Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[Scott Downey]

Yes, and what Jesus did on the Cross did not do away with sewed time and harvest causing us to reap what we sow,

If we turn away from the Lord (sow to the flesh) we shall of the flesh reap corruption according to Gal 6:7,8.... to say otherwise is to mock God according to Gal 6:7,8....


The Lord desires to have fellowship with those that are like Him, which excludes angels and all other created being as they were not created in His Image. Mankind is the only being God created in His Own Image. We are valued above ALL other creatures because God's intention in creating us is to be in fellowship with man on God's level!

Speaking of those that have been born again Ephesians 2:6 tells us God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus. In other words, He wants fellowship with beings who are like Himself... who CHOOSE to be with Him! Who CHOOSE to turn away from darkness in order to walk and live in agreement with the Lord.

This is the whole purpose for our existence! Not only to desire to be with the Lord... but to put our faith and desire in to action and turn away from darkness, from things that the Lord does not approve of so we can fellowship with Him in righteousness.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

When someone derides to sin, they are willingly turning away from the Lord, on purpose after having come to the age of accountability where they know the difference between right and wrong (not speaking of little children)

There is no darkness in God (1 John 1:5), and the Lord has no fellowship with darkness (2 Corinthians 6:14)... so those that sin are separated from the Lord by their willingness to turn away from Him and walk in darkness.

1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

The OSAS peoples have been fooled intro believing one can do sin and not be separated from the Lord! This is not taught in God's Word. I get it that nobody wants to talk about what happens to those that continue in sin... but it's better to talk about what God's Word says about it than to make up a fake gospel that says "you can never ever never never lose your salvation"

This means if one continues in sin they must say this person is still saved because if they don't they are acknowledging that OSAS is false doctrine which will make them look stupid so as a matter of pride and in the interest of never being seen as being in error... they have to say those that continue in sin as still; saved in their view.

This obviously is NOT what God's Word teaches... and the OSAS peoples wouldn't know that because they don't accept all the Lord has said in His Word about it. They can't, because if they did they would have to admit that OSAS is false doctrine and they will never ever never never do that.

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

One cannot obtain mercy after they have sinned without confessing their sin unto the Lord and turning away from their sin. The old timers called it "admit it and quit it" and then we should make no provisions for the flesh to continue in sin (Romans 13:14) by walking after the Spirit so we aren't fulfilling the desires of the flesh (Galatians 5:16-26)

What the OSAS peoples won't tell you because they don't accept the validity of this is... God is NOT mocked... whatsoever a man sows, that shall He also reap he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. (Galatians 6:7-8)

They'll agree that when one is born again they did sow to the spirit and reaped life... but then they deny and ignore the rest of Galatians 6:7-8 claiming if one sows to the flesh (sins) they do not rep corruption.

In Gal 6:8, the word corruption is...

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fthora from G5351; decay, i.e. ruin -- corruption, destroy, perish.

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strengthened from phthio (to pine or waste); properly, to shrivel or wither, i.e. to spoil or to ruin, by moral influences, to deprave): -- corrupt (self), defile, destroy.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God. So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

The OSAS peoples don't know that salvation is on God's terms and what Jesus did at the Cross of Calvary... does not eliminate or do away with seedtime and harvest. God is not mocked!

In Jesus' classic teaching on sowing and reaping, He said "Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?" (Mark 4:13)

God created man in His Image, therefore just like God... mankind reaps what he sows and is responsible for the seeds he plants. If man does good, he'll receive good... if he does evil, he'll receive evil.

Romans 2:9-11
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.

The answer to that is Ephesians 1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Redemption in Christ​

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He [a]made us accepted in the Beloved.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and [b]prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, [c]both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

 

[TinMan]

No such thing as transgender.

False claim

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works

Yes we were not saved by our good works... but the purpose of God creating man and then saving man.... is to walk in agreement with Him doing good works.

Doing evil (sin, walking after the flesh) is in fact willingly and knowingly turning away from the Lord... those that do such as no longer in right standing with the Lord and if they don't repent and get back in to right relationship with the Lord... they will go to hell if they die in that condition.

If one does not accept the whole counsel of God... they won't get this or understand it.


The Lord says the following thru the Apostle James:
James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Apparently one is justified by faith AND by works.... and the man that believes justification is by faith only is a "vain" man.

Sounds like either Jesus is wrong or the so called reformers are wrong since they teach an partial truth and leave the part out about works leaving the door open to sinful living (license to sin).

Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

It's not a matter of trying to earn salvation thru good works... It's a matter of being obedient verses being disobedient!

Those that accept the calling of the Lord and become new creatures in Christ Jesus abiding in Him doing good works by the power of the Holy Spirit within as the Lord leads... these are true children of God.

Those claiming to be saved not walking in obedience have rejected the ordination and calling of the Lord and are the children of disobedience who refuse to put on the new man and walk in newness of life to stop being servants of sin...

Colossians 3:5-9
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Romans 6:4-6
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

As these scripture references indicate, those not accepting the calling of the Lord to be led by the Holy Ghost into walking after the new man are in disobedience... which will NOT end well for them unless they repent of their sin and get with the Lord's game plan!

Romans 2:7-11
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.

Colossians 3:6
the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

 

[TinMan]

You are misreading and misconstruing my posts. Why is that? I never attacked anyone.

You attack LGBT people all the time and you attack anyone who doesn't share you prejudice.

I never degraded anyone.

If you posted what you say here about any other group it would be degrading at best.

Be adult enough to own your opinions

And I never made false claims about anyone.

you lied what you said there is no such thing as transgender

You are confused.

No I am honest. That may be confusing to you.

 

[TinMan]

Believe it or not, I took that into account and gave it it's due consideration.

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Based on months of interacting with you...I don't believe it

 

[TinMan]

You should educate yourself on the philosophy of science.

Philosophy of science is a branch of philosophy concerned with the foundations, methods, and implications of science. The central questions of this study concern what qualifies as science, the reliability of scientific theories, and the ultimate purpose of science as well as the use of science to enlighten and educate.

You should take your own advice as you pretty much reject all of this.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins

This does not mean all future sins are already automatically forgiven even before we do them which is commonly taught in error today.

Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God

When one turns away from the Lord and sins, they must forsake their sin and confess their sin to the Lord in order to be in right standing with the Lord once again according to His Word.

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not (as in stops living in sin!)

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

Again, those that do not accept the whole counsel; of God... are in error as they only accept a few happy verses that go along with their preconceived false OSAS doctrines which sadly causes many to continue living in sin.

 

[Scott Downey]

This does not mean all future sins are already automatically forgiven even before we do them which is commonly taught in error today.

Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God

When one turns away from the Lord and sins, they must forsake their sin and confess their sin to the Lord in order to be in right standing with the Lord once again according to His Word.

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not (as in stops living in sin!)

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

Again, those that do not accept the whole counsel; of God... are in error as they only accept a few happy verses that go along with their preconceived false OSAS doctrines which sadly causes many to continue living in sin.

you don't understand 'eternal salvation'
If it is as you are saying eternal life and eternal salvation don't exist, are not real.

John 10
22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in [d]doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, [e]as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

 

[Scott Downey]

The Father (God), gives to Christ all His believers. The man is not born of God according to their will, meaning it is not a decision a person can make.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

you don't understand 'eternal salvation'

Actually you don't understand all that God says about eternal salvation and how it's only applied to those that abide IN CHRIST.

Jesus is like Noah's Ark... as long as one abides in the Ark they are safe... but should they decide to go so some sin by umping overboard, they are no longer safe because they willingly and knowingly jump out of the Ark of safety which is Christ Jesus

John 15:1,2
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

John 15:5
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Mankind is called to abide in Christ after getting born again... failure to do so results in eternal destruction.

So, the smarts ones recognize what Jesus taught in John 15 and choose to abide IN Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

Our election by God is not decided by us. Our election was given to us before time began that we would be saved, and not anyone else would be saved. unless elected by God to be saved.
A few but not all verses on election. It is only by Grace of God for us and not determined by anything we do, good or bad.

1. Mark 13:22
   For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Mark 13:27
   And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
3. Luke 18:7
   And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them?
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
4. Romans 8:33
   Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It isGod who justifies.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
5. Romans 9:11
   (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
6. Romans 11:5
   Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
7. Romans 11:7
   What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

 

[St. SteVen]

Here's another one. A parent of a transgender child. Again, recognized at a very young age.
What will happen when this becomes the norm? How will the church respond? How will you respond?

Parenting a Gender Non-Conforming Child | Michele Yulo | TEDxUtica​

320,479 views Oct 11, 2017
I believe there are preconceived notions of how raising a child will go in terms of gender.
We prepare ourselves in completely different ways when we learn we are having a boy or a girl
and this is reinforced and policed from the second a child is born and beyond. But what happens
when your child does not adhere to the confines of gender boundaries defined by society?
How does that change how we view our children, ourselves, and the world around us?
Gender has become a hot topic in almost every area of society--creating Princess Free Zone
(a brand, website, blog) allowed me to be a voice in the positive change that has taken place
over the last eight years. More importantly, though, I have a very personal stake in the
dialogue because my daughter, by age three, rejected all things considered "girly."
It was through her that I found my calling. My talk would address my personal journey
as a parent and the need for openness when raising our children in terms of how to nurture
their exploration of identity versus hindering it. Michele Yulo is the founder and president
of Princess Free Zone, Inc. and creator of SUIT HER, a potential line of suits for girls.
It was Michele’s daughter, Gabi, who would provide the crucial spark of inspiration.
Gabi was never into princess or pink; instead, she loved super heroes and bright,
bold colors! Finding nothing for her in girls’ departments, Michele realized that girls
like Gabi were being completely ignored by big companies that seemed to only see girls
through a very narrow lens that limits their self-expression as well as the world around them.
Michele decided do something about it and in 2009 started her journey with PFZ and helping
to break down the gender stereotypes that are harmful to all children.

/

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Father (God), gives to Christ all His believers. The man is not born of God according to their will, meaning it is not a decision a person can make.

AFTER having been born again.... man has free will so he must decide daily whether he is going to walk with the Lord or not.

Our election by God is not decided by us.

That's nonsense by that unrepentant murderer John Calvin who go it from the pagan monk Augustine!

Typically referred to as limited atonement... it's not biblical and is in fact false doctrine!

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Scott Downey]

Actually you don't understand all that God says about eternal salvation and how it's only applied to those that abide IN CHRIST.

Jesus is like Noah's Ark... as long as one abides in the Ark they are safe... but should they decide to go so some sin by umping overboard, they are no longer safe because they willingly and knowingly jump out of the Ark of safety which is Christ Jesus

John 15:1,2
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

John 15:5
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Mankind is called to abide in Christ after getting born again... failure to do so results in eternal destruction.

So, the smarts ones recognize what Jesus taught in John 15 and choose to abide IN Christ.

There is a principle you are missing though, so you are misapplying those verses, in how things actually work out in the end.
Those verses are true BUT are applied to the saved and the never saved alike, don't forget that Christ is the creator of all men, all spirits come from God and are born into this life. Only the ones who do remain with God are saved. God makes us conform to His purpose and will. it is the only reason we are saved.

Philippians 1
27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel, 28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but [f]to you of salvation, and that from God. 29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, 30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.


Philippians 3:21
who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

 

[Scott Downey]

AFTER having been born again.... man has free will so he must decide daily whether he is going to walk with the Lord or not.



That's nonsense by that unrepentant murderer John Calvin who go it from the pagan monk Augustine!

Typically referred to as limited atonement... it's not biblical and is in fact false doctrine!

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Another principle you are missing, and refuse to believe it seems to me, even so clearly spoken by Christ.

1. John 6:37
   All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and theone who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. John 6:39
   This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
3. John 6:54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day

 

[St. SteVen]

Our election by God is not decided by us. Our election was given to us before time began that we would be saved, and not anyone else would be saved. unless elected by God to be saved.
A few but not all verses on election. It is only by Grace of God for us and not determined by anything we do, good or bad.

Election is such a strange concept. You posted seven scriptures, so it should certainly be taken seriously.
Not a random doctrine based on one obscure verse.

Here's the problem I am having with it. If our eternal destiny is determined by predestination,
there is an ugly flip side to it. Anyone that was not predestined (elected) to life, was by default,
predestined to destruction. How fortunate for those that God chose to live, And how unfortunate
for those God ALSO chose to die (or worse) by no choice of their own.

No one can come to God unless he draws them, correct? It's not by our choice.

/

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Another principle you are missing, and refuse to believe it seems to me, even so clearly spoken by Christ.

So what Jesus taught in John 15 is now cancelled out?

If so, do you believe Jesus was lying in John 15?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Anyone that was not predestined (elected) to life, was by default,
predestined to destruction.

This is the monster that the false god of calvinism teaches... long before anybody ever was born or even committed any sin... God decided that some people would spend eternity in hell for no good reason at all.

The calvinists think satan.... is God because this doctrine came from satan.

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

 

[Scott Downey]

God does not grant all people to know Christ. It is why some people left Christ as they were not granted by God to know Christ and be saved. As you can read the explanation is clearly stated.

John 6
52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is [k]food indeed, and My blood is [l]drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.

Many Disciples Turn Away​

60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a [m]hard saying; who can understand it?”

61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples [n]complained about this, He said to them, “Does this [o]offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

66 From that time many of His disciples went [p]back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God does not grant all people to know Christ.

Only those that suffer from acute Cherry Pickers Syndrome.... believe that.

Here's a list of scriptures that prove what you said to be wrong:

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

*God choose EVERYONE... not just some... to be able to get Saved because he had foreknowledge of all that would be born.... see scriptures below that verify this! Sadly, not many choose to come to him...

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.