Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

[David in NJ]

"For Christ is the end ("purpose") of the law" - dictionary much?

"If ye love Me, keep MY commandments" - the Ten Commandments are the "commandments of Christ" given on Mount Sinai by the pre-incarnate Christ, as any scholar worth his salt will testify.

He also said Christians were to pray that their escape not be necessary on the Sabbath, which means He expected us to be observing it decades into the future.

They instructed by example - there are many many instances of Christians continuing to keep the Sabbath in the NT and not a single instance of Sunday keeping.

You keep asking questions, and when we answer them, you don't address the answers. Do you not care that your refusal to do so only serves to further diminish credibility in what you claim?

Oh boy are you a 'stretcher' - lol

[the] end
τέλος (telos)
Noun - Nominative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 5056: (a) an end, (b) event or issue, (c) the principal end, aim, purpose, (d) a tax.

Answer Sheet for your Grade School Test
Multiple Choice answers

a.) The law has served the purpose it was intended, which was to bring us to Christ.

b.) The Righteousness of God has appeared thru the LORD Jesus Christ, the law is no longer binding upon us.

c.) The law could never produce the Righteousness of God for us because no one but Christ is able to keep it.

d.) Attempting to keep the law will separate you from Christ.

e.) a & b are true

f.) c & d are true

g.) ALL of the Above are True

This is an Open Book Test

 

[Phoneman777]

JESUS never reiterated the 4th commandment because HE is the FULFILLMENT of it.

Wrong - where does it say "I fulfilled the Sabbath so you don't have to keep it"? You're making it up as y9ou go, right Dave?

Also, He said "keep My commandments" which includes the 4th.

He said that Christians were to pray to not have to escape on the Sabbath still being kept decades later.

This is why HE never commanded it in the Gospel but rather HE defied it and said: IAM LORD of the Sabbath

Such warped theology...you've been shown that He absolutely expected the saints to keep the Sabbath.

This is why HE so eagerly worked on the sabbath = "My Father works and now I WORK"

It's permissible to evangelize on Sabbath - we do it all the time.

When JESUS said "IT IS FINISHED" He completed the Work of the Law and Ended it for all who will believe on Him.

Anyone can see that you don't actually believe Christians are free to break the Ten Commandments because you don't have the courage to publicly say so.

It is a 'no-brainer' that the Ten commandments are to be kept - but not under the old covenant = SEE Jeremiah 31:31

Please read(again) the Gospel, then Acts, Hebrews, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians

Your sophistry won't work, neither will making cloudy what the Bible has made crystal clear:

Are Christians obligated to keep or free to disregard the Ten Commandments?

PLUCK UP THE COURAGE AND SAY WHICH.

 

[Phoneman777]

The arguments being used by Dave, big troll, are getting more and more desperate, and in that desperation, more and more extreme and nonsensical. I simply cannot believe that they could, in a week's time, explain even to themselves why they used them and said some of the things they said .
Neither of them can focus on any given point. Most posts they offer in response, don't have diddly squat to do with the topic.
I chose 'brakelite' as a user name, because I want people to react the same to my posts as they would if they were on the freeway and 50 yards ahead, the car in front displayed it's brake-lights. But the people here are doing everything except what you would expect.
A. Slow down.
B. Consider the options, because seriously, its a life and death situation.
C. Respond accordingly. Either U-turn, deviation, continue with caution.

But everyone here is just shooting from the hip, and not actually engaging in discussion. Just driving straight through traffic regardless the warning signals, and weaving in every direction possible to avoid engaging in the actual potential crisis ahead. Here's an example... Another straw man...

It's really pathetic. They jump from point to point, never pausing to discuss at length anything, stubbornly refusing to take a position, hovering on the peripheral of reality and fantasy.

You challenge them to lay their public declaration that Christians may freely disregard the Ten Commandments alongside our public declaration that God expects saved people to keep them as they're written...and they mock and laugh like foolish children instead of stepping up like men (or women) of character.

You demonstrate the Biblical distinction between God's Law written in stone and the Mosaic Law written in a book, but since the distinction completely undermines their theological foundation, they pretend it doesn't exist.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it - the OSAS License to Sin crowd is comprised of sin-loving children who simultaneously want to cling to both their sin and Jesus as Savior, but they want nothing to do with Him as their Lord to obey.

 

[Phoneman777]

Oh boy are you a 'stretcher' - lol

[the] end
τέλος (telos)
Noun - Nominative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 5056: (a) an end, (b) event or issue, (c) the principal end, aim, purpose, (d) a tax.

(c) the principle end, aim, purpose...

Didja miss that?

 

[David in NJ]

Wrong - where does it say "I fulfilled the Sabbath so you don't have to keep it"? You're making it up as y9ou go, right Dave?

Also, He said "keep My commandments" which includes the 4th.

He said that Christians were to pray to not have to escape on the Sabbath still being kept decades later.

Such warped theology...you've been shown that He absolutely expected the saints to keep the Sabbath.

It's permissible to evangelize on Sabbath - we do it all the time.

Anyone can see that you don't actually believe Christians are free to break the Ten Commandments because you don't have the courage to publicly say so.

Your sophistry won't work, neither will making cloudy what the Bible has made crystal clear:

Are Christians obligated to keep or free to disregard the Ten Commandments?

PLUCK UP THE COURAGE AND SAY WHICH.

where does it say "I fulfilled the Sabbath so you don't have to keep it"?

You MUST keep the Sabbath Rest of God or you will die in your sins.

The 7th Day of God's REST is Christ - it Always was, but we had to wait for Him to Appear and Fulfill it for us.

John 3:16-18 = REST or Death = same as Exodus 31:12-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Matthew 11:28
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Mark 10:17-21
Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”

So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

And he answered and said to Him, “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth.”

Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.”

 

[David in NJ]

(c) the principle end, aim, purpose...

Didja miss that?

i see you like to twist

[the] end
τέλος (telos)
Noun - Nominative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 5056: (a) an end, (b) event or issue, (c) the principal end, aim, purpose

AIM = Christ
Purpose = to bring us to Christ
law = the END


"The END of the purpose"

You definitely missed that Grade School level grammar and logic.

 

[Phoneman777]

where does it say "I fulfilled the Sabbath so you don't have to keep it"?

You MUST keep the Sabbath Rest of God or you will die in your sins.

The 7th Day of God's REST is Christ - it Always was, but we had to wait for Him to Appear and Fulfill it for us.

John 3:16-18 = REST or Death = same as Exodus 31:12-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Matthew 11:28
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Mark 10:17-21
Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”

So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

And he answered and said to Him, “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth.”

Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.”

Dave, since you're unwilling to state publicly that Christians do not have to obey the Ten Commandments, I really can't take you seriously anymore.

 

[Phoneman777]

i see you like to twist

[the] end
τέλος (telos)
Noun - Nominative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 5056: (a) an end, (b) event or issue, (c) the principal end, aim, purpose

AIM = Christ
Purpose = to bring us to Christ
law = the END


"The END of the purpose"

You definitely missed that Grade School level grammar and logic.

I think you missed either Reading Comprehension class --- or an eye exam.

It says "Christ is the END aka PURPOSE of the law". IOW, the purpose of the law is to sent us to Christ. The intrepid Martin Luther said it most beautifully:

"The law continually sends me to Christ, and then Christ continually sends me back to the law".

Luther knew James tells us that once we accept Christ, we're to periodically look into the "mirror" of the Law of Liberty to see if we've got any dirt on our face...to see if our lives are in alignment with the Lawgiver.

It remains to be seen what the pathetic OSAS License to Sin antinomian crowd does with James....perhaps it's explained to mean they're to take James' "mirror" and bash it into 1,000 pieces so they don't see how tightly they're clinging to sin, right?

 

[David in NJ]

Dave, since you're unwilling to state publicly that Christians do not have to obey the Ten Commandments, I really can't take you seriously anymore.

Since you do not understand the Gospel, you believe you must keep the law.

That is how BAD your religion is.

FYI - i never once stated that we do not keep the Ten commandments
But if you try to do so you will fail = everytime........just ask the LORD who died so that you can escape the Judgment.

Therefore we need Someone to keep them on our behalf as we walk in them, with Christ as the Way.

 

[David in NJ]

I think you missed either Reading Comprehension class or an eye exam.

It says "Christ is the END AKA PURPOSE of the law".

So Christ is the purpose of the law and now that we have Christ we keep the law also...............oh boy

i get it now, we had to wait for Christ so that we can now go back to the law and please God - right!

Better yet, now that Christ came, we can now build a 3rd temple and start the animal sacrifices so that our sins can be forgiven - Hooray!


Or, maybe, just maybe God wants us to believe this:

"before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor/law.

 

[Phoneman777]

So Christ is the purpose of the law and now that we have Christ we keep the law also...............oh boy

Yes! When confronted with the law, we say, "I'm guilty!" - then we go to Christ and ask Him to be both our Savior from sin AND our Lord to obey and He grants us both forgiveness from sin and power to obey! Then, we go look at the "mirror" of the law and see that we're not living according to it by His grace.

See, your satanic, OSAS License to Sin, false gospel which says "My sinful heart, salvation doesn't change - merely God's opinion of my sin that remains" has led you to believe that you may by dead faith obtain that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

i get it now, we had to wait for Christ so that we can now go back to the law and please God - right!

yes, once Christ is enthroned on our heart, we "keep His commandments and do those things which are pleasing in His sight".

Better yet, now that Christ came, we can now build a 3rd temple and start the animal sacrifices so that our sins can be forgiven - Hooray!

That's what the Jews that the modern Christian church worship wants to do: build a new temple, start up the sacrifices, and stick a middle finger in God's face...which is exactly what the OSAS crowd does, except their middle finger holds up that OSAS License to Sin in poor Jesus' face.

or, maybe, just maybe the Apostle Paul meant this:

"before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor/law.

So, we can now murder and steal and lie? LOLOL

Only spiritual children refuse to recognize Paul here is talking about the Mosaic Law of ceremonies and sacrifices, the many object lessons of which taught the Israelites about the coming Christ. Paul ain't talking about the Ten Commandments here, which are "holy, just, and good", and "forever and ever and are done in truth and uprightness".

Ain't you never read Psalms 111:7-8 KJV about when God wrote the Ten Commandments?

 

[David in NJ]

Yes! When confronted with the law, we say, "I'm guilty!" - then we go to Christ and ask Him to be both our Savior from sin AND our Lord to obey and He grants us both forgiveness from sin and power to obey! Then, we go look at the "mirror" of the law and see that we're not living according to it by His grace.

See, your satanic, OSAS License to Sin, false gospel which says "My sinful heart, salvation doesn't change - merely God's opinion of my sin that remains" has led you to believe that you may by dead faith obtain that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

yes, once Christ is enthroned on our heart, we "keep His commandments and do those things which are pleasing in His sight".

That's what the Jews that the modern Christian church worship wants to do: build a new temple, start up the sacrifices, and stick a middle finger in God's face...which is exactly what the OSAS crowd does, except their middle finger holds up that OSAS License to Sin in poor Jesus' face.

So, we can now murder and steal and lie? LOLOL

Only spiritual children refuse to recognize Paul here is talking about the Mosaic Law of ceremonies and sacrifices, the many object lessons of which taught the Israelites about the coming Christ. Paul ain't talking about the Ten Commandments here, which are "holy, just, and good, and "forever and ever".

NEWS FLASH = You cannot keep the Ten commandments and you will FAIL everytime.

The Ten Commandments are definitely TRUE, Righteous and to be kept = in Christ where God placed them.

We are to keep the commandments that Christ gave to us = "take up your cross and follow ME"

When we do that, the Holy Spirit empowers us to do the will of God = 'If you love ME keep MY commandments"

Which is why the LORD Jesus Christ never gave to us the saturday sabbath rest commandment.

HE replaced it with HIMSELF = "Come to ME and I will give you REST"

 

[Ziggy]

"Love is the fulfilling of the law."

How can we say we love God or our neighbor if we are breaking any of the first four or the last six?

We don't break them, we fulfill them, the same way Jesus showed us.

What did Jesus do on the Sabbath?
How did He keep it?

And those things which he did on the Sabbath, did he do it on the day only?
Or did he do it everyday?

How often was Jesus in the temple teaching?
Are you a temple of the Holy Spirit?
Are you taught daily? Do you eat the manna sent from God daily. Is Jesus your daily bread?

Luk 9:17
And they did eat, and were all filled: and there was taken up of fragments that remained to them twelve baskets.

Act 1:1
The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Act 1:2
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Act 1:3
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:4
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

What is the promise they were waiting for?

Jhn 10:9
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Heb 3:19
So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Enter into where?
Heb 3:17
But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18
And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

Act 1:3
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Jhn 6:35
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Jhn 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Jhn 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Jhn 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Jhn 15:12
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

So If God give you rest on the sabbath day, you aught to be giving others rest on the sabbath day. Because you are no longer a servant but a son. And the Son is Lord of the Sabbath. And he that knoweth to do good and does it not, to him it is SIN.

Do you only do good on one day of the week?

SHAME ON YOU.

Only one way to enter that strait and narrow gate. And Jesus is the door.
And on the other side of the door, or through the door is the promise of the Lord's rest.

Does the Holy Spirit stop working every seventh day?
Does he stop feeding us every seventh day?
Does he stop healing us every seventh day?

Or does he do these things everyday?

And if so everyday, and the Spirit of the Lord is IN YOU, then you aught to be doing the Lord's work EVERYDAY, by giving rest to others.

He washed the disciples feet, and we aught to wash one anothers feet.
That means we aught to give comfort to those in need.
And to wash off the dust from those who do not believe.

Gen 18:4
Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

Exo 30:21
So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.

Jhn 13:5
After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
Jhn 13:6
Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
Jhn 13:7
Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.

Jhn 13:12
So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
Jhn 13:13
Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Jhn 13:14
If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Jhn 13:15
For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Jhn 13:16
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Jhn 13:17
If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

Jhn 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jhn 13:35
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Jhn 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Have you washed somebody's feet today? Have you given of yourself to help ease their burdens?

Or is it all about YOU. And what God gave YOU.
He gave it to you to share with others because IT IS MORE BLESSED TO GIVE THAN TO RECIEVE.

You don't understand the meaning of the Sabbath and yet you seek to change the course of those who are following the Lord's Commandments.

Check yourself...

Jhn 8:5
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Jhn 8:6
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Jhn 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Jhn 8:8
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.


Dan 5:25
And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.
Dan 5:26
This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
Dan 5:27
TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
Dan 5:28
PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.


Act 13:46
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

chew on that
hugs

 

[Phoneman777]

NEWS FLASH = You cannot keep the Ten commandments and you will FAIL everytime.

"I can do ALL THINGS through Christ which strengtheneth me except keep the Ten Commandments." - Philippians 4:13.

Not sure what version that is, but I'll stick with the KJV.

 

[Phoneman777]

Since you do not understand the Gospel, you believe you must keep the law.

That is how BAD your religion is.

FYI - i never once stated that we do not keep the Ten commandments
But if you try to do so you will fail = everytime........just ask the LORD who died so that you can escape the Judgment.

Therefore we need Someone to keep them on our behalf as we walk in them, with Christ as the Way.

Here's why you don't understand the Gospel - you misread Scripture and believe God sent Jesus to save us "in" our sin and not "from" our sin.

The Bible talks about a those who prefer "smooth sayings" over the truth. Well, what could more "smoooooth" a saying than to say "grace is a OSAS License to Sin that exempts the licensee from from suffering the same punishment the unlicensed will suffer for doing the exact same thing the unlicensed does"?

 

[Phoneman777]

We don't break them, we fulfill them, the same way Jesus showed us.

What did Jesus do on the Sabbath?
How did He keep it?

And those things which he did on the Sabbath, did he do it on the day only?
Or did he do it everyday?

How can you "keep everyday holy" when God only made one day holy? How can you "keep" the fire burning in my fireplace if I don't first light one beforehand?

The commandment is simple: on the Sabbath day, lay aside our weekly work and labor and dedicate these holy hours to God, period. It's that simple.

"And hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth (Jesus) is not in him".

 

[BarneyFife]

We don't break them, we fulfill them, the same way Jesus showed us.

What did Jesus do on the Sabbath?
How did He keep it?

And those things which he did on the Sabbath, did he do it on the day only?
Or did he do it everyday?

How often was Jesus in the temple teaching?
Are you a temple of the Holy Spirit?
Are you taught daily? Do you eat the manna sent from God daily. Is Jesus your daily bread?

Luk 9:17
And they did eat, and were all filled: and there was taken up of fragments that remained to them twelve baskets.

Act 1:1
The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Act 1:2
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Act 1:3
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:4
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

What is the promise they were waiting for?

Jhn 10:9
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Heb 3:19
So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Enter into where?
Heb 3:17
But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18
And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

Act 1:3
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Jhn 6:35
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Jhn 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Jhn 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Jhn 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Jhn 15:12
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

So If God give you rest on the sabbath day, you aught to be giving others rest on the sabbath day. Because you are no longer a servant but a son. And the Son is Lord of the Sabbath. And he that knoweth to do good and does it not, to him it is SIN.

Do you only do good on one day of the week?

SHAME ON YOU.

Only one way to enter that strait and narrow gate. And Jesus is the door.
And on the other side of the door, or through the door is the promise of the Lord's rest.

Does the Holy Spirit stop working every seventh day?
Does he stop feeding us every seventh day?
Does he stop healing us every seventh day?

Or does he do these things everyday?

And if so everyday, and the Spirit of the Lord is IN YOU, then you aught to be doing the Lord's work EVERYDAY, by giving rest to others.

He washed the disciples feet, and we aught to wash one anothers feet.
That means we aught to give comfort to those in need.
And to wash off the dust from those who do not believe.

Gen 18:4
Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

Exo 30:21
So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.

Jhn 13:5
After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
Jhn 13:6
Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
Jhn 13:7
Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.

Jhn 13:12
So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
Jhn 13:13
Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Jhn 13:14
If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Jhn 13:15
For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Jhn 13:16
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Jhn 13:17
If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

Jhn 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jhn 13:35
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Jhn 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Have you washed somebody's feet today? Have you given of yourself to help ease their burdens?

Or is it all about YOU. And what God gave YOU.
He gave it to you to share with others because IT IS MORE BLESSED TO GIVE THAN TO RECIEVE.

You don't understand the meaning of the Sabbath and yet you seek to change the course of those who are following the Lord's Commandments.

Check yourself...

Jhn 8:5
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Jhn 8:6
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Jhn 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Jhn 8:8
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.


Dan 5:25
And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.
Dan 5:26
This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
Dan 5:27
TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
Dan 5:28
PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.


Act 13:46
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

chew on that
hugs

Pretty ugly stuff, Zig.
Very disappointing, actually.

 

[David in NJ]

"I can do ALL THINGS through Christ which strengtheneth me except keep the Ten Commandments." - Philippians 4:13.

Not sure what version that is, but I'll stick with the KJV.

Still BLIND?

From my Post #812

We are to keep the commandments that Christ gave to us = "take up your cross and follow ME"

When we do that, the Holy Spirit empowers us to do the will of God = 'If you love ME keep MY commandments"

 

[David in NJ]

Here's why you don't understand the Gospel - you misread Scripture and believe God sent Jesus to save us "in" our sin and not "from" our sin.

The Bible talks about a those who prefer "smooth sayings" over the truth. Well, what could more "smoooooth" a saying than to say "grace is a OSAS License to Sin that exempts the licensee from from suffering the same punishment the unlicensed will suffer for doing the exact same thing the unlicensed does"?

Still BLIND?

1 John ch2
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

I am writing to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven for his name’s sake.

Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Now if you declare that your Brothers & Sisters in Christ are in 'SIN' for worshipping on sunday then you commit sin.

 

[BarneyFife]

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Through long centuries the record of Elijah’s lifework has brought inspiration and courage to those who have been called to stand for the right in the midst of apostasy. For us it has special significance. History is being repeated. Our age is one of idolatry as truly as was the one in which Elijah lived. No outward shrine may be visible, yet thousands are following after the gods of this world—riches, fame, pleasure, and the fables that permit people to follow the inclinations of the unrenewed heart. Multitudes have a wrong concept of God and are as truly serving a false god as were the worshipers of Baal. Even among those who claim to be Christians, many have allied themselves with influences that are firmly opposed to God and His truth.

The prevailing spirit of our time is one of unbelief and apostasy. People exalt human theories and place them where God and His law should be. Satan tempts men and women with the promise that in disobedience they will find freedom that will make them as gods. We see a spirit that exalts human wisdom like an idol above divine revelation. People seem to have lost all power to tell the difference between light and darkness, truth and error. They believe that the opinions of a few philosophers, so-called, are more trustworthy than the truths of the Bible. They think that faith such as actuated Paul, Peter, and John is old-fashioned and unworthy of the intelligence of modern thinkers.

In the beginning, God gave His law to humanity as a means of their attaining happiness and eternal life. Satan’s hope is to lead men and women to disobey this law. He constantly tries to misrepresent it and belittle its importance. His master stroke has been to attempt to change the law itself, so as to lead people to violate its instructions while they profess to obey it. One writer has compared the attempt to change God’s law to an ancient mischievous practice of taking a signpost where two roads met and turning it in a wrong direction. This often caused great perplexity and hardship. God set up a signpost for those journeying through this world. One arm pointed out willing obedience to the Creator as the road to life, while the other indicated disobedience as the path to death. But in an evil hour for our race, the great enemy of all good turned the signpost around, and many people have mistakenly taken the wrong way.

Through Moses the Lord instructed the Israelites, “Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.” “It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.” Exodus 31:13, 17.

The Lord clearly defined obedience as the way to the City of God, but the “man of sin” has changed the signpost. He has set up a false sabbath and has caused men and women to think that by resting on it they are obeying the command of the Creator. When “the heavens and the earth ... were finished,” God exalted the seventh-day Sabbath as a memorial of His creative work. “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it.” Genesis 2:1, 3.

At the time of the Exodus God brought the Sabbath prominently before His people. In Egypt their taskmasters had tried to force them to labor on the Sabbath by increasing the amount of work required each week. But God delivered the Israelites from slavery and brought them to a place where they could freely observe all the instructions of the Lord. At Sinai God spoke the law and delivered a copy of it to Moses on two tables of stone, “written with the finger of God.” Exodus 31:18. And through forty years of wandering the Israelites were constantly reminded of God’s appointed rest day because every seventh day the manna did not fall, but the double portion that fell on the preparation day was miraculously preserved.

The Lord intended that by observing the Sabbath command, Israel would be reminded of Him continually as their Creator and Redeemer. While they kept the Sabbath in the proper spirit, idol worship could not exist; but if Israel set aside the claims of this divine instruction, they would soon forget the Creator. Yet “they rejected My ordinances and did not observe My statutes, and profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.” Ezekiel 20:16.

In calling the attention of Judah to the sins that finally brought the Babylonian Captivity on them, the Lord declared: “You have ... profaned My Sabbaths.” “Therefore I have poured out My indignation on them; I have consumed them with the fire of My wrath; and I have recompensed their deeds on their own heads.” Ezekiel 22:8, 31.

When Jerusalem was restored in the days of Nehemiah, he challenged the people’s Sabbathbreaking by asking them, “Did not your fathers do thus, and did not our God bring all this disaster on us and on this city? Yet you bring added wrath on Israel by profaning the Sabbath.” Nehemiah 13:18.

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