He that hates Me, Hates My Father also.

[amadeus]

The years tick on by my friend . days become weeks , weeks months , months years and years decades
BUT HE WHO LOVETH BELIEVETH ON JESUS THE CHRIST shall never die .
Our depature from this body shall only BE TO FOREVER BE WITH THE LORD in a far better place
and in new bodies forever praising HE who saved us . NOW THAT IS REAL HOPE my friend .
WHILE IT not yet be seen , WE SURE DO wait for it . IT ENDURES . To the trenches my friend
and with all hope and upmost urgency Let all that Name the NAME of CHRIST
depart from inquity and actually offer up real hope to these other poor lost souls .
For there is a huge difference between true hope and false hope .
False hope offers up ideas that WONT SAVE . TRUE HOPE offers up THE ONLY HOPE THERE IS that DOES SAVE , BELIEVE YE IN JESUS
the CHRIST and learn all things HE did teach .

In my worst times I read my Bible and talk to the Lord... but also in my best times. There is never a time when we can make it alone.

Joh 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

 

[Marvelloustime]

many lambs now feel the strains of how this world has become and worse christendom has become .
We can feel alone at times
Tis why i also do lots of bible reads with a few beleivers . one is in the UK .
The more we focus on the LORD the more our peace increases .
And what did paul also remind the church . TO take comfort in
The COMING OF THE LORD and that those who are gone now are forever in CHRIST .
HOME is what i look foreward too my friend . and when i say HOME , ITS NOT HERE , its not earthen
ITS WITH THE LORD . but We are here for a reason and that reason is THIS
NOT to find our home in this world , BUT TO POINT TO JESUS THE CHRIST and all lovely words of TRUTH .
This life , this vapor life cometh and then IS GONE . but eternal life be forever
and THAT IS ONLY FOUND IN JESUS THE CHRIST . so the message of YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM
Must remain .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

The years tick on by my friend . days become weeks , weeks months , months years and years decades
BUT HE WHO LOVETH BELIEVETH ON JESUS THE CHRIST shall never die .
Our depature from this body shall only BE TO FOREVER BE WITH THE LORD in a far better place
and in new bodies forever praising HE who saved us . NOW THAT IS REAL HOPE my friend .
WHILE IT not yet be seen , WE SURE DO wait for it . IT ENDURES . To the trenches my friend
and with all hope and upmost urgency Let all that Name the NAME of CHRIST
depart from inquity and actually offer up real hope to these other poor lost souls .
For there is a huge difference between true hope and false hope .
False hope offers up ideas that WONT SAVE . TRUE HOPE offers up THE ONLY HOPE THERE IS that DOES SAVE , BELIEVE YE IN JESUS
the CHRIST and learn all things HE did teach .

@amigo de christo

 

[quietthinker]

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[quietthinker]

Thats a really bad analogy.
When the truth is.. if you dont become a Christian, then your life over time, will be hell, and hopeless, and then you die and go to Hell.

The Christian is going to also face life, and life carries a big stick.. but God is always on the side of the born again... they exist in God's favor, and once they are become a Christians, then there is no chance they would go to hell, as Heaven is already become their home.

Jesus told us that if we never become a Christian... never trust in Him, then we "die in our sins", and that has a consequence.
The consequence is that this person has eliminated Heaven from their Eternity.

I think it's a really good analogy because it hits the nail on the head.
You think it's a really bad analogy because it exposes your flawed understanding of the character of God.

 

[quietthinker]

I’m right behind you two. My mom fell and broke her hip and her wrist. She is the nursing home now. Her dementia is getting worse. I visited her one day and fell walking into the nursing home. It was the second time I have fallen lately wearing heels. This last fall my face hit the pavement, my tooth went through my lip and my left chest and shoulder smacked the pavement too. It happened so fast. I told my mom later the first thing I thought of was all the times she has fallen. I told her I understand now. “It hurts to fall and it is also very embarrassing.” She use to say how embarrassed she was. I could not understand until I fell why she would be embarrassed. I wondered how many people in the nursing home saw from the their windows. I can’t wear heels anymore. And now instead of getting shopping carts for mom to hold onto ..I’m looking for them to steady me! I move slower and pay closer attention to my steps. I’ve been through this for years with mom, I’m right behind her. You mentioned walking in Him. I pray for less tripping over my own feet.and for less smacking my face on pavement! I’m glad to read you both are well!

I love you ViJ

 

[Behold]

I think it's a really good analogy because it hits the nail on the head.
You think it's a really bad analogy because it exposes your flawed understanding of the character of God.

God is not just Love. He is "A Jealous God"... for example, and He is a "long-suffering" God.

God is the God who Sent Jesus To the Cross, and He's the same God who burned into ash, a city filled with sexual perverts.
(He burned them).

Jesus said, "if you have seen ME, you have SEEN the Father.""

Jesus once made a Whip.. and took this WHIP into the Temple in Jerusalem, and used it to force all the "traders".. the "sellers" to have to run out of the building.
The Apostles saw this and were "freaked out" (Original greek text), and they remembered the OT verse that says.. "the Zeal of my Father's HOUSE, has EATEN ME UP"....

Welcome to : Jesus


God is not just your idea of Santa Claus. @quietthinker

Hell is as Real as Jesus.

 

[quietthinker]

God is not just Love. He is "A Jealous God"... for example, and He is a "long-suffering" God.

God is the God who Sent Jesus To the Cross, and He's the same God who burned into ash, a city filled with sexual perverts.
(He burned them).

Jesus said, "if you have seen ME, you have SEEN the Father.""

Jesus once made a Whip.. and took this WHIP into the Temple in Jerusalem, and used it to force all the "traders".. the "sellers" to have to run out of the building.
The Apostles saw this and were "freaked out" (Original greek text), and they remembered the OT verse that says.. "the Zeal of my Father's HOUSE, has EATEN ME UP"....

Welcome to : Jesus


God is not just your idea of Santa Claus. @quietthinker

Hell is as Real as Jesus.

sorry Behold, your stuff doesn't cut it. You have a picture of God that is not inline with Jesus. In fact, you misrepresent God in a religious cobbling that presents God as a schizophrenic monster.

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
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[MatthewG]

In my worst times I read my Bible and talk to the Lord... but also in my best times. There is never a time when we can make it alone.

Joh 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Hello John,

Yes!

 

[MatthewG]

I’m right behind you two. My mom fell and broke her hip and her wrist. She is the nursing home now. Her dementia is getting worse. I visited her one day and fell walking into the nursing home. It was the second time I have fallen lately wearing heels. This last fall my face hit the pavement, my tooth went through my lip and my left chest and shoulder smacked the pavement too. It happened so fast. I told my mom later the first thing I thought of was all the times she has fallen. I told her I understand now. “It hurts to fall and it is also very embarrassing.” She use to say how embarrassed she was. I could not understand until I fell why she would be embarrassed. I wondered how many people in the nursing home saw from the their windows. I can’t wear heels anymore. And now instead of getting shopping carts for mom to hold onto ..I’m looking for them to steady me! I move slower and pay closer attention to my steps. I’ve been through this for years with mom, I’m right behind her. You mentioned walking in Him. I pray for less tripping over my own feet.and for less smacking my face on pavement! I’m glad to read you both are well!

Hello Vij,

I woke up in a daze one day (last weekend). In the pantry a rat nestled into the bag that had potatoes in it. Opening up the pantry in a daze rustling sounds were emitted, and to my surprise this tiny rat jumped out in a leap which was 4 feet high off the ground right at me. In my dazed state, I wrentched backwards in my mind screaming “No!” Cause I didn’t want to get bit. I tripped over my own feet and as I turned around to get my balance I smashed my forearm into the marble and boy it hurt. It was also embarrassing. This story also reminds me of how I face-planted on the concrete sidewalk in front of a carpet store when I feel face forward toward it, and the time I ran into a blue truck and smashed my head into it not paying attention in that same parking lot. (These last two involved me being on bicycle)

All the best to you, and may Christ Jesus hold you above the weighted worldly waters of the world.

 

[Behold]

sorry Behold, your stuff doesn't cut it.

"Pauline Theology" is my "stuff"

You have a picture of God that is not inline with Jesus.

Jesus told you.. "if you've seen me, you've seen the Father."" so, the deeds of the Father and the Deeds of the Son are "ONE".

In fact, you misrepresent God in a religious cobbling that presents God as a schizophrenic monster.

Actually, Its John Calvin who presents and teaches that God is a Cosmic Psychopath, who wont allow some people to trust in Christ.

Calvin is Cross Denying Lying Devil...., and his theology, is hellish.

 

[amadeus]

Hello John,

Yes!

Hello old friend. Good to see you on here.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

God is not just Love. He is "A Jealous God"... for example, and He is a "long-suffering" God.

Why does God hand them over to a reprobate mind? even handing them over to satan so that they may learn not to blasphemy the name of God? Why does God hand them over to satan that they may learn? Why does Paul echo the same in putting them without the church for the destruction of the flesh, so the spirit may be saved? Why was Job handed over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, but in the end restored with better than the first? Why in Numbers 5 when a woman is suspected of going aside after another, leaving her husband she is brought before the priest. As Jesus Christ was brought before men. Jesus Christ was brought before the reprobate mind. The husband is jealous suspecting Guilt of blasphemy, suspecting another seed is in (they said such in “He has a devil”). Yet by the body of Christ, you also brethren —your husband is dead, and you are free to bear fruit unto God. Fear not drinking of the cup of the law of jealousies that causes you, for I overcome death. Numbers 5 and Romans 7 show the woman who is clean, not guilty and she bears fruit. Romans 7 says by the body of Christ you are Free from the Law of Jealousies. Under the law of jealousies there are priest who have infirmities…yet there is but One Priest over the House of God who —while priest with infirmities by reason of death were not able to continue—we having a High Priest who overcome death and we continue in and by and through Him.

Point is using jealousies as why there are two natures to God. We forget they dig a pit and fall into their own pit they dug for others. Through out the word it’s set a snare for other, yet catching yourself. It’s to do harm unto others, but it’s themselves they harm. You don’t see a pattern of those opposing their own selves? Doing harm to themselves. No God is not Santa. he does give them over to their vain imaginations …but who destroys them? What I read is God gives them over that they may learn, they may be taught to not blaspheme His name. Even the terror of the Lord is there is a weapon formed against you …going back to the beginning where if you do well the weapon formed against you will not prosper, but if you do evil then be afraid. It is hard where Paul says to put that which is evil without the body for its destruction. But in all the accounts I read it’s handed over to satan. Isn’t this primarily what the hell doctrine teaches as well? That Satan rules a place of torment and those who are are not saved are tossed into hell to be tormented forever by Satan? Only thing is in this doctrine men present there is NO chance of “that they might learn not to blaspheme God”. It is a forever place of fire which burns and consumes. Where satan is with his pitch fork and torments them with fire never ending.

God is the God who Sent Jesus To the Cross, and He's the same God who burned into ash, a city filled with sexual perverts.
(He burned them).

Yet our weapons are not carnal, they are spiritual for the pulling down of strong holds? God is Spirit?

Jesus said, "if you have seen ME, you have SEEN the Father.""

Jesus once made a Whip.. and took this WHIP into the Temple in Jerusalem, and used it to force all the "traders".. the "sellers" to have to run out of the building.
The Apostles saw this and were "freaked out" (Original greek text), and they remembered the OT verse that says.. "the Zeal of my Father's HOUSE, has EATEN ME UP"....

It was the people —the poor, the broken—they devoured and have eaten up. Same as when Jesus Christ met Paul on the road and asked “Saul, Saul, why to you persecute Me?” It was the body of Jesus Christ that Paul imprisoned and was taking before men to be judged and sentenced to death.
Same above in “the zeal of my Fathers’s Houses, has eaten Me up.” It was Paul’s persecutions of His body. It was their zeal having eaten up the House of God. Beautiful is still Jesus Christ standing not to prove His wrath, but instead His love for the things of God. Same with Paul
Acts 22:19-20 And I said, Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on you: [20] And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.

Like the widow. A widow is one whose husband is dead. Christ is going to the cross for the fatherless and widows. paul tells his brothers in Romans 7 they are also widows by the body of Christ their husband is dead, free to marry another, even Him who raised from the dead to serve in Newness and not oldness of the letter which kills. Luke 20:46-47 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts; [47] Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation. Galatians 5:15 But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you be not consumed one of another.
No, God is no Santa Claus in putting forth that if you destroy one another, take Heed, that you be not destroyed one of another. (Is this God destroying or disobeying you consume and devour yourselves?). If we believe in the doctrine of torment and hell that consumes and devours. Do we believe if you bite and devour we should be careful we don’t devour and consume each other?

 

[ChristinaL]

sorry Behold, your stuff doesn't cut it. You have a picture of God that is not inline with Jesus. In fact, you misrepresent God in a religious cobbling that presents God as a schizophrenic monster.

God is a loving Father but He is not some limp wristed weak minded fool. He is a perfect righteous sinless Judge who cannot abide sin in His presence. the same with God the Son.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

God is a loving Father but He is not some limp wristed weak minded fool

Curious why you wrote “He is not some limp wristed?” I think gay? Or do you mean limp wristed as sissy-like? Is this what you meant or was the wording accidental to paint a picture? Of a “Weak minded fool.” “for My strength is made perfect in weakness”

For me …we pit God’s love against His strength, saying He is both, when His love IS His Strength.

what are we saying in he isn’t some limp wristed weak minded fool? Is God’s Love, Mercy and Forgiveness some limp wristed weak minded fool? Because we say God is not only Love(guys) …He is Wrath too.

 

[ChristinaL]

Curious why you wrote “He is not some limp wristed?” I think gay? Or do you mean limp wristed as sissy-like? Is this what you meant or was the wording accidental to paint a picture? Of a “Weak minded fool.” “for My strength is made perfect in weakness”

For me …we pit God’s love against His strength, saying He is both, when His love IS His Strength.

what are we saying in he isn’t some limp wristed weak minded fool? Is God’s Love, Mercy and Forgiveness some limp wristed weak minded fool? Because we say God is not only Love(guys) …He is Wrath too.

Some people see God as all encompassing love, embracing everyone sins and all so yes that does make Him a weak fool in their eyes even if they dont see it that way. He is a God of love but also Justice and Wrath

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Some people see God as all encompassing love, embracing everyone sins and all so yes that does make Him a weak fool in their eyes even if they dont see it that way. He is a God of love but also Justice and Wrath

Revenge…vengeance…wrath. man subscribes its meanings. I’m not saying God is not also revenge …vengeance…wrath…but in the following “revenge” does not look the same as how man defines “revenge”.

2 Corinthians 10:1-12 Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you: [2] But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. [3] For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: [4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) [5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; [6] And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. [7] Do you look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's. [8] For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed: [9] That I may not seem as if I would terrify you by letters. [10] For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible. [11] Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present. [12] For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

It was the same back when Jesus Christ come to the Jews. They asked for a Lion and not a Lamb. You may be right that if we desire a Lion, God will give us a Lion.

 

[quietthinker]

God is a loving Father but He is not some limp wristed weak minded fool. He is a perfect righteous sinless Judge who cannot abide sin in His presence. the same with God the Son.

He walked among us 30 odd years. Didn't he abide our sin?
Adam and Eve hid from him (their only best friend) and God went looking for them bringing gifts. Isn't that abiding sin?

In regard to being a limp wristed weak minded fool.....hmmmmm, why didn't he just scrub Lucifer from existence at the outset of his rebellion? God has tolerated him for eons . Is that being 'limp wristed' or is it being loooooong suffering?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Some people see God as all encompassing love, embracing everyone sins and all so yes that does make Him a weak fool in their eyes even if they dont see it that way. He is a God of love but also Justice and Wrath

I don’t see God as embracing everyone’s sins. Do you see Jesus Christ as as weak? I doubt you do. What is it about a Jesus Christ you see as power and strength instead of weakness?