Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[CadyandZoe]

Not every Christian is fundamentalist or inerrantist.

If you believe the Bible has errors, you don't understand it. I guarantee it. But you will never know until you test it. And I guarantee that you have never tested it.

 

[BarneyFife]

I've already said I'm not convinced that it is wrong or a sin #771. But even if it is, it's no worse than the sin you or I still commit, which is what I have been saying. I haven't taken us off topic. We're still squarely situated in this issue.

I remember you saying that. Odd how folks are demanded to restate their positions over and over again.

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[BarneyFife]

And I guarantee that you have never tested it.

I'll never understand what makes people say things like this.

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[BarneyFife]

It's too bad to hear you are still living in sin and have not put off the old man and put on the new man as God's Word instructs Christians to do.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

2 Corinthians 5:17
if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Those that have been born again and are walking after the Spirit not the flesh, should not be doing sinful things and therefore should not be referring to themselves as sinners which are those that willingly and knowingly sin even when fully aware what they are doing is sin and they chose to do it anyway.

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[amigo de christo]

The Bible is not without error? How do you decide what parts are true and what parts are false? You reject the parts you don't like?

Did you know that Jesus said 'the scriptures cannot be broken?" If Jesus is your lord and you believe his word, then you should believe that the Bible is without error. Peter referred to the writings of Paul as scripture.

That is exactly why folks love to beleive the bible does have error . So they can , can pick and choose .
the lambs embrace EVERY WORD . to the trenches my friend .

 

[CadyandZoe]

I'll never understand what makes people say things like this.

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Experience and sound reason.

 

[CadyandZoe]

That is exactly why folks love to beleive the bible does have error . So they can , can pick and choose .
the lambs embrace EVERY WORD . to the trenches my friend .

Undoubtedly.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I'll never understand what makes people say things like this.

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I can explain it if you like. Have you done much exegesis?

 

[amigo de christo]

Not every Christian is fundamentalist or inerrantist.

the scary thing is even most of those who claim to BE CHRISTIAN are not christain . BESS GET in the bible my friend
and make sure just what JESUS we been a following . Hint , if ya jesus wont correct sin and error
but rather embraces sins , IT AINT JESUS . Its a sham of the dark one who is simply
feeding the flesh its lustful desires . BIBLE TIME . Test all men and all voices , even a speaking donkey , against
THE BIBLICAL TRUTH . IF it contradicts , IT BE FOUND A LIAR . LET GOD BE TRUE . embrace HIS WORDS , THE TRUTH .

 

[CadyandZoe]

the scary thing is even most of those who claim to BE CHRISTIAN are not christain . BESS GET in the bible my friend
and make sure just what JESUS we been a following . Hint , if ya jesus wont correct sin and error
but rather embraces sins , IT AINT JESUS . Its a sham of the dark one who is simply
feeding the flesh its lustful desires . BIBLE TIME . Test all men and all voices , even a speaking donkey , against
THE BIBLICAL TRUTH . IF it contradicts , IT BE FOUND A LIAR . LET GOD BE TRUE . embrace HIS WORDS , THE TRUTH .

I realized something today that never occurred to me before. The UR crowd has no fear of God, which might explain their attitude toward the sin of homosexuality, and perhaps all sin in general. They don't fear God, they fear me, or people like me. The UR crowd is more concerned with what man might do to a homosexual than what God might do to a homosexual.

What you said about those who claim to be Christians is especially manifest among those who don't fear God. Jesus himself said this about the Pharisees.

John 5:43-45

43 I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44 How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope.​

Jesus asks them, "How can you believe?" We might say, "How can you who claim to be a Christian seek the approval of other men rather than seeking the glory of God?"

 

[Lizbeth]

You say "they were not attracted", but then you fail to say "they liked each other".

Are you going to police all the people of the world, whether their love is pure enough?

No! The problem is that you basically say "defiled homosexual love is wrong" but then you don't say "undefiled homosexual love is right".

Whose business is it, whether a man has pure love or not?

Only the first page and I can't believe the equivocating that is going on. Anyone who knows the Lord, who has His Spirit and believes the word of God knows that it is sin for a man to lie with a man as a man lies with a woman and also that even to lust in one's heart is sin. Lust is not love. It's of the devil plain and simple. There is no such thing as "undefiled homosexual love"....if it's homosexual, it's defiled, or even if it's heterosexual so-called love for someone other than your spouse, it's defiled. Trying to have our cake and eat it too will not wash. The word of God says we can't eat the table of demons and the table of the Lord at the same time....can't serve two masters....can't halt between two opinions.

The question is not about policing or judging, it's about determining what is sin. It's not our job to judge the lost (but God is already judging and will judge in the end). However if any are claiming Christ they better learn the difference between what is sin and what isn't, or expect to reap consequences from His hand. Paul instructed that we ARE to "judge" those inside, whether they are sinning or speaking what goes against the truth, but not to judge those outside.

We are not to live and be guided by fickle and highly deceptive human emotions and human sympathies (spirit of the world) but by the word of God and HIS Spirit.

 

[Lizbeth]

We are dealing with the element of function and disfunction. Engaging in homosexuality is a disfunction; it is a distortion of the intent of human sexuality as is pedophilia and bestiality.

That is to ignore what is going on spiritually. Sin is of the devil and demons, it is evil. It's not mere dysfunction, though circumstances of life can predispose and tempt one in wrong directions for sure. But everyone is accountable for how they responded to circumstances....God held Adam and Eve accountable for what they did, even though the devil was involved. The only way out of sin is to hold oneself accountable and acknowledge our SIN before the Lord....not claim mere dysfunctionality, though sin certainly can be said to be dysfunctional. The word of God says that if we confess our sins, God will be faithful and just to forgive and cleanse us, and also that if we judge ourselves we will not be judged with the world.

 

[Lizbeth]

Because of the faith Jesus had to his father, his payment for sin was accepted for all people. The heart of an individual may pray to Yahava every day though they may make their own decisions, you’ll never know that relationship that they have.

Except that anyone involved in sin defiles and harms their relationship with the Lord......just like being in adultery harms the marriage relationship with one's spouse......to the point where if the Spirit of God is grieved enough He may depart and the person will be disqualified from inheriting eternal life. A husband may forgive a wife is she wanders once, but if she makes a lifestyle out of it, she is the one disannulling the marriage relationship with her husband essentially and the husband is not likely to stick around under such circumstances, nor would he be obligated to.

 

[Lizbeth]

I think you are using the wrong opposition.

It should be "homosexuality: pure or defiled?"

The idea is that if a couple remains pure, then they resist the Devil's temptation to defile each other.

(Remember that David loved Jonathan).

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that David was lusting after Jonathan, wow...I would be very careful of making insinuations against the saints of God who He approved if I were you.

If a homosexual "couple" are lusting in their hearts even without acting on it, it is still as if they were acting on it. There is no such thing as pure undefiled lust. Remember Jesus saying that if a man looks at a woman to lust after her, they have committed adultery with her. Lust needs to be put to death, not entertained, whether it's homosexual or hetero. And you don't put it to death by hanging around or setting up house together, yikes.

 

[Lizbeth]

Not every Christian is fundamentalist or inerrantist.

Not everyone who calls themself a Christian really is a Christian, either.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Some ppl @Lizbeth have a warped version of the word of God.
Now whether that is through a corrupt translation, a twisted denominal doctrine or just plain opposition to God; only he truly knows!

Too few that claim to be true believers, take time to study the word in the light of the Holy Spirit, or else they like being spoon fed the devil's porridge!

 

[Lizbeth]

Some ppl @Lizbeth have a warped version of the word of God.
Now whether that is through a corrupt translation, a twisted denominal doctrine or just plain opposition to God; only he truly knows!

Too few that claim to be true believers, take time to study the word in the light of the Holy Spirit, or else they like being spoon fed the devil's porridge!

Amen. And I wonder if in many cases some are not willing to give up their sin, so they try to find loopholes in the word of God that allows them to be saved and keep their sins at the same time. When they need to take God's side against their sin if they are to have any hope of being saved from it.

The pleasures of this life are so short....and eternity is a very very long long time. Not worth it to enjoy pleasures of sin in this short little life, of any kind, only to end up losing one's own soul when this life is over.

 

[amigo de christo]

That is to ignore what is going on spiritually. Sin is of the devil and demons, it is evil. It's not mere dysfunction, though circumstances of life can predispose and tempt one in wrong directions for sure. But everyone is accountable for how they responded to circumstances....God held Adam and Eve accountable for what they did, even though the devil was involved. The only way out of sin is to hold oneself accountable and acknowledge our SIN before the Lord....not claim mere dysfunctionality, though sin certainly can be said to be dysfunctional. The word of God says that if we confess our sins, God will be faithful and just to forgive and cleanse us, and also that if we judge ourselves we will not be judged with the world.

Yes indeed dear sister .
A good example indeed . The serpent beguiled eve and she did eat and adam took of the hand of his wife and he did eat .
Eve tried to blame the serpent . Now we see GOD did punish the serpent , but EVE too .
Adam tried to blame his wife and yet He too was punished .
Eve had chosen to trust and believe in the serpent over what GOD had said . GOD had said in the day ye eat
thereof ye shall surely die and the serpent had assured eve this would not occur .
Adam had chosen his wife over God . Death did happen and death came upon all ever since .
Yet today many seem to be doing the same thing . Has GOD really said
and then they choose to trust in men and society and omit what God has said . IT was said and written
and recorded that man will not lie with man , yet due to changes within society
due to the lie of the serpent who has given men the lustful desire of his heart
even the church goes with the flow of the ever changing tides . IT WONT BODE WELL .
And they too go with the flow of , DID GOD really say YE must believe in Christ
nay nay sayeth the serpent and its ever changing men , YE shall not die they say , for God is love and the road is broad .
BUT I TELL US ALL THEY SURELY WILL DIE . The serpent is A LIAR and desires DEATH FOR ALL
though he comes in under the cloak of love and delusion .

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Amen. And I wonder if in many cases some are not willing to give up their sin, so they try to find loopholes in the word of God that allows them to be saved and keep their sins at the same time. When they need to take God's side against their sin if they are to have any hope of being saved from it.

The pleasures of this life are so short....and eternity is a very very long long time. Not worth it to enjoy pleasures of sin in this short little life, of any kind, only to end up losing one's own soul when this life is over.

Amen.
Mark 8:36
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

We know there are those here that do not believe God's word, but think they can outsmart what he says about sins that separates from
God !

 

[Chadrho]

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Not everyone who calls themself a Christian really is a Christian, either.

Is there any call for that? The thread poses the question. In honesty, I've said I'm not sure. Now, by way of backhanded implication, you imply I'm not a Christian when I am. Thanks for being gracious. I'll be sure to check myself when it comes to trusting fellow Christians.