Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[Rita]

What I find so sad in these debates is that one person chooses to wear the hat of judgement on another without having full knowledge of that person and without having the authority to actually judge. Blanket judging a whole group of people.
Thank goodness that God is far wiser, bigger, more knowledgeable and a darn site more merciful than some of his people.
Wonder what he will be merciful , wiser , more knowledgable about when each of us also has to give an account for the lives and attitudes we have……..
I won’t be answering any comments to this post as I don’t intend to join in the petty insults and arguments that continually go on……….
Some of discussions remind me of Westbro baptist church ……what a horrible legacy and witness they have been for the Lord.

 

[Gottservant]

So, it seems you are attracted to men, but that is the result of a biological disorder, because God created man and woman, not man and man, nor woman and woman, to be attracted to each other, become one in chastity and marriage, and procreate. It's good that despite your disorder you're choosing to live a chaste lifestyle, because that's how God wants all people to live, even married men and women.

Woah! There is a big difference between finding men attractive and being attracted to them.

You are getting muddle headed, because you keep confusing homosexual behaviour with homogeneous behaviour.

God permits the attraction, but He denounces the lust (that's the same for both sexes).

 

[Gottservant]

All of these made up terms serve only to confuse. I don't know if you even comprehend what is being discussed here.

Permit "homogeneous" then, that has an established meaning of being "similar in most ways".

If there is an attraction between men, it is likely to lead to 'homogeneous' behaviour.

What I don't comprehend, is why you hate the sin but love the sinner, but you won't go so far as to defend the sinner.

 

[Sigma]

God permits the attraction, but He denounces the lust (that's the same for both sexes).

God doesn't permit attraction to the same sex, that's why He created man and woman, not man and man, nor woman and woman, to become one in chastity and marriage, and procreate together. An attraction to the same sex is a biological disorder, and despite that disorder, one should still be chaste in thought and body, because lust of the flesh is a sin.

 

[Gottservant]

God doesn't permit attraction to the same sex, that's why He created man and woman, not man and man, nor woman and woman, to become one in chastity and marriage, and procreate together. An attraction to the same sex is a biological disorder, and despite that disorder, one should still be chaste in thought and body, because lust of the flesh is a sin.

You need to keep people's expectations in mind, if you are going to lie? My expectation is that my body is my prerogative. You may wish I was more chaste than I am, but that is none of your business.

I understand that you don't know what it means to be clean. I don't hate you for that. Just be wary of doing the Devil's work, because you are convinced that you should know better.

 

[Wrangler]

My GENDER was decided FOR ME.

Cop out of an answer. You have said other choose their orientation but don't want the same to apply to you.

Not at all. @TLHKAJ said it true. Gender is established at conception. It is recognized at birth (and with modern technology, sometimes much earlier).

Amazing, i find hating others because they are different to be unnatural

Are you oikophobic?

and you keep attempting to justify your hate by pretending the subject is an action.

You are confusing the truth and love with hate and lies.

So are you a heterosexual all the time or only when you are having sex?

I reject the premise of your question. I am an air breather even in between breaths. You keep trying to pretend action and choice does not apply but only part of who we are as a Being. You are not fooling anyone here.

 

[Wrangler]

hate the sin but love the sinner

The Problem With Saying “Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner”

Unpacking the Christian Cliché that does more harm than good

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God hates sin and the sinner

 

[CadyandZoe]

lying and pretending it doesn't won't change its innate nature.

We talked about this before. God would not create a homosexual only to damn him for it.
But even if a man's desire for another man was "natural" (which it isn't) it is still wrong, and evil, to seek satisfaction of that desire.

But no, people are not born homosexual.

Paul the apostle argues that anyone who practices homosexuality has a mind not worthy of being called a mind. In his view, and I agree, when a man sleeps with another man, his choice is based on rebellion, unjustly suppressing knowledge of the actual, real God to worship a god of their imagination. They wear on their body the proof that condemns them.

Does the pot say, "Why did you make me like this?" No. But human beings say things like, "God, I hate you for making me a "woman", or "short" or "fat", or "ugly" or "born in a poor country" or "born to strict parents" or what have you.

Now a woman might say to herself, "I hate being a woman. From now on I will identify as a man." Does that make her a man? No. From that point forward she has decided to escape from reality and live in a fantasy world. Those who agree with her choice and support it, are hating her. Those who call her back into reality are loving her.

Those who support the homosexual delusion are hating them, those who call them back into reality are loving them.

 

[TinMan]

Not at all. @TLHKAJ said it true. Gender is established at conception. It is recognized at birth (and with modern technology, sometimes much earlier).

Which has nothing to do with orientation.

Are you oikophobic?

You are actually asking if i am afraid of my home...

You are confusing the truth and love with hate and lies.


I reject the premise of your question. I am an air breather even in between breaths. You keep trying to pretend action and choice does not apply but only part of who we are as a Being. You are not fooling anyone here.

So you are heterosexual even when you aren't having sex and that your own sexual orientation is not a behavior. Yet you try to limit non heterosexuals to only being a sexual behavior. Can you tell me why you choose to do this that isn't based on an attempt to marginalize a minority?

 

[TinMan]

We talked about this before. God would not create a homosexual only to damn him for it.
But even if a man's desire for another man was "natural" (which it isn't) it is still wrong, and evil, to seek satisfaction of that desire.

But no, people are not born homosexual.

yet everything yes EVERYTHING says that a person's sexual orientation is inborn and unchanging Meaning God made them exactly how they are meant to be. Maybe you are wrong about them being damned by God

 

[Jack]

yet everything yes EVERYTHING says that a person's sexual orientation is inborn and unchanging Meaning God made them exactly how they are meant to be. Maybe you are wrong about them being damned by God

Baloney! I knew man for many years who was blatantly gay. He got truly saved and spoke against gays!

 

[Wrangler]

Which has nothing to do with orientation.

Orientation - or emotions - has nothing to do with determining morality. In fact, morality is choosing DESPITE how one might feel.

 

[Wrangler]

You are actually asking if i am afraid of my home...

Huh? The opposite of xeno. The fear of the near and familiar.

And your answer is …

 

[Wrangler]

Can you tell me why you choose to do this that isn't based on an attempt to marginalize a minority?

Being part of a minority does not make their actions moral.

 

[Taken]

Just as my post pointed out.

Maybe this will help you: How to be Respectful

In a general sense, Some “persons” want, desire, demand RESPECT, simply BECAUSE they ARE a “person”.

Scripture reveals Gods position on “RESPECT” of Persons, simply Because they ARE a “person”.

Rom 2
[11] For there is no respect of persons with God.

To God it matters NOT WHO the “person” is;
Jew or Gentile…

[12] For (Because) as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13] (For (Because)not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
[14] For (Because)when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, (their natural spirit) their conscience (their soul) also bearing witness, and their thoughts (their bodily mind) the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
[16] In the day when God shall judge the (spirit and soul) and body) secrets of men (spirit and soul and body) by
[9] Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[10] But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
[11] For there is no respect of persons with God.
[12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
[14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, (their spirit) their conscience (their soul) also bearing witness, and their thoughts (their bodily mind) the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
[16] In the day when God shall judge the (spirit’s, soul’s, mind’s) secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

A man’s spirit (truth in his heart).
A man’s soul (conscience).
A man’s body (mind)….
IS ONLY FULLY KNOWN, by the Lord God and the man himself.
(1 Cor 2:11)

Men “respecting” men, simply because they ARE a man (ie A person) is without merit.

Men are LIMITED / unknowing of “secret facts” of another whole man (spirit, soul, bodily mind).

Men CAN Agree, Disagree, with what a mans Bodily Mind’s thoughts Speaks forth.

Men CAN Have and INDICATION that which a mans Bodily Mind’s thoughts Speaks forth…
IS IN AGREEMENT with THAT Speaking man’s spirit and conscience, which such AGREEMENT may or may NOT be true.

Even God Himself DOES NOT “JUDGE” the WHOLE (body, soul, spirit) OF a man…
UNTIL ….
AFTER ALL bodies ARE physically DEAD…
AND
ON JUDGEMENT Day.

A Physically bodily DEAD man, IS NO LONGER on that day called “a person” For (BECAUSE) a “Person” IS a Naturally Living body, with it’s Living soul “IN” it’s Living body.

A Naturally Living Body’s LIFE is it’s BLOOD.
(And God Requires the BLOOD LIFE of EVERY person.) Gen 9:5
Once that BODY’s LIFE (BLOOD) is Dead…that BLOOD LIFE, Never returns to that Body.

Men are LIMITED to KNOW the WHOLE of another man….
Men CAN “respect” or “disrespect” the WORKS of another man, WHILE not respecting the WHOLE of the other, simply Because he is a man.


I am not inclined to Respect your views or your works regarding homosexuality.
And that is simply called we Disagree.

 

[Wrangler]

Just as my post pointed out.

Maybe this will help you: How to be Respectful

It’s NOT respectful to go along with pretending one’s mental illness regarding homosexuality is normal, healthy or right.

 

[CadyandZoe]

yet everything yes EVERYTHING says that a person's sexual orientation is inborn and unchanging Meaning God made them exactly how they are meant to be. Maybe you are wrong about them being damned by God

Yes, God made them how they are. He made them male and female. He made them to be married to each other and to sleep with each other. He didn't make them oriented to the same sex. That is absurd.

Whether God damns a person is up to God. What we know, from scripture, is that homosexuality is no different from any other kind of sinful lifestyle with regard to damnation. Homosexuality is not a special kind of sin. If God forgives and saves sinners, (which he does) then God forgives and saves homosexuals.

Paul argues that mankind has unjustly suppressed knowledge concerning the one true God in favor of imaginary gods. And for this reason, God gave them over to a depraved mind. He offers homosexuality, not as the greatest of sins, but as clear evidence of a depraved mind. Homosexuals are delusional. In order to serve their pleasure, they must force themselves to hold false beliefs or judgments about their existence that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

If Paul were alive today, he might have spoken about so-called "transgender" individuals who are also delusional, holding false beliefs about themselves contrary to incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

Yes, God created them male and female. Sexual deviants are unwilling to admit the truth about themselves for whatever reason, choosing to become delusional in their thinking in order to satisfy their lusts.

 

[Lambano]

yet everything yes EVERYTHING says that a person's sexual orientation is inborn and unchanging Meaning God made them exactly how they are meant to be.

Yes and no. Yes, everything we are was given to us by God. No, the way God made us is NOT the way we are meant to be. Think about it. And yes, sentient clay DOES say to the Potter, "Why have you made me thus?"

While studying Paul's letter to the Romans, I was struck by this oddity:

21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their reasonings, and their senseless hearts were darkened.... 26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which unnatural, 27 and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing dishonorable acts and receiving in their own bodies the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up to an unfit mind, to do those things that are not proper, 29 people having been filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, and evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unfeeling, and unmerciful.

That's not the usual Adam, Eve, and the apple narrative. Paul says our natural inclination to depravity and evil (and our out-of-tune sex drives merited special mention) was given to us by God, and verses 24, 26, and 28 all say specifically that the evil we inflict on ourselves is itself a corporate punishment in the here and now for humanity's idolatry. And God's people have it too, as Paul goes on to say in chapter 2. Anyone with any capability for self-reflection knows they have some of the items on this list, even if they happen to be straight. Wanna talk about insolent, arrogant, boastful, unfeeling, and unmerciful? I see plenty of that on this board.

My hope is that in seeing how screwed we really are, people will show a little bit of compassion for others who are in bondage to sins different from their own. And maybe a little bit of humility. But more likely, I just pissed off everybody on both sides of this debate. Flame away.

 

[Taken]

Cop out of an answer. You have said other choose their orientation but don't want the same to apply to you.

Open your ears. I was simply stating a FACT. No naturally born person CHOOSES own their Gender!
The Choosing of ones truth OR pretense, OCCURS after their natural Birth!

Amazing, i find hating others because they are different to be unnatural, odd, perverted and a glaring sign of weakness.

I find “hating” exactly what that means…
WHICH IS:
A “strong dis-like”….
Do you “LIKE” the minority of men naturally born with deformed limbs? Rare diseases? addictions? I don’t…and THEY are a minority.

I also find using terms to denigrate a minority to be bigoted.

So? I am Converted IN Christ, and as well in a minority class of Few…..So what?

The what, IS the difference in and of the individual Choices an individual MAKES regarding their natural born body’s Gender.

You think the Minority of ANY “grouping” (or supporter thereof) IS given some sort of magical pass to NOT BE criticized or openly disagreed with? That is laughable on it’s face.

If you think it commendable to engage in or otherwise support homosexuality that is your personal choice, and my disagreement with your choices is Expressly parallel with the truth of God, which I am Expressly comfortable with, regardless of your name calling.

 

[Wrangler]

Homosexuality is not a special kind of sin. If God forgives and saves sinners, (which he does) then God forgives and saves homosexuals.

The one caveat is that God only saves repentant sinners. The alphabet people are proud of their ongoing sin.

It is said that Jesus hung out with sinners but the truth is he hung out with repentant sinners. Big difference!