Hellfire and brimstone has given way to eternal separation from God. - Why?

[Jay Ross]

Hello Jay,
You are using one verse of God's Word to create a whole doctrine which you should not do.

Scripture says that doctrine is given "here a little, and there a little" and that the sum of God's Word is truth:

Ah Joe, you have judged my post on the few words that I put together to express the idea that only those who inhabit God's fertile field will be saved.

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The above verse is badly translated as what it states is that: - "the soul that sinneth, it shall suffer the second death."

As one of the advocates of the Universal Salvation Theory often states, there are many errors in the translations of the source text into our English Translations.

It seems to me that you have misunderstood the passage in Isaiah 28 as well.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

For this reason, Christ will convert all mankind just as He was sent by His Father to do:

Well in the case of the Rick Young Rules, Jesus failed to complete your expectation that he will "convert all mankind." I know that Jesus came so that all who wisely choses before they die a physical to believe in Christ and His salvation promises, however, it is still up to the individual person to turn from their wicked way back to God before they physically die.

Perhaps you should read Ezekiel 18 more closely and consider the Hebrew words found within the Hebrew text. Your understanding may change and you might live if you turn back to God living words instead of the context that you want to abide by.

Shalom

 

[FaithWillDo]

Ah Joe, you have judged my post on the few words that I put together to express the idea that only those who inhabit God's fertile field will be saved.



The above verse is badly translated as what it states is that: - "the soul that sinneth, it shall suffer the second death."

As one of the advocates of the Universal Salvation Theory often states, there are many errors in the translations of the source text into our English Translations.

It seems to me that you have misunderstood the passage in Isaiah 28 as well.



Well in the case of the Rick Young Rules, Jesus failed to complete your expectation that he will "convert all mankind." I know that Jesus came so that all who wisely choses before they die a physical to believe in Christ and His salvation promises, however, it is still up to the individual person to turn from their wicked way back to God before they physically die.

Perhaps you should read Ezekiel 18 more closely and consider the Hebrew words found within the Hebrew text. Your understanding may change and you might live if you turn back to God living words instead of the context that you want to abide by.

Shalom

Dear Jay,
The second death is the spiritual death that occurs from Christ's judgment. It is the spiritual destruction of the child of the devil. But that death is completed only after the person has been "born again" and made into a child of God.

As you said, the second death is the penalty of sin. However, I see no mention of "second" in the original Hebrew. But from other scripture, we can know that the penalty of death that we will pay for our sins is called the second death (here a little and there a little).

The second death is called the Lake of Fire (a symbol for Christ's judgment). When the Elect are judged in the Lake of Fire, they will not suffer the wrath of Christ because they are saved prior to their judgment (shown in Rev 19). For the lost of the final age however, they will suffer wrath because they are not saved when they are first cast into the lake. But before they perish from that judgment, Christ will have mercy upon them and give them the necessary faith to make His pathway straight for Him to come and give them the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit:

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Your judgment appears to be no different than that of the Pharisees. It omits justice, mercy and faith.

You have perverted judgment:

Job 34:12 Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.

Prov 28:5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

You said:
Well in the case of the Rick Young Rules, Jesus failed to complete your expectation that he will "convert all mankind." I know that Jesus came so that all who wisely choses before they die a physical to believe in Christ and His salvation promises, however, it is still up to the individual person to turn from their wicked way back to God before they physically die.

No person can wisely chose Christ until after Christ has given them the Spirit and the new birth. Until that happens, we are all children of the devil and will only follow Satan and his ways. To change that situation, Christ will come to us without our asking and without our permission. When He comes, He will freely give us the Holy Spirit and the new birth. Only after Christ does this work within us will we confess Jesus as Lord and be saved. We have no ability to contribute anything towards it. If Christ waited for mankind to act first, no one would ever accept Jesus as Lord.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Those who are saved in this present age have been chosen for this blessing by God before the foundation of the world:

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

The people who have been chosen for salvation in this age are called the Elect and are the FIRST FRUITS of Christ's harvest of mankind. They do not represent the full and complete harvest of mankind but only the early portion of His harvest. The complete harvest will occur at the end of the year (the final age).

The gospel you teach mixes "works" with faith. This is the "another gospel" that Satan teaches in the apostate church.

The true Gospel teaches that Christ is the Savior and He alone will do all that is necessary to convert us into children of God.

Christ is the one who causes us to repent of our works. Christ is the one who gives us our faith. Christ is the one who comes to us and gives us the Holy Spirit. Christ is the one judges us so that our old spiritual nature is destroyed. Christ does it all and for that reason, we are His "workmanship":

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

After an Elect person is converted, they will symbolically cast their crown before His throne because they recognize that all the glory for who they have become belongs solely to Christ:

Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders (a symbol for all the Elect) fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Mankind has no "works" which they can add to the complete and perfect work of Christ.

When a believer accepts Satan's "another gospel" which mixes "works" with faith, they will fall from grace (Gal 5:3-4). This is the sin that leads to death (1John 5:16) and is the deception that Satan uses to kill the saints (Mat 24:9 & Rev 11:7).

As for my expectation that Christ will fully complete the mission His Father gave Him, the faith that Christ gave me when I was converted fully convinced me of this truth. If Christ fails to save even one person, Christ would have "missed the mark" that His Father set for Him to achieve and that would be sin. But Christ cannot sin and will not miss the mark of saving mankind.

Why do you believe that Christ is going to fail to save all mankind? Who is more powerful than God and has the power to stop Christ from accomplishing His Father's "will"?

Is it Satan? Is it mankind?

Not hardly:

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Joe

 

[Jay Ross]

As you said, the second death is the penalty of sin. However, I see no mention of "second" in the original Hebrew. But from other scripture, we can know that the penalty of death that we will pay for our sins is called the second death (here a little and there a little).

That is so sad that you cannot see what is obvious within just one word. There is not need for the word "second" to be found in the Hebrew text in Ezekiel 18. Gen 2:17 actually reads as: -

“ . . . , for in the day that you eat of it you shall die the second death."

Where die the second death is found in the following two transliteral Hebrew words: - “mō·wṯ [H:4191] tā·mūṯ [h:4191]” where "mō·wṯ" in the Hebrew text has the meaning of "die" and not surely as our English translations suggest and "tā·mūṯ" in the Hebrew text has the meaning of "the second death."

Another way of considering this verse is that, if we sin then we become "candidates for the second death" and as Ezekile 18 suggest that if we repent of our sins then we will no longer be candidates for the Second death, but rather we will live.

Yes, Christ does draw people to Himself, but it is our choice to turn away from our sins and repent of them before Christ. It is after repenting that we are saves and it is only then that we are able to receive the Holy Spirit to help us to live righteously.

In Isaiah 58 God describes the form of the fast that He require of us: -

Isaiah 58:6-12: -

6 "Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
To loose the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the heavy burdens,
To let the oppressed go free,
And that you break every yoke?
7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
When you see the naked, that you cover him,
And not hide yourself from your own flesh?
8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,
Your healing shall spring forth speedily,
And your righteousness shall go before you;
The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
9 Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
You shall cry, and He will say, 'Here I am.'

"If you take away the yoke from your midst,
The pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness,
10 If you extend your soul to the hungry
And satisfy the afflicted soul,
Then your light shall dawn in the darkness,
And your darkness shall be as the noonday.
11 The Lord will guide you continually,
And satisfy your soul in drought,
And strengthen your bones;
You shall be like a watered garden,
And like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail.
12 Those from among you
Shall build the old waste places;
You shall raise up the foundations of two ages;
And you shall be called the Repairer of the Breach,
The Restorer of Streets to Dwell In.

In God's eyes, our actions speak louder than our petition for forgiveness of our sins.

We all must take the first steps in responding to Christ's drawing of us to Himself.

If we do not take the steps to respond to God's drawing of us to Himself, then the promised Salvation is not available for us to receive.

The word "All" does not necessarily mean "All" in the manner that you are applying it.

In Gen 12"3b, only those who inhabit God's fertile field and draw nourishment from that field will gain their Salvation and be Blessed by the Descendants of Abraham.

God give you every opportunity to gain your salvation, but the final responsibility rests only with us and is dependent on our willingness to respond with repentance for our turning away from God. God gives us this responsibility to choose either life or everlasting condemnation.

I am not being judgemental. I am only presenting the "facts" of the scriptures which you want to twist so that you are not responsible for your own salvation. You want Salvation on your terms and not God's terms. In other words, you are acting God like telling God to save you.

The question that springs to my mind is who the puppeteer is and who is the puppet. Have you put God in His rightful place for your life so that you can receive your Salvation.

Shalom

 

[FaithWillDo]

I am not being judgmental. I am only presenting the "facts" of the scriptures which you want to twist so that you are not responsible for your own salvation. You want Salvation on your terms and not God's terms. In other words, you are acting God like telling God to save you.

The question that springs to my mind is who the puppeteer is and who is the puppet. Have you put God in His rightful place for your life so that you can receive your Salvation.

Shalom

Dear Jay,
You said:
In God's eyes, our actions speak louder than our petition for forgiveness of our sins.
We all must take the first steps in responding to Christ's drawing of us to Himself.
If we do not take the steps to respond to God's drawing of us to Himself, then the promised Salvation is not available for us to receive.

How can any man take the "first steps" if no man seeks after God?

Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

And why would any man take the first steps since all mankind is carnally minded and hates God?

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

And why would any man take the first steps since the things of God are "foolishness unto him"?

1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Your doctrine of man's "works" is what the Old Covenant of Law is founded upon. The New Covenant is completely different. It is founded upon the works of Christ. Christ will do His works within mankind solely because of His Grace and NOT because of our works.

Why do you not believe the verses below?

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Are these verses "foolishness" to you? Is that why you reject them?

Those who are saved in this age (the Elect) are predestinated for salvation before they have "done any good or evil". Their election occurs prior to the foundation of the world. So why does God do it this way? He does it to satisfy His own purposes for this creation.

I have had some members on the forum say that God chose the Elect because He knew in advance who would accept Christ and who would not. But this belief is blasphemy and makes God out to be a liar and a fortune teller.

The verse below is where God's foreknowledge comes from:

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

God's foreknowledge comes from the certainty that His work will accomplish everything exactly as He has said and planned from the beginning. God leaves nothing up to chance or to man's "will". God chose the people who were to be blessed as heirs/First Fruits; they did not choose Him (John 1:12). God then does His work through Christ to make their salvation happen. God is not a fortune teller as some believe.

To begin the spiritual process of saving the people who have been chosen to be harvested early in this age, Christ will come to them and give them the Early Rain of the Spirit. With the Early Rain, the person will have a "measure of faith", will make a confession of faith and will have certain spiritual gifts. This is when they enter the church.

However, the Early Rain is only a "small amount" of the Spirit. It is not the baptism of the Spirit (the Latter Rain) which the Apostles received on the Day of Pentecost.

Deu 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain (Early Rain) upon the tender herb, and as the showers (Latter Rain) upon the grass:

Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain (Early Rain), and to the great rain (Latter Rain) of his strength.

Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in Jehovah your God; for he giveth you the former rain (Early Rain) in just measure, and he causes to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, in the first month.

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[FaithWillDo]

I am not being judgmental. I am only presenting the "facts" of the scriptures which you want to twist so that you are not responsible for your own salvation. You want Salvation on your terms and not God's terms. In other words, you are acting God like telling God to save you.

The question that springs to my mind is who the puppeteer is and who is the puppet. Have you put God in His rightful place for your life so that you can receive your Salvation.

Shalom

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Because the Early Rain of the Spirit is given in "just measure", it will leave the new believer spiritually blind and carnally minded (Mat 12:43-45). Because of these spiritual flaws, the believer will be incapable of learning the truth of God. As a result, the door will be opened for Satan's deceptions which will come to the believer via the spirit of anti-Christ. After the spirit of anti-Christ enters the believer, the Abomination of Desolation will occur in God's temple (the believer). This will cause the believer to "fall away" from faith and lose their salvation. They will then start following the "crooked way" of man's works which are taught to them by the crooked serpent (Job 26:13).

What I stated above is what caused the church to become apostate after Paul's death:

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

And this is why the church since that time follows another Jesus, another spirit and another gospel:

2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

All believers since the end of the 1st century A. D. will experience this "day of evil" (Prov 16:4).

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live (salvation) by bread (truth) alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

But since the Elect are chosen for salvation before they die, Christ will "come again" (the second coming of Christ) to His Elect and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit which will restore their salvation and confirm their inheritance:

Psa 68:9 Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful RAIN (the Latter Rain), whereby thou didst confirm thine inheritance, when it was weary (in a fallen away state).

Only a converted believer who has received both the Early and Latter Rains will have their spiritual blindness healed. This is when they will have "eyes that can see". These eyes are not carnal eyes - they are spiritual eyes. It is only at that time will the Elect believer be able to see the truth of God and accept His ways (Mark 8:21-25 & Acts 9:18-19).

Then to complete the Elect believer's salvation, judgment will fall on them (Mat 24:15). From this judgment, the spirit of anti-Christ and the Great Harlot (worsened carnal nature) will be removed from within them (Mat 24:40-41) and cast into the Lake of Fire for destruction (Rev 19:20). After this judgment is complete, the believer will be converted and will never fall away again.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

For the believers (the called but not chosen) who remain in the apostate church, Christ will not come to them a second time. As a result, they will die in their sins and will be resurrected to judgment with the unbelievers (Luke 12:46). But before they perish, Christ will have mercy upon them and give them the faith they need to make the pathway straight (faith alone) for Him to come to them. After the last person is saved, God will then be "all in all" and the ages will come to an end (1Cor 15:20-28).

You said:
I am not being judgmental. I am only presenting the "facts" of the scriptures which you want to twist so that you are not responsible for your own salvation. You want Salvation on your terms and not God's terms. In other words, you are acting God like telling God to save you.

The question that springs to my mind is who the puppeteer is and who is the puppet. Have you put God in His rightful place for your life so that you can receive your Salvation.

As Paul said, the things of God are "foolishness" to the natural man.

The natural man believes that there is something good within themselves and because of such, they can and must contribute toward their own salvation. The man of God knows that belief is a lie from Satan and that mankind is totally at the mercy of Christ to come to them and save them.

In the end, this verse will be true for every person who has ever lived:

Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

Joe

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
If you were damned to hell, but had the option to be crucified as Jesus was instead, which would you choose?
Eternal hell, or a one day crucifixion?

Jesus was sinless. I'm not.

The wages of sin is death, right? One life sentence.
Well, my earlier question was whether eternal conscious torment was justice.
If Jesus paid the price for everyone with his one life, why wouldn't the price of one life pay its own sin debt?
Is it justice to require endless death for one life sentence?

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[Dr. Jonathan Österman]

Eternal separation from God ??!!!​

Christian mystical Non-Duality means that we have never been separated from God, because the kingdom of God has always been deep within us (Luke 17:20–21). We have been children of God all along, and forever after, and God will never disown us, despite naturally being, like a loving mother, compassionately angry with us whenever we happen to harm ourselves with our sins, and threatening us with eternal Hell to sober us up. Because, being spiritually immature, we all, in essence, live lives of the prodigal son (or daughter) from the Biblical parable, God being a stern, but loving and forgiving Father, has been kindly allowing us to keep reincarnating for as long as we need in order to purify our mind by spiritually growing in our unconditional Love for all living creatures, including all the Buddhists, because Christ urged us to love even our enemies. For in God’s Heaven, there is only Divine Love and perfect harmony, all revelling in the Non-Dual divine Glory of God’s Holy Light.

Be still, and know that I am God. — Psalms 46:10

When our mind calmly meditates, we abide in stillness, in the silent presence of the occult Holy Light of the Omnipresent mind of God, and in the Holy Peace of God, which surpasses our conceptual thinking and understanding (Philippians 4:7), and thus we become more and more Enlightened by allowing our mind to gently and humbly bask in the glory of God’s all-pervading mystical Holy Light of His divine radiant luminous consciousness that is also hidden deep within our own mind being our True Self and our birth-right to have eternal life in God’s Heaven with our Lord Jesus Christ. We all are children of God’s Holy Light, including all the Buddhists, because the kingdom of God is within us all.

All of the above will be revealed also to you directly by God himself in your simple Christian meditation, which we discuss in the following thread on this forum:

https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/christian-meditation-and-interfaith-dialog.60309/

 

[St. SteVen]

Christian mystical Non-Duality means that we have never been separated from God, because the kingdom of God has always been deep within us (Luke 17:20–21). We have been children of God all along, and forever after, and God will never disown us, despite naturally being, like a loving mother, compassionately angry with us whenever we happen to harm ourselves with our sins, and threatening us with eternal Hell to sober us up. Because, being spiritually immature, we all, in essence, live lives of the prodigal son (or daughter) from the Biblical parable, God being a stern, but loving and forgiving Father, has been kindly allowing us to keep reincarnating for as long as we need in order to purify our mind by spiritually growing in our unconditional Love for all living creatures, including all the Buddhists, because Christ urged us to love even our enemies. For in God’s Heaven, there is only Divine Love and perfect harmony, all revelling in the Non-Dual divine Glory of God’s Holy Light.

Interesting post, thanks.

The "separation from God" aspect is pretty central to Protestant evangelicalism,
no matter which doctrine of the final judgement is believed.

Even Christian Universalism teaches that there will be an age of restoration to bring us back into right fellowship with God.

How does this Christian mystical Non-Duality differ in that regard?

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[Dr. Jonathan Österman]

How does this Christian mystical Non-Duality differ in that regard?

I do not pretend to be God's spokesperson, but in my humble opinion, this Christian mystical Non-Duality is pretty much in essential agreement with what you briefly described in response to my post.

However, make no mistake, this Christian mystical Non-Duality is not to be abused as a convenient excuse for serial sinning.

Because God works in mysterious ways, nobody knows for sure how exactly He works. :)

 

[St. SteVen]

I do not pretend to be God's spokesperson, but in my humble opinion, this Christian mystical Non-Duality is pretty much in essential agreement with what you briefly described in response to my post.

However, make no mistake, this Christian mystical Non-Duality is not to be abused as a convenient excuse for serial sinning.

Because God works in mysterious ways, nobody knows for sure how exactly He works. :)

Right. Every individual, nation, and leader will answer for their deeds.
These things need to be made right. Every one of us will be in need of correction, restoration, reconciliation and redemption.

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[Jack]

St. SteVen said:
If you were damned to hell, but had the option to be crucified as Jesus was instead, which would you choose?
Eternal hell, or a one day crucifixion?

Jesus is sinless. You and I are not. Jesus is God. We are not.

The wages of sin is death, right? One life sentence.
Well, my earlier question was whether eternal conscious torment was justice.
If Jesus paid the price for everyone with his one life, why wouldn't the price of one life pay its own sin debt?
Is it justice to require endless death for one life sentence?

Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED!

 

[St. SteVen]

Jesus is sinless. You and I are not. Jesus is God. We are not.

Did Jesus die to save you from God?



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[Jack]

Did Jesus die to save you from God?

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Jesus died to save me from my sins. AND the wrath of God.

 

[St. SteVen]

Jesus died to save me from my sins. AND the wrath of God.

I see.
So you agree that Jesus died to save you from God. (the wrath of God)

Could this be handled in a more humane way? No discussion, just a flame-thrower solution.



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[St. SteVen]

God is love?

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[Jack]

I see.
So you agree that Jesus died to save you from God. (the wrath of God)

True indeed! The Bible clearly warns of rebelling against God!

Could this be handled in a more humane way? No discussion, just a flame-thrower solution.

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Why don't you ask Jesus? He clearly warned us of "the everlasting fire". Don't you believe Jesus???

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[St. SteVen]

Why don't you ask Jesus? He clearly warned us of "the everlasting fire". Don't you believe Jesus???

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

I did ask Jesus.
But it appears that you got a different answer than I did.
Assuming you asked Jesus, rather than just believing what you were told by the church
and trusting unreliable Bible translations.

The scripture you quoted says the "everlasting fire" was prepared for the devil and his angels".
Why would you fear that? Was it made for you?

Don't you believe that you too will go to hell? Jesus said everyone.

Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

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[Jack]

I did ask Jesus.
But it appears that you got a different answer than I did.
Assuming you asked Jesus, rather than just believing what you were told by the church
and trusting unreliable Bible translations.

The scripture you quoted says the "everlasting fire" was prepared for the devil and his angels".
Why would you fear that? Was it made for you?

Don't you believe that you too will go to hell? Jesus said everyone.

Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

You have a different Jesus than Jesus of the Bible? Every English translation I have read warns of "the everlasting fire". Belief in Hell fire is not required for eternal residency therein.

 

[amadeus]

I did ask Jesus.
But it appears that you got a different answer than I did.
Assuming you asked Jesus, rather than just believing what you were told by the church
and trusting unreliable Bible translations.

The scripture you quoted says the "everlasting fire" was prepared for the devil and his angels".
Why would you fear that? Was it made for you?

Don't you believe that you too will go to hell? Jesus said everyone.

Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

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1co 3:11	For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1co 3:12	Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1co 3:13	Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1co 3:14	If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1co 3:15	If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

To me it seems that all of us need to and do go through the fire in order to burn away the wood, hay and stubble to purify/cleanse the gold, silver and precious stones.

Consider the following as well:

Heb 12:29

For our God is a consuming fire.

And this:

Da 3:22	Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
Da 3:23	And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
Da 3:24	Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
Da 3:25	He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

The strongest soldiers of the carnal king were slain when they got too close the fire, but the three Hebrews were not only unharmed but the ropes binding them were burned and they were joined by a fourth like unto the Son of God?

Who is the fourth within the flames? Do we have to go through the fire alone?

 

[St. SteVen]

Who is the fourth within the flames? Do we have to go through the fire alone?

Yes, I believe this is a good representation of the eternal fire.
Christ being there to guide the judgment, correction and restoration.

Here's another good example. The hot coal does not burn the prophet's lips.

Isaiah 6:5-7 KJV
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone;
because I am a man of unclean lips,
and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips:
for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.
6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand,
which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips;
and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

/ cc: @Jack