Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[TinMan]

Do you honestly not know what they do to each other? I'm not going to spell it out for you here on a Christian message board.

I am sure you don't know just like you don't know what goes on in anyone else's home.

 

[TinMan]

Found this while doing research on the subject.

132,401 views Jan 17, 2017
After engaging in a series of enlightening conversations and presentations on the intricacies of gender identity, pastor Mark Wingfield felt a calling. In this talk Mark recounts his journey of becoming one of the transgender communities' most unlikely spokespersons, and the human connections that resulted from his willingness to listen. Mark Wingfield was a journalist for 21 years before becoming a pastor, he now serves as an associate pastor of Wilshire Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas. He is active in the nonprofit service sector, having helped launch four nonprofits and currently serving on the boards of three. Mark is a regular columnist for BaptistNews.com, where his two posts on understanding transgender identity went viral and sparked a national conversation.

/ @TinMan

its amazing what happens when someone is willing to listen.

 

[TinMan]

Anyone who has not the Spirit doesn't belong to the congregation of the saints, sorry. That is what the bible teaches. There are nominal Christians and there are true Christians who have had an encounter with the risen Lord Jesus and received His Spirit within. There are many Christians in name only sitting in churches, but they do not belong to Christ. It's to be hoped that some of them will be born again at some point, but it is like the scriptures say, only a remnant will be saved. Scripture says: "Seek the Lord while He may be found"; "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?" And "except you be born again you cannot enter the kingdom of God". And how will they be be born again if those churches are no longer teaching and preaching the gospel, but feelings and philosophies of man? People can only be saved through the gospel, which teaches and helps us to go and sin no more.

and you don't get to decide who does and who does not qualify as a "true Christian".

 

[BarneyFife]

Here's the REAL question that needs to be asked:

Homophobia: Wrong or Right?​

Who are the lepers (outcasts) that Jesus sends us to minister healing to?

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Sounds like a good title for a thread.

To be fair, this one is about the ethical/moral value of homosexuality.

Extreme views are bound to emerge.

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[TinMan]

The problem with what is called homophobia is often they are accusing the wrong ones of being homophobic .
So allow me some parting words. I aint the one so totally scared to death of them
that i go along with their agenda and accept their sin as good . its the ones who are so afraid of this world
and of its agenda that FEAR them . Thus they readily embrace this other path which accepts the sin and calls it good .
THERE IS YOUR HOMOPHOBE . THE ONE who actually corrects their sin , AINT THE ONE FEARING THEM .
SO lets use this word properly .
PS , pray to GOD for utterance so that one may speak as they ought to speak and not rather fear men and an agenda .
Its sin and as with any sin it must be corrected , specially within them churches .
Fear not , do not be homophobic and fear them . THEY NEED to hear the truth so in hopes they will repent of their sin
DO not be homophobic .

Homophobia - an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. It includes antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and hatred of homosexuals

You more than qualify as a homophobic

 

[TinMan]

We live in a broken world. Sometimes parents can even be too loving and supportive and that also is dysfunctional in its own way as much as abusive and rejection parenting. And sometimes people veer off into sin because they picked up an evil spirit along the way and believed it. The way Eve did, while living in paradise. All the more so in a society that is becoming increasingly dark.....demons are like bacteria, they are all over the place and without the disinfecting effect of the light of the gospel they are running more rampant and infecting more people sadly. Devil is the father of LIES. God is not a man that He should lie...His word is TRUTH and His word teaches clearly that homosexuality is sinful. Believe your sin or believe God, it's up to you and you will either reap eternal life or death accordingly.

Your non answer to the question indicates that you have some strange and bluntly put sick and hateful ideas about LGBT individuals. Maybe you should examine those.

 

[TinMan]

You already know. You just don't want to admit it because your narrative is one that no one here agrees with. Sinners do evil against sinners.

You want a lie accepted, that homosexuality is not evil of the highest order.

All I know is that you have accused an 8 year old child of evil but are not honest enough to actually say what that evil is. Your non response seems to indicate that you think this child deserved to be horribly tortured and murdered by his parents

 

[Behold]

Who said it had to be?

God

 

[Behold]

And what does "illuminated" mean..? and "sanctified"...

Notice that no one is born again, in your verses other than the Apostle.

So, you can be illuminated, you can be sanctified and you can taste the heavenly gift and you can be water baptized..

And still go to Hell.
Thousands did today.

Jesus said, "you MUST be born again", and if you refuse this, by remaining a Christ rejector.... t after you have been shown the Gospel illumination and all the rest, and you, as those Christ Rejecting Hebrews still refuse.. to BELIEVE....

= Then you are "crucifying Christ afresh"... You are "trodding underfoot the blood of the Covenant".

You are doing what "their Father's did"....which is REJECT MESSIAH, and when you do that, you have rejected the only sacrifice for your sin., and there remains no more.

 

[TinMan]

God

Bull


A minority is a culturally, ethnically, religious or racially distinct group that has a shared sense of collective identity and community that coexists with but is subordinate to a more dominant group with socially shared rules about who belongs and who does not.

You choice to hate certain groups of people does not change their minority status

 

[Behold]

Bull

God isn't "bull", but, you dont understand that yet.

See, It's God's perspective that is all that matters.
And God rejects Homosexuality, completely.
That will never change.

 

[TinMan]

God isn't "bull", but, you dont understand that yet.

I didn't say God was is said your claims were.

See, It's God's perspective that is all that matters.
And God rejects Homosexuality, completely.
That will never change.

And that doesn't make lies about LGBT people true

 

[Behold]

That's false doctrine! You are conflicted claiming Paul learned from Jesus and then saying Paul has his own special gospel that Jesus did not teach.

There are not 2 different gospels...

Here is what Paul said.

He said that Jesus gave Him the Revelation of the "Gospel of the Grace of God".

Paul calls this Gospel..."MY Gospel", 3x in the NT.

Now, when the Trib starts, this means the "time of the Gentiles has ended", and so does the Gospel that was given to the "Apostle To the Gentiles".

 

[amigo de christo]

Homophobia - an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. It includes antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and hatred of homosexuals

You more than qualify as a homophobic

Flint . diamond . these words will have zero impact on how i approach the dire need for folks to repent of ANY sin .
THIS SIN TOO . its reprobation of minds .
So if you want to slap that title on me , do so. Do try and remember for years even churches have called me far worse .
I mean imagine being called satan or son of satan or anti christ . Their words could not cease the truth from my lips
your words shall not cease the truth from my lips . You will pay a dear and heavy price on the day of the LORD .
Mark those words well . FOr if you repent not you will wail and wail on the day of the LORD .
JESUS is not the ministir of sin or ANY SIN . You bess open that bible and get busy learning .

 

[Behold]

And that doesn't make lies about LGBT people true

Are you telling Lies about LGBT people?

Ive not said anything about LGBT.

I simply showed you again that Homosexual sex is what defines "homosexuality".
And this unnatural sex, can't produce a baby.

See, the #1 reason God created sex, was to continue the human race., as well as other "species".
So, same gender sexuality, (homosexual sex) can't ever do that, which defines that it is against God's #1 reason for sex to exist.

So, even if you put away the BIBLE that defines the morality issue, you still have to see the biological truth.

And sure, people who are not honest, will say.>"well, what about 2 hetero couples that can't have children"..

So, please just save that argument for LGBT's, as it'll fly there, but, when you are talking to honest people who understand a few things, then that argument is a crash and burn.

 

[amigo de christo]

OH in case Tin man is wondering why i said FLINT or DIAMOND . PRAISE BE to GOD that is my forehead .
Their words shall not cease these lips from speaking truth . PERI and OD . Churches
wake up . The dark inclusive rainbow false love and many path to GOD LIE will swallow you up whole
IF you let it . Its end is the lake of fire . And due to my desire is good for all
I will continue to exhort , remind , warn and do all to correct any sin , any error and point to TRUTH alone .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, it's different in how to approach lost souls, as opposed to those who are within the church. Totally agree.

Yet its always TRUTH we must speak . For if truth is not our words then we lie and do not the truth .
In other words if a gay cometh up to you and says HEY does GOD approve of same sex marriage
WE cannot then say OH SURE HE DOES to try and win them to CHRIST .
IF anyone ever asks us ANYTHING , our words had better be TRUTH . AS i am QUITE SURE you do AGREE .

 

[Behold]

Paul does not teach differently than Jesus...

Of course Paul taught differently than Jesus, regarding the Gospel, as Jesus came to the Jews, and Paul was sent to the Gentiles.

For one thing, there is no WATER Baptism, in Paul's Gospel.
There is not "taking communion" in Paul's Gospel.

So, Paul's Gospel, is the "preaching of the Cross', and that Gospel of God's Grace, wont be found in the Trib.

Read if for yourself..

Read what the 144,00 JEWS are doing in the Trib, and notice that there is no Gentile Preacher(s), doing any preaching in the Trib or Grt Trib.

See, the "Gospel of the Grace of God "is specific to the "Time of the Gentiles" as it was given to the "Apostle to the Gentiles", which is what we are supposed to be preaching, an nothing else.

PETER didn't even have this gospel in Acts 2.

 

[amigo de christo]

Are you telling Lies about LGBT people?

Ive not said anything about LGBT.

I simply showed you again that Homosexual sex is what defines "homosexuality".
And this unnatural sex, can't produce a baby.

See, the #1 reason God created sex, was to continue the human race., as well as other "species".
So, same gender sexuality, (homosexual sex) can't ever do that, which defines that it is against God's #1 reason for sex to exist.

So, even if you put away the BIBLE that defines the morality issue, you still have to see the biological truth.

And sure, people who are not honest, will say.>"well, what about 2 hetero couples that can't have children"..

So, please just save that argument for LGBT's, as it'll fly there, but, when you are talking to honest people who understand a few things, then that argument is a crash and burn.

If our desire is good for humanity , then our words must be truth .
You do realize why this movment has so easily influenced and infected so many churches .
CAUSE EVERYONE under the guise of seeker friendly was so busy trying to not offend anything
CEPT GOD OF COURSE cause apparantely what HE SAYS dont seem to matter IF IT might even dare offend and offender .
IF we do NOT stand now and contend for the truth , following and heeding the orginal GOD INSPIRED
pattern JESUS taught and later the aposetls taught , LEAVEN WINS and TAKES OVER THE PLACE .
So my simply advice is we get back into reading HOW CHRIST said to deal with it and how the aposetls said to deal with it and all things .
INcluding having to put those who wont repent of sin and support sin OUT OF THE CHURCH . IF we do not follow
THEIR PATTERN , the place and peoples who do that WILL WATCH LEAVEN TAKE OVER .
But you dont just have to take my word for it . Read what the apostels said concering sin and error WITHIN THE CHURCH
and HOW TO DEAL WITH IT TOO .

 

[Behold]

The Gospel of the Kingdom is the teaching that we turn away from sin and get born again and are translated from darkness into the Kingdom of God's Dear Son

The KOG is God and Christ. Its a spiritual kingdom that we are "born again" into...

This is why all the born again are "in Christ" and "one with God"... "seated in heavenly places".

However, we are NOT, accepted by God because we "turn away from sin"..as you falsely teach @Big Boy Johnson

We are accepted by God because we give God our FAITH in Christ....and "Faith is counted as Righteousness".

= Justification by faith.