Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[TinMan]

Please consider that the current state of science is not interested in finding the truth. The current state of science is to support a particular political cause. Any so-called study concluding that sexual orientation is innate is highly suspect for obvious reasons.

Your choice to dislike fact doesn't change the objective work of scientists everywhere.

Those who attempt to gain fulfillment through political causes will often try to make people doubt themselves -- what they KNOW is real. They want you to doubt what you KNOW to be real and to place trust in a scientist instead. Doubt yourself and "trust the science."

It escapes their notice that "science" is nothing more and nothing less than collecting facts and data. That's it.

and the fact is sexual orientation is inborn.

Accordingly, facts and data are subject to interpretation. And we all know instinctively that exegesis of data shouldn't be left to scientists. Exegesis should be left to thinkers, wisdom seekers, ethical people, and morally upright people.

And that is why scientists publish data so people can examine it.

NO evidence says sexual orientation is innate. Instead, some scientists collected some data and CONCLUDED that sexual orientation is innate, which we know is false. Scientists are not infallible.

NO scientist are not but is it a lie to say there is no evidence that sexual orientation is innate. There is overwhelming evidence. There are those who ignore evidence when it doesn't align with their particular political ideology but that doesn't change the evidence.

 

[TinMan]

What does the 'Q' in LGBTQ stand for? And don't say "questioning."

that is exactly what it stands for.

 

[TinMan]

THERE IS ONE FACT IN THIS ARGUMENT AND ONLY ONE.

YOUR creator, and mine and that of every LGBTQ+ human being alive today or at any time in the history of the creation of all said... going way back to a much earlier time when there was a seeming problem with this issue.....

Leviticus 18:22
‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

The Septuagint LXX said it this way
22 And thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13- If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

I'll stop now with references and say these are some of what the Creator says... You can make all the excuses and arguments for or in acceptance of what quasi-science says on the subject but it will not change the fact that,
that Creator is the very one who can... and is able ... and will~ Mathew 10: 28 ..... but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Are you advocating that LGBT people be killed?

 

[TinMan]

Your incessant appeal to victimhood is not gaining traction.

Guess what? Societial rules are established by the MAJORITY not a minority.

and in our society the rule is that everyone even minorities that you choose to hate have the same rights and legal protections as the majority.

Pushing for acceptance of unacceptable behavior is more than nasty; it is evil. You reminded me of this quote.


“Evil preaches tolerance until is dominant, then it tries to silence good”
Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

and you are working very hard to silence anyone who disagrees with you.

 

[Cassandra]

Because I find behaviors AGAINST nature,
queer, strange, odd, which has nothing to do with strongly dis-liking, or not loving A Person whose behavior IS queer, strange, odd.

You tossed out the word HATE, with the implication me Hating a Person.
Hate means a Strong DIS-LIKE.

There ARE queer, strange, odd Behaviors that PEOPLE choose to engage in that I do strongly dislike (Hate)…so what?

Are YOU willing to SAY YOU DO NOT “HATE”, (strongly dis-like) ANY Behaviors other People engage in OR promote, advocate, encourage ANY particular Behavior?

Then you tossed out the word BIGOT, as an intended negative application toward me.

A Bigot is someone with their OWN STRONG convictions TOWARD one thing and NOT TOWARD what is OPPOSITE of “their own conviction”. So what?

I have a STRONG conviction TOWARD the Lord God, and that which is AGAINST the Lord God, I am as well AGAINST.

I have STRONG convictions TOWARD the Human race, religions, politics, nature, spirits, natural and unnatural behaviors, among other things.
So what?

And if you Do not, you stand for nothing and will fall for and accept anything.

The fact is You Do Stand for supporting Homosexual Behavior, I don’t. So what?

I am, as you are, as every person is, ENTITLED, by, through, of Gods MAKING of manKIND to Have FREEWILL to Choose their OWN STANDING.

And YUP, I do find SOME PEOPLE’S FREEWILL Choices queer, odd, strange.
So what?

Your implied pretense that “SOME” People Do NOT have the OPTION of FREEWILL Choices, I personally find ridiculous on its face.

Good attempt at trying to hide the derogatory word. i doubt it worked though.

 

[Taken]

Not a person an entire group of people

That is bold of you to speak for me…since basic knowledge has revealed we are not in agreement.

If I choose to Strongly Dislike (HATE) anything, How about you let me speak for myself?

And that excuses using derogatory terms?

Who appointed YOU dictator of the manner in which a debate can be conducted?

I don't hate any minority or anyone because they are a member of a minority.

So? Irrelevant…
No one said you did. And neither did I say being a minority is a basis for my Likes or Strong Dislikes.

Your posts indicate you cannot say the same thing

Your unfounded personal opinion simply reveals your inability to stay on TOPIC.
Minority / Majority is NOT the TOPIC.
Behavioral Choices IS the TOPIC.

No I support people.

Awesome! I’m a person and could use some additional $$$ support!

You are choosing to hate people

because

You are choosing to SPEAK LIES and attribute your LIES to me.

Not once did I ever say such a thing.

they were born different.

That is as you say your god given right.

Another Lie. I said no such thing.

But don't pretend your choice is their problem.

I don’t have a problem. But YOU DO…
Obviously Standing on your OWN MERIT is MOOT, so you make up false claims, VOID of a shred of EVIDENCE that you could EASILY “QUOTE” me to prove your claims.

Thanks for sharing YOUR mode of operation.
Not flattering!

 

[Cassandra]

Careful. You don't want this stuff to reflect back on Encounter.

 

[Taken]

Yes many words do. Pretending that a word has a different meaning then what is contextually obvious is a childish word game.

According to you all they were doing is pointing out a difference.

You snagged a photo taken by someone else, then proceeded to write your own comments AS IF you were an authority on all the facts of what occurred, by whom and why.

Your ideas and words reveal you as a fan of fiction.

 

[TinMan]

Good attempt at trying to hide the derogatory word. i doubt it worked though.

It didn't

 

[TinMan]

That is bold of you to speak for me…since basic knowledge has revealed we are not in agreement.

If I choose to Strongly Dislike (HATE) anything, How about you let me speak for myself?

You are, and quite loudly too.

 

[Taken]

Careful. You don't want this stuff to reflect back on Encounter.

Gotcha. Facts, Evidence, Truths should be the stuff that reflects on Encounter.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Orientation is an individuals enduring pattern of emotional, romantic and/or sexual attractions to men, women or both sexes. Sexual orientation also refers to a person’s sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors and membership in a community of others who share those attractions.

I know all that. The concept is fictional and not real. If someone stops valuing the truth and instead uses their intelligence to rationalize and justify their enjoyment of wrongdoing, God can allow them to be deceived into believing falsehoods. This is how the idea of "orientation" came about due to this delusion.

One can arbitrarily assign words like right and wrong but it is just arbitrary.

Sure, people can believe that they are Napoleon Bonaparte. It doesn't mean they are correct. Even so, I gave you my reasons for why homosexuality is wrong.

Why would you assume that everyone wants to go to Seattle?

You are having difficulty with illustrations and rhetorical questions. This is a clear sign that my arguments are making sense to you and since you don't have a good rebuttal, you thrash around with statements like that.

 

[TinMan]

You snagged a photo taken by someone else, then proceeded to write your own comments AS IF you were an authority on all the facts of what occurred, by whom and why.

Your ideas and words reveal you as a fan of fiction.

you were the one who tried to play the word game that discriminaton in this context means just recognizing a difference

 

[Taken]

You are, and quite loudly too.

You are NOT the first, nor doubt you to be the last to make personal false and unfounded claims toward me…
It’s merely a Reflection on and of Your Behavior.
Some people continue to routinely make false and unfounded claims and that Becomes “THEIR” behavioral Reputation.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Your choice to dislike fact doesn't change the objective work of scientists everywhere.

Your assumption that the work is objective is naïve.

and the fact is sexual orientation is inborn.

Some people choose not to believe in the existence of a creator God. However, atheists unfairly ignore the evidence of a creator God, as Paul stated: "what can be known about God is plain to them because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."

Scientists believe in a logical universe that follows the rules of physics and chemistry. The concept of design suggests the existence of a designer. Although it's unclear if those who haven't designed anything can grasp design principles, it appears to be a straightforward idea. A bolt and nut are designed to fit together and secure parts, fulfilling the creator's intention. The designer shapes the form of the bolt and nut, based on their assigned purpose.

It can be observed that both males and females have physical characteristics that work together to fulfill a specific purpose designated by their creator. Therefore, it is evident that the only innate sexual orientation is heterosexual, as any other orientation would contradict the natural order.

 

[Wrangler]

It's not evidence. it's like saying the sky is blue. neither has any barring on your claims.

Homosexuality is no more a death issue than heterosexuality.

You are lost!

 

[Wrangler]

and in our society the rule is that everyone even minorities that you choose to hate have the same rights and legal protections as the majority.

You do realize that the whole purpose of our criminal justice system is to deprive people if their ‘rights’ upon conviction, right?

 

[Taken]

you were the one who tried to play the word game that discriminaton in this context means just recognizing a difference

People discriminate ALL DAY LONG.
People …
* Go shopping, CHOOSE this garment they LIKE and REJECT that garment they do NOT LIKE.
* Go to a Cafeteria, CHOOSE this food they LIKE and REJECT that food they do NOT LIKE.

It’s not complicated rocket science…
Individuals decide what they LIKE and do NOT LIKE.
The TOPIC is a persons opinion IF they Believe Homosexuality is RIGHT or WRONG, not particularly about what THEY LIKE or DO NOT LIKE.

IMO, Homosexual Behavior is WRONG.
IMO, Entrance into Gods Kingdom will be forbidden to those who are unforgiven and continuing in their homosexual behavior, AS WELL AS those who support such behavior.

Doesn’t matter to me one iota if your opinion differs OR what you do and do not like.

 

[Triumph1300]

Instead of replying to troller TinMan, I suggest "Enjoy the fall season with beautiful colours out there.
Have a great weekend all you folks!" :-)

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Are you advocating that LGBT people be killed?

Sometimes I worry about the soundness of your mind.

Did I inspire anyone to write anything in the four corners of the Holy Bible?

And I did not advocate for or inspire anyone to write this either.

Leviticus 20:10
‘If there is a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, one who commits adultery with his friend’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.