Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[Behold]

This isn't true and again if you were saying this about anyone else it would rightly be called bigotry.

Unnatural "same gender" sex, ... this lifestyle, is what defines a "HOMO-sexual".

This is not a "ethnic" group. Its a unnatural sexuality, being committed as a Sexual lifestyle.

its not "bigotry" that defines "gay sex" as unnatural.

Its nature itself.

See, the 1st Law of Nature, is... "replenish the species".. and Gay SEX cannot replenish the species., because its 'unnatural".

 

[Lizbeth]

You can't "fall away" from being "Born again".

Heb 10:24-32

And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

For if we (keep on sinning) sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

 

[Wrangler]

Still waiting to find out just what evil 8 year old Gariel did

What age do you suppose sinning begins?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

And you think personal attacks against the ‘disgraced’ researcher invalidates the legitimate work by him and others.

Just a question for you; IF there was science out there showing how the homosexual life style was harmful, would you stop advocating for it on those grounds?

Proverbs 17:15
15 He that JUSTIFIETH THE WICKED, and he that CONDEMNETH THE JUST, even they both are ABOMINATION abomination to the Lord.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

anyone who cometh in the name of CHRIST and yet cometh to decieve , THEY THE ONES WITH THE GREATER SIN .
****EDITED***
Lets get dug deep in that bible my dear friend .

AMEN!

 

[Behold]

For if we (keep on sinning) sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

To receive the knowledge of the truth, does not always.... mean you are born again., as those Christ rejecting Hebrews in your verse have it, and they rejected it.

So, It can mean that you only have come to the knowledge... as they did, in that Verse.

The "truth", is that Jesus is "the only Way to the Father".... as this is the Gospel. = John 14:6

So, that TRUTH< is "knowledge".. that is given when I preach the Gospel, or when anyone does.

We preach "Christ Crucified", as this is the "knowledge of the Truth".. = we bring the Hearer this knowledge, we bring them to it by giving them the GOSPEL.

So, THEN.....the hearer, has to decide....... = believe it, or not..

If they decided "not",... then "there remaineth no more sacrifice for their sin""", as they just REJECTED the ONLY Sacrifice for their sin... who is "Christ Crucified", 'and there is NONE OTHER., so, Jesus says to them "you will die in your SINS" because you have rejected ME, who is "the TRUTH, and the only WAY, to the Father".

That is what those Christ rejecting Hebrews are doing, in HEBREWS 6:4 and HEBREWS 10:26 and ACTS 28:28

If, however, they had receive the "knowledge of the Truth" by FAITH...... and BELIEVED...

= Then their "Faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness, and God forgives their sins., and gives them (any Believer) the "new Birth".

However these Christ Rejecting HEBREWS, did not believe.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Unbelievers have sin.

Christians have Salvation.

Salvation, means, that the born again believer is eternally joined to God, "in Christ".

There is no sin found there.

So... WHY are so many "Christians" going around living in sin then???

They are ignorant of God's Word is why... and they have turned away from Him

 

[Behold]

So... WHY are so many "Christians" going around living in sin then???

I dont know any of those., who are "living in it"..
If they are "living in it", i'd question their Salvation.

The only people i deal with who are "living in sin" are unbelievers.

So, @Big Boy Johnson

= I think you are making a generalized statement, that is posted for "effect", vs, actual reality.

See, when you say "living in sin"... that is a very strict misinterpretation of a devoutly backslidden Christian.
So,, you know a lot of those?
I dont.

I know a lot of born again people who are deceived by a cult, regarding their theology, but, they are not living in deep carnality, they are just "fallen from Grace".. and their faith in Christ is broken, so, that is why they believe they can lose their salvation.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I think you are making a generalized statement, that is posted for "effect", vs, actual reality.

No, actually I see numerous scriptures in God's Word telling us that in the end times many will fall away from the faith and follow doctrines of demons and there will be many false teachers / false doctrines, and there are tares among the wheat, etc.

Those teaching and believing false doctrine... are living in sin because God's Word teaches that false doctrine is one of the works of the flesh (heresy) which is right up there with drunkenness, fornication, lying, murder, etc, etc.

 

[Behold]

No, actually I see numerous scriptures in God's Word telling us that in the end times many will fall away from the faith

That falling away... has been going on, for 200O yrs.

See, the Devil and His Doctrines, didn't just start with the "cult of Mary .. followed by John Calvinism.. and some of the others...that are related to trying to keep yourself saved.

Listen,
Satan's doctrine was always to twist the Truth, starting with saying to Eve..."hath God said"..

And When Paul was here, you have people yelling... in Paul's face.... accusing him of "teaching us to sin, so that Grace will come".

See that? Today that is taught by this bumper sticker..."OSAS" .. and this one.."License to sin"..

This Grace rejecting Cult that obsesses on "OSAS" and obsesses on "losing salvation", has been around nearly as long as the Cross of Christ.

Nothing new.

And the Apostasy, the falling away, is what we see now in these later end times,... which is the loss of the understanding of "the Gospel of the Grace of God" which is what has been "fallen away" from., just before the world hits the Trib.
And if you've seen Israel in the news, then READER< get your faith right, and look up, as your Savior is about to come and get you.

So...
This loss of the Gospel of the Grace of God, has been about 150 yrs, in process, and now, the "preaching of the Cross", is basically gone.

What you find now, what you hear now, is.... "the gospel of water and works" and the Gospel of "self saving". .. which is Galatians 1:8

 

[Behold]

false doctrine is one of the works of the flesh (heresy) which is right up there with drunkenness, fornication, lying, murder, etc, etc.

So, you need to use Galatians 1:8, when you are trying to explain your concepts, along with 1 Timothy 4, that deal with paying attention to doctrine.

And its from Paul, that the Church, learns "doctrine".

And here is the thing...
If you know it is sin, then its sin, regarding a sinner.
If you dont know, then that's different... so, it can be that a person is teaching false doctrine, and this is because they are deceived.
They BELIEVE its true, because people they TRUST, told them, and taught them, the lies that they now teach as their false truth.

So, when you are deceived, you dont know it.., and that is a different situation then knowing you are lying.

 

[BarneyFife]

Lol - the derailment is quickly reaching critical mass.

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[BarneyFife]

There are always several perseverance threads up and running, folks.

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[Big Boy Johnson]

And its from Paul, that the Church, learns "doctrine"

No, according to Paul... our doctrine comes from Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Jesus continued His teaching ministry thru all of the Apostles that He used to wrote the New Testament and it is the doctrine of Christ, aka doctrine of the Apostles, aka law of liberty

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it

Jesus taught the Gospel of the Kingdom

Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Then He instructed the Apostles to go in to all the world and teach the things He taught them... Paul was in agreement with this because he was not a false apostle

We live in the age of grace... but the gospel is the Gospel of the Kingdom.

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Hebrews 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Acts 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

No, according to Paul... our doctrine comes from Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Jesus continued His teaching ministry thru all of the Apostles that He used to wrote the New Testament and it is the doctrine of Christ, aka doctrine of the Apostles, aka law of liberty

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it

Jesus taught the Gospel of the Kingdom

Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Then He instructed the Apostles to go in to all the world and teach the things He taught them... Paul was in agreement with this because he was not a false apostle

We live in the age of grace... but the gospel is the Gospel of the Kingdom.

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Hebrews 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Acts 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Amen,
Christ Gospel, which Paul preached.
Paul had NOT his own gospel for he SAVED NO ONE!

Romans 1. ( Paul said)
16 For I am not ashamed of the GOSPEL OF CHRIST: for IT is the POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION to every one that BELIEVERH; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. [17] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Christ Gospel, which Paul preached.
Paul had NOT his own gospel for he SAVED NO ONE!

Yep, so discount ALL of what Jesus said claiming He taught law to the Jews only and we should ignore the teachings of Jesus and only listen to Paul and they twist his writing to their own destruction

2 Peter 3:15,16
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[Behold]

No, according to Paul... our doctrine comes from Jesus Christ.

Actually Paul said that His Gospel, and the doctrine that he taught, came from Christ.
He learned it from "no man", "but from the Revelation, of Jesus Himself".

So, from PAUL, we learn, doctrine for the church., as it came from Jesus, to Paul., who was a "chosen vessel" to be that very teacher.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it

Jesus taught the Gospel of the Kingdom

First of all, notice that Jesus said that... people are pressing into .....

Yet, no one can enter into God's Salvation, that is to be "translated from Darkness to Light"... until AFTER Jesus has died on the Cross.
Take note that in Luke 16, Jesus has not died yet on the Cross, and the Holy Spirit is not given yet at Pentecost, as its there that 3000 Jews, became the "temple of the Holy Spirit". = entering into the Kingdom of God.
Now, it can be that some of the Jews brought students, and those could be a Greek.

Be careful to notice that Jesus was not Crucified until Luke 23, and Paul didnt arrive until about Acts 9, that is about a decade after Jesus went back to Heaven.
So, Paul's Gospel, was not even around, in Luke 16,.... and Paul's Gospel is the doctrine for the body of Christ that is "the Preaching of the Cross., that brought the BELIEVER = into SALVATiON.

See, you can't tell people about Jesus as sin bearer, in Luke 16, as He has not died for their sins, yet, On The Cross.

Your verse says that the Kingdom of God is preached, and you changed that into the "Gospel of the Kingdom", because that is what you've been misled to believe, ither by a cult, a really bad teacher, or by some commentaries.
Perhaps all 3.

Paul is given and then teaches and preaches "the Gospel of the Grace of God" (Long after Luke 16)...., and that Gospel, allows the hearer to trust in Christ, and enter the Kingdom of God,... as proven by the born again believer, becoming the "temple of the Holy Spirit".
So, noone was Born again, in Luke 16, and noone had become the "temple of the Holy Spirit", in Luke 16.

The Gospel of the Kingdom, is what you find being preached in The Trib.

Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Yes, that is discipleship. Not Salvation.

Salvation is not based on keeping commands, or statues, or law........its based on the CROSS OF CHRIST, being preached as "The Gospel of The Grace of God".

 

[TinMan]

Not by true Christians I'm sure. Maybe by some who call themselves Christians, but are not. Violence is not the answer, the gospel is. (For those who are willing, at least. For those who are not, the Lord will judge in the end.)

you don't get disown part of the congregation. If you don't like what they are doing address the problem not wave it away.

 

[TinMan]

Going by the parents' horrendous abusiveness, it's a safe bet this must have been a family with serious problems to start with and that is probably the reason, sadly, why their son was beginning to exhibit those signs of what I call maladaptive coping.

You think gay people don't come from happy loving supportive families?

 

[TinMan]

Unnatural "same gender" sex, ... this lifestyle, is what defines a "HOMO-sexual".

What "lifestyle" did 8 year old Gabriel have?

This is not a "ethnic" group.

Who said it had to be?

Its a unnatural sexuality, being committed as a Sexual lifestyle.

So what are gay virgins?

its not "bigotry" that defines "gay sex" as unnatural.

Its nature itself.

No, bigotry tries to redefine it as unnatural

See, the 1st Law of Nature, is... "replenish the species".. and Gay SEX cannot replenish the species., because its 'unnatural".

For a huge number of species on the planet the majority of the individual don't ever reproduce.

Do you hate the infertile? what about the celibate?