Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[Taken]

Instead of replying to troller TinMan, I suggest "Enjoy the fall season with beautiful colours out there.
Have a great weekend all you folks!" :)View attachment 36727

TY….The wild flowers and their color is fading, but YES, the trees leaves are beginning to turn colors…Beautiful.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[teamventure]

you were the one who tried to play the word game that discriminaton in this context means just recognizing a difference

I'm goint to ask you a rhetorical question to illustrate a point; would you consider romantic love for someone other than your spouse an appropriate feeling to have?

 

[Wrangler]

I thought of our resident troll when I read this. LOL

 

[CadyandZoe]

Not a person an entire group of people

And that excuses using derogatory terms?

I don't hate any minority or anyone because they are a member of a minority.

Your posts indicate you cannot say the same thing

Apparently not all of the human race

No I support people.

You are choosing to hate people because they were born different. That is as you say your god given right. But don't pretend your choice is their problem.

You continue to appeal to emotion and "feeling" in light of the fact that arguments from emotion are not valid arguments. What we feel about a person has no bearing on the oughtness of an action he or she performs. A father may love his son, but if his son commits murder or accepts a bribe, his son is guilty even in light of his father's love.

But isn't it true that your talk is concerned with how we feel about a homosexual person? I think so. You want to argue, incorrectly of course, that I believe homosexuality is wrong because I hate homosexuals. You want to say, incorrectly of course, that hatred, rather than reason, is the basis of my opinion concerning the oughtness of homosexual behavior.

From your posts I can tell that you drank the proverbial kool-aid, couching the debate in terms of civil rights. America experienced the woman's suffrage movement in the late 1800's and America experienced the Civil Rights movement in the mid- 1900's. In the late 1900's America began to experience the "Gay Liberation Movement." Take note of the name change.

The gays weren't after Civil Rights. They already had Civil Rights. They wanted to be "liberated," meaning, they wanted to live the gay lifestyle out in the open. But without the general support of the public, gays wouldn't find liberation. Gays were fighting for the abolition of Sodomy Laws in America. And taking their cue from Woman's suffrage, and Civil Rights Movements, the Gay agenda couched their cause in terms of bigotry. To move the agenda forward, they needed to convince America that "gay-ness" was not a behavior; it is a state of being.

Thus, you have couched your arguments in terms of Civil Rights based on the lie that homosexuals are born that way. Just as it is wrong to discriminate against a woman because she is born that way; just as it is wrong to discriminate against a person of African descent because he is born that way; it is also wrong to discriminate against a homosexual because he is born that way.

But innate orientation was a fiction invented by the gay liberation movement. People are not born to be sexually deviant. The Gay agenda invented the concept of "innate orientation" in order to garner the sympathy of Americans who were committed to civil rights, and anti-discrimination. Many Americans bought the concept "hook-line-and-sinker", not aware of the subtle difference between a civil right and being "liberated."

Once Americans discovered the playbook of the gay agenda, other sexual deviants ran the same playbook. We know this today as the "victimhood" playbook. And as various groups discover the playbook, our culture continues to add letters to the list of deviant sexual behaviors that Americans will accept.

The playbook only works when Americans accept and believe the lie that people are "born" as sexual deviants.

 

[Wrangler]

And taking their cue from Woman's suffrage, and Civil Rights Movements, the Gay agenda couched their cause in terms of bigotry. To move the agenda forward, they needed to convince America that "gay-ness" was not a behavior; it is a state of being.

I nominate this for post of the year! :)

Once Americans discovered the playbook of the gay agenda, other sexual deviants ran the same playbook.

Most recently, the pedophiles have adopted the playbook and are now where the gays where in the 1990's in terms of advancing their agenda.

 

[Taken]

I thought of our resident troll when I read this. LOL

Spot on! ^5

Every Federally seated Official who Orally takes an Oath to Uphold the Constitution ALSO Signs their signature Testifying to their Oral word…Just AS IF they were adding their Name to the Original Document, WHICH, the Original Document ended WITH,
In the year of our Lord…

While the idiots in the District of Corruption blather out the Government is the SOUL of the Nation, and the Elected LEADERS are trying their best to SAVE the US Nations DEMOCRACY….and the UNINFORMED cheer……

We have a GLARING OBSERVATION of the RESULT of public schools Rejecting God and Instituting Psychological indoctrination…
GAG!

Shame on the District of Corruption.
Shame on those Seated who ACTS are underhanded.
Embarrassment upon America’s Citizenry FOR SEATED Mentally and Spiritually deficient Officials to Blather out to the World incoherent nonsense, Pretending they represent the American citizens.
GAG.

Shame on the People who fall for and take pleasure in such Corruption.
GAG.

All Souls, Belong to God.
A Soul, is in a man, By Gods Effort.
The Life of the Soul, is Gods Breath.
The Lord God is the Savior of Souls.
The US is a Republic, not a Democracy.
The Citizens, not foreigners, not cheating, elect, Servants, not Leaders.

As God revealed, men WILL cause Tribulations, (hardships, wrong doing, wickedness), AGAINST men.
These things MUST come and shall pass…
God Himself has some Tribulations to dole out AGAINST men WHO caused Tribulations AGAINST men.
As well God has Tribulation to dole out AGAINST men WHO supported and are pleased observing MEN unrighteously causing Tribulations AGAINST men.
That is Called Gods Vengeance.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I nominate this for post of the year! :)



Most recently, the pedophiles have adopted the playbook and are now where the gays where in the 1990's in terms of advancing their agenda.

Interesting to note…
The PLAYBOOK!

Historically THE BIBLE was the PLAYBOOK used BY America’s FOUNDERS…
To Establish a Nation of a Free People, LIMITED BY a Constitution ACCORDING TO:
The STANDARDS and PRINCIPLES of Gods Word.

The Democrats PLAYBOOKS…ARE
* The Communist Manifesto
(Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels - 1848)
Focus to Control the People.
* Rules for Radicals
(Saul Alinsky - 1971)
Focus to Scam People of THEIR Wealth by, through underhanded Trickery and Theft.

Yearly Gatherings for updates -
Bilderberg’s - 1954 (In historical terms, the “Barrons”, or otherwise the Money behind the scenes, the Puppeteers whose focus IS TO Control the Monarchs, Kings, Presidents)
Focus to Transfer the People’s Wealth into their coffers.

Yearly meetings - Klaus Schwab - WEF, aka, World Economic Forum 1971
Focus To Control Worlds Nations Economy.

International Monetary Fund (IMF) - 1944
(Some 40 nations meeting)
Focus … uh NATIONS Wealth.

United Nations -
1945 Established - Because of WORLD wars.
Intended for World Nations Seated Servants to come together to discuss Nations differences and attempt to solve differences by, through, of Diplomacy.
Treaties Established by, through, of Upstanding and Corrupt Nations Representatives…LOL

How’s that Freedom thingy working for ya…when World Governance, is effected by a FEW, “secretly” deciding, who, what, when, where, EVERY Aspect of a Persons Life, Physically, Health, Medicines, Death, Utilities, Marriage, Spouses, Children, Home, Food, Eating, Speaking, Works, Education, Wealth, Privacy, Ownership, Buying, Selling, Traveling…and…
Anti-Christs ??

Hight of Evil and Wickedness!
Are ya still “singing” Land of the FREE?
Ya know that is a “has been”…it’s NOW…
Land of the (silent temporary, because IF THEY can Give it to you, they can take it From you)….FREEBIES!
GAG.

 

[BarneyFife]

The gays weren't after Civil Rights. They already had Civil Rights. They wanted to be "liberated," meaning, they wanted to live the gay lifestyle out in the open. But without the general support of the public, gays wouldn't find liberation. Gays were fighting for the abolition of Sodomy Laws in America. And taking their cue from Woman's suffrage, and Civil Rights Movements, the Gay agenda couched their cause in terms of bigotry. To move the agenda forward, they needed to convince America that "gay-ness" was not a behavior; it is a state of being.

What's interestingly ironic about this is that sodomy laws were originally intended to protect women from being victimized and that those who are clamoring for individual liberty are actually ushering in a new, advanced form of the misery they have deceived themselves into thinking they were conquering. Civil reform movements based on retaliatory sentiment and rhetoric, without the meekness and gentleness of Christ, are bound to precipitate a backlash of worsening rebellion and violence, regardless of the creeds the offenders may hold (KKK, Christian, etc.). LGBT is proving its kinship with "minorities" to be bogus in nearly every way possible.

The me-too movement, as truly proper as was the basis of its cause, has resulted in more male-on-female violence and the further degradation of heterosexual relationship dynamics. Men are becoming so internally resentful of women, in general, that cases of assault on women are going up—not down. This is even being reflected in pornography. I read an article about six months or so ago on Pocket that said that heterosexual pornographic images are becoming decidedly more and more Sodomitish and therefore more degrading and violent toward women. And I have talked with recovering pornography addicts who are quick to verify this.

And men are becoming less and less likely to commit to marrying a woman. There are other factors involved in this dynamic, of course, but when unconverted men are forced by polite society to treat women better than they'd like to, they simply take their abuse underground or behind closed doors. The evolutionist, socialist philosophy will never understand this. We love Christ because he first loved us. Love begets love. Social reform will never change hearts. And society has turned its back on the power of the Gospel.

And we who have sown the wind of sexual freedom are reaping the whirlwind of societal collapse.

Anyone who doubts this need only wait twenty years to see just how far society will further descend into darkness.

That is, if God will allow it, which I doubt.

Or they could begin to bend their efforts toward heeding the Word of God now.

And those who are so quick to paint the indulgence of sexual perversion as providing just another group of underdogs that need to be treated as do the widows and the fatherless know not what they are protecting. While every person in need should find a friend in Christ's followers, prostitution in a widow or larceny in an orphan (however "oriented" they may appear to be toward such practices) cannot be encouraged, because to do so would ensure they will always be marginalized by society, and estranged from God. :)

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[Nancy]

Instead of replying to troller TinMan, I suggest "Enjoy the fall season with beautiful colours out there.
Have a great weekend all you folks!" :)View attachment 36727

Your photos are SO awesome Gary, thank you! Here is a pic of Ny foliage, no I did not take the pic, lol:

 

[Cassandra]

How’s that Freedom thingy working for ya…when World Governance, is effected by a FEW, “secretly” deciding, who, what, when, where, EVERY Aspect of a Persons Life, Physically, Health, Medicines, Death, Utilities, Marriage, Spouses, Children, Home, Food, Eating, Speaking, Works, Education, Wealth, Privacy, Ownership, Buying, Selling, Traveling…and…
Anti-Christs ??

Then why are you blaming it on the Democrats? Looks to me like it is everyone.
The whole world gonna go downhill (Matt 24)
There are a ton of crap Republicans, too.

Jesus separated politics from God (Render unto Caesar... , remember) Why don't we?

I don't understand.

 

[BarneyFife]

Then why are you blaming it on the Democrats? Looks to me like it is everyone.
The whole world gonna go downhill (Matt 24)
There are a ton of crap Republicans, too.

Jesus separated politics from God (Render unto Caesar... , remember) Why don't we?

I don't understand.

Indeed

.

 

[TinMan]

Your assumption that the work is objective is naïve.

your claim that it is not is entirely unsupported.

 

[TinMan]

You are lost!

No I am honest. Try it sometime.

 

[TinMan]

You do realize that the whole purpose of our criminal justice system is to deprive people if their ‘rights’ upon conviction, right?

which as nothing to do with the fact that minorities, even minorities you don't like have the same rights and legal protection that you do

 

[Wrangler]

Interesting to note…
The PLAYBOOK!

Historically THE BIBLE was the PLAYBOOK used BY America’s FOUNDERS…

You are on fire girl!

 

[TinMan]

People discriminate ALL DAY LONG.
People …
* Go shopping, CHOOSE this garment they LIKE and REJECT that garment they do NOT LIKE.
* Go to a Cafeteria, CHOOSE this food they LIKE and REJECT that food they do NOT LIKE.

It’s not complicated rocket science…
Individuals decide what they LIKE and do NOT LIKE.
The TOPIC is a persons opinion IF they Believe Homosexuality is RIGHT or WRONG, not particularly about what THEY LIKE or DO NOT LIKE.

IMO, Homosexual Behavior is WRONG.
IMO, Entrance into Gods Kingdom will be forbidden to those who are unforgiven and continuing in their homosexual behavior, AS WELL AS those who support such behavior.

Doesn’t matter to me one iota if your opinion differs OR what you do and do not like.

And here we see good Christians saying they don't care for the way those black men acted. And obviously hate has nothing to do with it.

 

[TinMan]

Sometimes I worry about the soundness of your mind.

Did I inspire anyone to write anything in the four corners of the Holy Bible?

And I did not advocate for or inspire anyone to write this either.

Leviticus 20:10
‘If there is a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, one who commits adultery with his friend’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

You posted it here saying its a problem if people don't follow God on the topic. and here God is saying kill them. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with God?

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

You posted it here saying its a problem if people don't follow God on the topic. and here God is saying kill them. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with God?

Silly TinMan...

StrawMan says of course God always knows what is best. He is our master so.......................

 

[Bob Estey]

I will be advocating for the side that homosexuality is inherently wrong, and the promotion of such actions and thoughts are evil. Similar or contrasting views are welcome and gladly accepted. Let us be in constant search for the truth during our discussion.

Doesn't Leviticus 18:22 say it all?

 

[TinMan]

You continue to appeal to emotion and "feeling" in light of the fact that arguments from emotion are not valid arguments. What we feel about a person has no bearing on the oughtness of an action he or she performs. A father may love his son, but if his son commits murder or accepts a bribe, his son is guilty even in light of his father's love.

But isn't it true that your talk is concerned with how we feel about a homosexual person? I think so. You want to argue, incorrectly of course, that I believe homosexuality is wrong because I hate homosexuals. You want to say, incorrectly of course, that hatred, rather than reason, is the basis of my opinion concerning the oughtness of homosexual behavior.

Likewise White Supremist's opinion of people of color is based only on reason.

From your posts I can tell that you drank the proverbial kool-aid, couching the debate in terms of civil rights. America experienced the woman's suffrage movement in the late 1800's and America experienced the Civil Rights movement in the mid- 1900's. In the late 1900's America began to experience the "Gay Liberation Movement." Take note of the name change.

The gays weren't after Civil Rights.

Strange, in 1969 the Gay Liberation Front stated goals started with: "Amend all federal Civil Rights Acts, other legislation and government controls to prohibit discrimination in employment, housing, public accommodations and public services. Support legislation prohibiting discrimination in housing, employment and in the military.

Sounds like civil rights to me

They already had Civil Rights.

Really? Then why did they have to go through years and years of litigatoin to end things like employment discrimination?

They wanted to be "liberated," meaning, they wanted to live the gay lifestyle out in the open.

You mean not they didn't want to have to hide and live in fear... those filthy homos! How dare they!

But without the general support of the public, gays wouldn't find liberation. Gays were fighting for the abolition of Sodomy Laws in America. And taking their cue from Woman's suffrage, and Civil Rights Movements, the Gay agenda couched their cause in terms of bigotry. To move the agenda forward, they needed to convince America that "gay-ness" was not a behavior; it is a state of being.

Thus, you have couched your arguments in terms of Civil Rights based on the lie that homosexuals are born that way. Just as it is wrong to discriminate against a woman because she is born that way; just as it is wrong to discriminate against a person of African descent because he is born that way; it is also wrong to discriminate against a homosexual because he is born that way.

Yes it is wrong to discriminate, yet you keep advocating for discrimination.

But innate orientation was a fiction invented by the gay liberation movement. People are not born to be sexually deviant. The Gay agenda invented the concept of "innate orientation" in order to garner the sympathy of Americans who were committed to civil rights, and anti-discrimination. Many Americans bought the concept "hook-line-and-sinker", not aware of the subtle difference between a civil right and being "liberated."

Your claims are based on an appeal to emotion and not evidence.

Once Americans discovered the playbook of the gay agenda, other sexual deviants ran the same playbook. We know this today as the "victimhood" playbook. And as various groups discover the playbook, our culture continues to add letters to the list of deviant sexual behaviors that Americans will accept.

Yes right wing groups have been playing the victim card for years demanding the special right to discriminate.

The playbook only works when Americans accept and believe the lie that people are "born" as sexual deviants.

your use of "sexual deviants" is entirely an appeal to emotion.