Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[Big Boy Johnson]

its nice to know that these good people were just making a distinction and upholding good Christian values.

WHO told you these people were Christians???

They aren't... they're calvinists!

 

[teamventure]

Many have no idea what TRUE LOVE is anymore . Their love has become what the WORLD has defined it to be .
And under the guise of the dragon follows his version of love . any love that rebels against GOD is dead and is of the world .
NOT OF GOD . the LOVE that cometh from GOD , loveth and rejoices IN TRUTH .
But many now follow the version of dragon love the love of the world and not OF GOD . YET they THINK its coming FROM GOD
and that we who warn agianst sins and etc have not the love of GOD . ITS all deceptoin my friend
and any and all who love a lie WILL EMBRACE A LIE .

Good to see you friend. Well put as always.

 

[teamventure]

Except that it is inborn and found in nature the actual definition of natural.

We are born with a sin nature. That doesn't make sin natural.

 

[teamventure]

Great word games.

its nice to know that these good people were just making a distinction and upholding good Christian values.

How dare you exploit people of color and cheapen the discrimination they endured with equating it to a belief that homosexuality is a sin.

 

[Jack]

How dare you exploit people of color and cheapen the discrimination they endured with equating it to a belief that homosexuality is a sin.

You can bet when Liberals mention blacks it's not to help us but to divide and create false racism! All they want from us is our votes and to kill our unborn children.

 

[Wrangler]

so what?

Exactly! Evidence that goes against your indoctrination does not even count in your mind.

The idea that the human race would be given an "orientation" that necessarily leads to extinction is preposterous. Why not legalize murder since the world is over populated and can absorb a few loses? The same with homosexual behavior. One action takes life. One action fails to create life.

Morality is not determined by an Appeal to Numbers. As long as a critical mass of numbers do not engage in said before, then it is Okey-dokey. Each act must stand on its own. A good test is what are the consequences if everyone does it?

Yes, equating murder and homosexuality is correct as both actions are life and death issues - violate the ultimate moral standard of survival. Your appeal to minority BS cannot withstand moral scrutiny. That's so what!

 

[Taken]

In post #198 you tossed out the wood queer, not a description but a rather nasty and derogatory name for a minority. Will you answer with Truth if I as why did you choose to do this?

Because I find behaviors AGAINST nature,
queer, strange, odd, which has nothing to do with strongly dis-liking, or not loving A Person whose behavior IS queer, strange, odd.

You tossed out the word HATE, with the implication me Hating a Person.
Hate means a Strong DIS-LIKE.

There ARE queer, strange, odd Behaviors that PEOPLE choose to engage in that I do strongly dislike (Hate)…so what?

Are YOU willing to SAY YOU DO NOT “HATE”, (strongly dis-like) ANY Behaviors other People engage in OR promote, advocate, encourage ANY particular Behavior?

Then you tossed out the word BIGOT, as an intended negative application toward me.

A Bigot is someone with their OWN STRONG convictions TOWARD one thing and NOT TOWARD what is OPPOSITE of “their own conviction”. So what?

I have a STRONG conviction TOWARD the Lord God, and that which is AGAINST the Lord God, I am as well AGAINST.

I have STRONG convictions TOWARD the Human race, religions, politics, nature, spirits, natural and unnatural behaviors, among other things.
So what?

And if you Do not, you stand for nothing and will fall for and accept anything.

The fact is You Do Stand for supporting Homosexual Behavior, I don’t. So what?

I am, as you are, as every person is, ENTITLED, by, through, of Gods MAKING of manKIND to Have FREEWILL to Choose their OWN STANDING.

And YUP, I do find SOME PEOPLE’S FREEWILL Choices queer, odd, strange.
So what?

Your implied pretense that “SOME” People Do NOT have the OPTION of FREEWILL Choices, I personally find ridiculous on its face.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Great word games.

its nice to know that these good people were just making a distinction and upholding good Christian values.

Oddly sad that the one pointing to the bodies has a striking resemblance to Adolf Hitler.

 

[Taken]

Great word games.

Many words have multiple meanings and application. If you think it a game to expressly identify ones use and meaning of a particular word, no issue for me, for you to remain uninformed.

its nice to know that these good people were just making a distinction and upholding good Christian values.

Astounding you post a picture of what appears to be an “under the cover of the darkness of night lynching”….and THEN flat out say the Doers and Observers ARE implied Christians upholding good Christian Values.

What a load of malarkey.

 

[CadyandZoe]

A delusion is a false fixed belief that is not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence.

When you say things like this you are exhibiting signs of delusion


And you keep rejecting the truth

You are playing games. So let me explain it this way. Let's talk about orientation. What is "orientation"? The word comes from the word "Orient", which indicates a particular direction we are facing. Even here, we can speak about a "right orientation" and a "wrong orientation."

Suppose I am located in LA and I intend to travel to Seattle. If I face West, I might end up on a beach in San Diego. If I face east, I might end up in Needles, or Vegas, or Albuquerque. If my goal is to reach Seattle, the correct orientation is North. If I face any other direction, I am not going to arrive at my intended destination.

With regard to human sexuality, there is only one correct orientation suitable for the purpose of human reproduction: males facing females and females facing males.

The reason why Paul argues that any other orientation is delusional is because men and women wear on their bodies clear evidence of the proper orientation. Form fits function, and function determines oughtness.

 

[CadyandZoe]

All, and I do mean all, the evidence says that sexual orientation is innate. Denying that face is not sane or honest.

Please consider that the current state of science is not interested in finding the truth. The current state of science is to support a particular political cause. Any so-called study concluding that sexual orientation is innate is highly suspect for obvious reasons.

Those who attempt to gain fulfillment through political causes will often try to make people doubt themselves -- what they KNOW is real. They want you to doubt what you KNOW to be real and to place trust in a scientist instead. Doubt yourself and "trust the science."

It escapes their notice that "science" is nothing more and nothing less than collecting facts and data. That's it. Accordingly, facts and data are subject to interpretation. And we all know instinctively that exegesis of data shouldn't be left to scientists. Exegesis should be left to thinkers, wisdom seekers, ethical people, and morally upright people.

NO evidence says sexual orientation is innate. Instead, some scientists collected some data and CONCLUDED that sexual orientation is innate, which we know is false. Scientists are not infallible.

A man and a woman wear clear evidence of God's intended orientation on their bodies. If someone is oriented differently, it comes about later, after birth. Even so, orientations can be right or wrong. As I said, if I live in LA and need to be in Seattle, it makes all the difference if I am facing North or not. Any other orientation is wrong.

 

[CadyandZoe]

In post #198 you tossed out the wood queer, not a description but a rather nasty and derogatory name for a minority. Will you answer with Truth if I as why did you choose to do this?

What does the 'Q' in LGBTQ stand for? And don't say "questioning."

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

THERE IS ONE FACT IN THIS ARGUMENT AND ONLY ONE.

YOUR creator, and mine and that of every LGBTQ+ human being alive today or at any time in the history of the creation of all said... going way back to a much earlier time when there was a seeming problem with this issue.....

Leviticus 18:22
‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

The Septuagint LXX said it this way
22 And thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13- If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

I'll stop now with references and say these are some of what the Creator says... You can make all the excuses and arguments for or in acceptance of what quasi-science says on the subject but it will not change the fact that,
that Creator is the very one who can... and is able ... and will~ Mathew 10: 28 ..... but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Wrangler]

a rather nasty and derogatory name for a minority.

Your incessant appeal to victimhood is not gaining traction.

Guess what? Societial rules are established by the MAJORITY not a minority. Pushing for acceptance of unacceptable behavior is more than nasty; it is evil. You reminded me of this quote.


“Evil preaches tolerance until is dominant, then it tries to silence good”
Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

 

[CadyandZoe]

THERE IS ONE FACT IN THIS ARGUMENT AND ONLY ONE.

YOUR creator, and mine and that of every LGBTQ+ human being alive today or at any time in the history of the creation of all said... going way back to a much earlier time when there was a seeming problem with this issue.....

Leviticus 18:22
‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

The Septuagint LXX said it this way
22 And thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13- If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

I'll stop now with references and say these are some of what the Creator says... You can make all the excuses and arguments for or in acceptance of what quasi-science says on the subject but it will not change the fact that,
that Creator is the very one who can... and is able ... and will~ Mathew 10: 28 ..... but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

For extra credit, look up the ritual practices surrounding the god Peor.

 

[TinMan]

How dare you exploit people of color and cheapen the discrimination they endured with equating it to a belief that homosexuality is a sin.

Did you even read the post?

 

[TinMan]

Exactly! Evidence that goes against your indoctrination does not even count in your mind.

It's not evidence. it's like saying the sky is blue. neither has any barring on your claims.

The idea that the human race would be given an "orientation" that necessarily leads to extinction is preposterous. Why not legalize murder since the world is over populated and can absorb a few loses? The same with homosexual behavior. One action takes life. One action fails to create life.

Morality is not determined by an Appeal to Numbers. As long as a critical mass of numbers do not engage in said before, then it is Okey-dokey. Each act must stand on its own. A good test is what are the consequences if everyone does it?

Yes, equating murder and homosexuality is correct as both actions are life and death issues - violate the ultimate moral standard of survival. Your appeal to minority BS cannot withstand moral scrutiny. That's so what!

Homosexuality is no more a death issue than heterosexuality.

 

[TinMan]

Because I find behaviors AGAINST nature,
queer, strange, odd, which has nothing to do with strongly dis-liking, or not loving A Person whose behavior IS queer, strange, odd.

You tossed out the word HATE, with the implication me Hating a Person.

Not a person an entire group of people

Hate means a Strong DIS-LIKE.

There ARE queer, strange, odd Behaviors that PEOPLE choose to engage in that I do strongly dislike (Hate)…so what?

And that excuses using derogatory terms?

Are YOU willing to SAY YOU DO NOT “HATE”, (strongly dis-like) ANY Behaviors other People engage in OR promote, advocate, encourage ANY particular Behavior?

I don't hate any minority or anyone because they are a member of a minority.

Your posts indicate you cannot say the same thing

Then you tossed out the word BIGOT, as an intended negative application toward me.

A Bigot is someone with their OWN STRONG convictions TOWARD one thing and NOT TOWARD what is OPPOSITE of “their own conviction”. So what?

I have a STRONG conviction TOWARD the Lord God, and that which is AGAINST the Lord God, I am as well AGAINST.

I have STRONG convictions TOWARD the Human race, religions, politics, nature, spirits, natural and unnatural behaviors, among other things.
So what?

Apparently not all of the human race

And if you Do not, you stand for nothing and will fall for and accept anything.

The fact is You Do Stand for supporting Homosexual Behavior, I don’t. So what?

No I support people.

I am, as you are, as every person is, ENTITLED, by, through, of Gods MAKING of manKIND to Have FREEWILL to Choose their OWN STANDING.

And YUP, I do find SOME PEOPLE’S FREEWILL Choices queer, odd, strange.
So what?

Your implied pretense that “SOME” People Do NOT have the OPTION of FREEWILL Choices, I personally find ridiculous on its face.

You are choosing to hate people because they were born different. That is as you say your god given right. But don't pretend your choice is their problem.

 

[TinMan]

Many words have multiple meanings and application. If you think it a game to expressly identify ones use and meaning of a particular word, no issue for me, for you to remain uninformed.

Yes many words do. Pretending that a word has a different meaning then what is contextually obvious is a childish word game.

Astounding you post a picture of what appears to be an “under the cover of the darkness of night lynching”….and THEN flat out say the Doers and Observers ARE implied Christians upholding good Christian Values.

What a load of malarkey.

According to you all they were doing is pointing out a difference.

 

[TinMan]

You are playing games. So let me explain it this way. Let's talk about orientation. What is "orientation"?

Orientation is an individuals enduring pattern of emotional, romantic and/or sexual attractions to men, women or both sexes. Sexual orientation also refers to a person’s sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors and membership in a community of others who share those attractions.

The word comes from the word "Orient", which indicates a particular direction we are facing. Even here, we can speak about a "right orientation" and a "wrong orientation."

One can arbitrarily assign words like right and wrong but it is just arbitrary.

Suppose I am located in LA and I intend to travel to Seattle. If I face West, I might end up on a beach in San Diego. If I face east, I might end up in Needles, or Vegas, or Albuquerque. If my goal is to reach Seattle, the correct orientation is North. If I face any other direction, I am not going to arrive at my intended destination.

Why would you assume that everyone wants to go to Seattle?

With regard to human sexuality, there is only one correct orientation suitable for the purpose of human reproduction: males facing females and females facing males.


The reason why Paul argues that any other orientation is delusional is because men and women wear on their bodies clear evidence of the proper orientation. Form fits function, and function determines oughtness.

Remind me what Paul said about celibacy.