He that hates Me, Hates My Father also.

[MatthewG]

I’m sorry I was referring toHebrews 13:11-13 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. [13] Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

Hello vij,

I’ll have to take a look at that closer because I’m sure though not positive the Old Testament has something to do with what’s being said there. I’ve looked in to Gods wrath and found it not last forever. Thank you for sharing this with me. Isn’t Thus chapter the last one?

It’s the one prior; Where it mentions to the Hebrews how they were not the ones who came to the mountain with lighting and thundering and dark clouds but a new one?


Chapter 12

Chapter 13


Great stuff here, @VictoryinJesus. For certain, “Yahavah is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?”

This is a Thompson chain reference Bible, maybe I’ll take time to go more in depth one day! I have appreciated your conversation and hope you well in the Lord Yeshua, and all others!

 

[Brakelite]

I think you guys are over- thinking what God has already been only too pleased to reveal of Himself. You are second guessing and placing too much emphasis on one aspect because as humans, that one aspect happens to be dominant throughout society and doesn't have any kind of appreciation of how that aspect, being judgment, is intricately connected to mercy, grace, and love, and is overshadowed by those qualities. Some of you demonstrate the conifers lack of love, mercy, and grace in your posts. Judgement is a strange and foreign aspect of God's character and only exists because of necessity. Quietthinker has it right. If you want to know what God is like, learn who Jesus is, because Jesus came to reveal the Father to an unbelieving deceived and distorted mindset.
“1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; ”
Hebrews 1:1-2 KJV

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Unfeigned Bible

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Do you get what God is saying in those first verses of Hebrews? He is speaking through Jesus. Jesus Himself said that those things He had been doing were in fact the Father's works. Everything Jesus did, spoke, and demonstrated, was a mirror reflection of the character of the God of the OT. Yet that in itself is a misnomer. Whatever you read in the OT was in fact Jesus demonstrating the Father's love. Imploring man everywhere to repent.
“10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. ”
1 Peter 1:10-11 KJV
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The Spirit of Christ was in who? The prophets. Going all the way back to Noah, even Enoch.

“18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. ”
1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV
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The bolded portion above. What is that saying? It is saying that Jesus, by the Holy Spirit in Noah preached to those who were then in the prison house of slavery to sin. Preaching righteousness and warning of impending judgment, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. When did He preach to those sinners? In the days of Noah. It's all there in the verses, but a sizable portion of modern Christians have a completely different idea that distorts the truth. God was in Christ when Christ gave His life a ransom for mankind. Jesus and the Father aren't of different characters. They are alike. In all things. They are not 2 different gods, contradicting one another by their attitude and behaviour. Please.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Brakelite,

Yahavah was terrifying to the Israelites in some respects. Just as they were terrified, even Moses who said “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling!” When he had went upon on the mountain to meet with Yahavah, it’s something to consider; those today it’s very different! It seems to me Yahavah had changed his prior standing though most do not even know that; Yahavah was always changing to fit the needs of his people, however they did whatever they wanted to just like when some Israelites hordes away mana and it turns to maggots. There was cursing an and blessing upon them, even the wrath of Yahavah was going to come upon them. They became so callous in their hearts in that day and age even Yeshua stated that “they profess God but their hearts are far from me.”

I don’t just take what someone says on here and automatically agree with them, not always because people tend to be wrong, and that wrong comes from being unlearned, not saying you yourself are right or are wrong; but I’ve learned that people say they read the Bible but they miss thing and also can misrepresent things spoken thereof.

(I’m fixing to use (we) as a generality and not speaking of a whole.)

While today we don’t have to be fearful of Yahavah, we can see him in Awe! We haven’t come to the place they did with fear and trembling, we have come to a place where we can have complete relationship with the living God, concerning the heavenly Jerusalem.

That is just my two cents, sir. For what it’s worth it couldn’t be worth than the several minutes I spent writing. Grace, peace, mercy, forgiveness are all encompassed in Yahavah, and his Word made flesh made Yahavahs Word true and I love that about how Yahavah works with people individually and it’s like a two way street one believes in him and let them work on them, if they so choose too, and Yahavah will do so if they permit it.

That is how maturity works. But behind the pulpit even today it’s screamed “if you don’t change your ways; you’re going to hell and Yahavahs wrath abides on you!” Which is by far in my opinion far away from truth.

Extra thought:
Jesus was terrifying to the Jewish priest and leaders who seen him as a threat. It also seems that he some terrifying things to the seven churches of Asia Minor!

Thank you for your time reading.

 

[Brakelite]

Hello @Brakelite,

Yahavah was terrifying to the Israelites in some respects. Just as they were terrified, even Moses who said “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling!” When he had went upon on the mountain to meet with Yahavah, it’s something to consider; those today it’s very different! It seems to me Yahavah had changed his prior standing though most do not even know that; Yahavah was always changing to fit the needs of his people, however they did whatever they wanted to just like when some Israelites hordes away mana and it turns to maggots. There was cursing an and blessing upon them, even the wrath of Yahavah was going to come upon them. They became so callous in their hearts in that day and age even Yeshua stated that “they profess God but their hearts are far from me.”

I don’t just take what someone says on here and automatically agree with them, not always because people tend to be wrong, and that wrong comes from being unlearned, not saying you yourself are right or are wrong; but I’ve learned that people say they read the Bible but they miss thing and also can misrepresent things spoken thereof.

(I’m fixing to use (we) as a generality and not speaking of a whole.)

While today we don’t have to be fearful of Yahavah, we can see him in Awe! We haven’t come to the place they did with fear and trembling, we have come to a place where we can have complete relationship with the living God, concerning the heavenly Jerusalem.

That is just my two cents, sir. For what it’s worth it couldn’t be worth than the several minutes I spent writing. Grace, peace, mercy, forgiveness are all encompassed in Yahavah, and his Word made flesh made Yahavahs Word true and I love that about how Yahavah works with people individually and it’s like a two way street one believes in him and let them work on them, if they so choose too, and Yahavah will do so if they permit it.

That is how maturity works. But behind the pulpit even today it’s screamed “if you don’t change your ways; you’re going to hell and Yahavahs wrath abides on you!” Which is by far in my opinion far away from truth.

Extra thought:
Jesus was terrifying to the Jewish priest and leaders who seen him as a threat. It also seems that he some terrifying things to the seven churches of Asia Minor!

Thank you for your time reading.

Perfect love casts out fear. Israel was terrified for the same reason Adam and Eve his behind the bushes when God came walking by. Sin. Fear of death. There is no reason to be afraid of God. Unless iniquity fills one's heart and there is fear of judgment. I am not afraid of God. I trust He loves me. Not because of anything I have or haven't done... but because God has promised to conquer sin on my behalf.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Brakelite,

I think that is wonderful, and I love you for sharing! Please understand that yes, you are right there is no reason to be afraid of Yahavah. All people are able to get to him, even if they don’t know everything in the Bible, or even everything about Jesus. It’s most certainly an aspect of faith and seeking out God in spirit and truth. However, there are people out there who make Yahavah a scary God. That’s the point of this whole thread at hand. Yahavah was terrifying, that’s the truth. However because of what the only Begotten Son had done, and his wrath being poured out upon Israel. This lead to the reconciliation of the world. That to me is wonderful, and awespiring.

Thank you for writing back to me.

 

[MA2444]

Man's imagination knows no bounds. The inspiration for the most outrageous captures man's attention easily. Just look at the plethora of Hindu god's which millions deem worthy of worship.

Guarding our hearts from fantastical intrusions in the world of imagination is a good move. How do we do it? By looking at God's revelation of himself in Jesus.....and using that measure to determine all else. Everything else is speculative mumbo jumbo.....and surprisingly and alarmingly most prefer the mumbo jumbo option.....just like most preferred to not believe Noah that a flood of unprecedented proportions was on its way.

So is that I have suspected that Sasquatches may be Nephilim, or is it Genesis 6 that is mumbo jumbo?

Keep in mind that I wasnt reading a Hindu bible!

 

[quietthinker]

So is that I have suspected that Sasquatches may be Nephilim, or is it Genesis 6 that is mumbo jumbo?

Keep in mind that I wasnt reading a Hindu bible!

Mumbo jumbo is for all intents and purposes, cobbling scantly available information poorly and creating scenarios from a vivid imagination .

 

[MA2444]

Mumbo jumbo is for all intents and purposes, cobbling scantly available information poorly and creating scenarios from a vivid imagination .

It may have used to be scantly available but it's not anymore. Many Pasyors are teaching about it now.. There is a slew of teaching videos about it on youtube.

I understand that I do have a vivid imagination but when so much scripture talks about it it becomes less of an imagination and more of understanding and reality. I didnt imagine this up on my own. My attention was brought to it (way back in the 90's) so I think it may be being premature to call it mumbo jumbo, but it is a real teaching from the Bible.

Would you like me to start a thread about it? We can toss it around some and I could post some of the better teachings on video about it if you like.

There is more to this than cunningly devised fables my friend. Either that or what do you think I should do with Genesis 6:1-4 in my bible? Ignore it as too fantastical to believe? But that's the word of God?

 

[MA2444]

It may have used to be scantly available but it's not anymore. Many Pasyors are teaching about it now.. There is a slew of teaching videos about it on youtube.

I understand that I do have a vivid imagination but when so much scripture talks about it it becomes less of an imagination and more of understanding and reality. I didnt imagine this up on my own. My attention was brought to it (way back in the 90's) so I think it may be being premature to call it mumbo jumbo, but it is a real teaching from the Bible.

Would you like me to start a thread about it? We can toss it around some and I could post some of the better teachings on video about it if you like.

There is more to this than cunningly devised fables my friend. Either that or what do you think I should do with Genesis 6:1-4 in my bible? Ignore it as too fantastical to believe? But that's the word of God?

I'll take that as a no you dont want to toss it around, lol. That's fine.

Please understand that I am not asking you to believe it because of what I say. You read good and can do your own homework on it and make up your own mind.

I'm saying that in those teaching videos about Nephilim convinced me to the truth of it. So it is something for us to keep in the back of our mind if we ever run into a sasquatch. Chuck Misslers Retirn of the Nephilim #1 & #2 goes through the 3 different views on the Nephilim scriptures and (to me) two of the theories are debunked and be shown to be false and that leaves the Angel view spoken of in Genesis 6 (1-4) and it makes a lot of sense. So it is a very thorough teaching.

I'll leave it alone here but I do still suggest doing a verse by verse study of Genesis. There's at least a couple Genesis verse by verse videos on youtube that come to mind.
Yes they are a series of videos. But Genesis is a big book!

 

[amadeus]

Thank you for responding. Great reminders!

Agree. That was in my thoughts when asking this question. “Does anyone misunderstand the Father we read about in the OT?” I misunderstood God. I can relate to the verse concerning “they hated Me without cause.” I get this was regarding Jesus Christ being crucified. But it also makes me think of hating His Father without cause also. That was definitely me hating the Father of the Son without cause too. I use past tense not because I have it figured out, but because I no longer see the Father of Jesus Christ as a tyrant, a hater of women and those weak in the bondage of sin, as a gavel-echoing judge. I projected a lot onto the Father hating Him without cause.

Mostly I only wanted others to think about it. I’m thankful I didn’t listen to the counselor to stay out of the OT.

Another good reminder

How are you John? How is your wife?

We are both doing well. We move slowly but thank God we continue to move in Him.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

We are both doing well. We move slowly but thank God we continue to move in Him.

I’m right behind you two. My mom fell and broke her hip and her wrist. She is the nursing home now. Her dementia is getting worse. I visited her one day and fell walking into the nursing home. It was the second time I have fallen lately wearing heels. This last fall my face hit the pavement, my tooth went through my lip and my left chest and shoulder smacked the pavement too. It happened so fast. I told my mom later the first thing I thought of was all the times she has fallen. I told her I understand now. “It hurts to fall and it is also very embarrassing.” She use to say how embarrassed she was. I could not understand until I fell why she would be embarrassed. I wondered how many people in the nursing home saw from the their windows. I can’t wear heels anymore. And now instead of getting shopping carts for mom to hold onto ..I’m looking for them to steady me! I move slower and pay closer attention to my steps. I’ve been through this for years with mom, I’m right behind her. You mentioned walking in Him. I pray for less tripping over my own feet.and for less smacking my face on pavement! I’m glad to read you both are well!

 

[amadeus]

I’m right behind you two. My mom fell and broke her hip and her wrist. She is the nursing home now. Her dementia is getting worse. I visited her one day and fell walking into the nursing home. It was the second time I have fallen lately wearing heels. This last fall my face hit the pavement, my tooth went through my lip and my left chest and shoulder smacked the pavement too. It happened so fast. I told my mom later the first thing I thought of was all the times she has fallen. I told her I understand now. “It hurts to fall and it is also very embarrassing.” She use to say how embarrassed she was. I could not understand until I fell why she would be embarrassed. I wondered how many people in the nursing home saw from the their windows. I can’t wear heels anymore. And now instead of getting shopping carts for mom to hold onto ..I’m looking for them to steady me! I move slower and pay closer attention to my steps. I’ve been through this for years with mom, I’m right behind her. You mentioned walking in Him. I pray for less tripping over my own feet.and for less smacking my face on pavement! I’m glad to read you both are well!

I have not fallen in a while. I always have either a cart or a person to steady me or a motorized cart to ride in. My wife is able to walk longer than me, but she is more inclined to fall so she is extra careful in that respect. Two weeks ago they put in my 3rd set of pacemaker batteries. My initial pacemaker was placed in 2004. This one they give a 13.4 year life. If I live so long I would then be 94... Hmm God knows about that.

 

[Raccoon1010]

A question to reflect on. This is on my mind today. Years ago when I was seeking counsel for anxiety and panic attacks and fear, I shared with the counselor how I had built a cage and imprisoned myself and now I could not get free from the cage. The counselor asked me “who opens the door to the cage?” At the time I wasn’t reading the word and couldn’t remember a single verse …no matter how many times the counselor quoted to me “perfect love cast out fear”. Every session I couldn’t remember those words. I asked the counselor where to begin? The counselor said “Read the New Testament. Stay out of the Old Testament because you won’t like the God of the Old Testament.”

Here is the question I’m thinking on this morning where People don’t like the God of the Old Testament. But love Jesus Christ. How can we hate the God of the Old Testament if He is the Father of Jesus Christ? Can this be right: We love Jesus. but we hate His Father? For this is what the Son said of His Father. “They hated both Me and My Father.”
“but this comes to pass, that the word be fulfilled that is written in their law, they hated Me without cause.

if we have hated the Son without cause,
have we hated also His Father without cause?

If we have hated the Father without cause, have we hated also the Sin without cause?

pyrethroid

Any thoughts?

Hello @VictoryinJesus. I see you are a seasoned member of older nature on the forums. I am concerned if you are struggling with fear issues and seeing a counselor that directs any shunning of any portion of the bible as I find no fault in it's teachings for the vast majority of the NKJV translations.

I am wondering if you are asking for help and direction for your illness? I did notice that you wanted people to reflect on a message you stated in the OP: "If we have hated the Father without cause, have we hated also the Sin without cause?".

I don't believe "we" is a proper reflection direction as I'm not sure the percentage of Christians that dislike the old testament. A mature Christian in Christ enjoys the entire bible as well as other texts that are available from those historical eras. I know they have what's called "Red Letter Christians" and I think that is a more rare type of Christian idea that centers around a certain bible that makes all of Jesus' statements "red" to allow the readers to be aware of what the Master, Jesus the Lord is saying. I believe it comes from the emphasis that the Father made when speaking on an issue:

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 17 - New King James Version

Matthew 17:1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”

5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!” 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. 7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, “Arise, and do not be afraid.” 8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.

And that "red letter" emphasized bible was created for an intention which was good. I think people took that idea to an extreme and ignored every other area of the bible accept the happy and loving messages which most, but not all are written in the new testament.

The Holy Ghost is found in service to the Lord and he certainly provides that without fear:

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5:22-25 - New King James Version

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

The question I have for you is this: Have you been baptized, confirmed with the Holy Spirit by priests of God's church and also received the bread and wine of the new covenant of Jesus the Christ our Lord? If not then that is an important matter to consider.

As far as fear? There is adult direction on the matter that is not a childish counseling matter that they discuss from what I know. Fear and Aggression are natural responses to certain conditions in life. That is the area of fight or flight. That can induced adrenaline in the body which is intended by God to give strength and rapid physical agility to fight off a predator or flee from one effectively. That is a normal and natural condition of what I think was described to me as all human and animal life on the planet.

As far as counseling, you might look for some stress or threatening problem in life that needs a solution and plan to overcome. I would certainly seek God on those matters as he does love us his children and desires our salvation.

I would also avoid discussing "fear, anxiety and panic attacks" with a counselor as they have this failed idea of discussing things or matters of the heart to bring them to the surface. Their idea is that they hope for a healing of issues. But from what I saw in that area, it just reminds the person of that fear and brings it to mind for more current attacks. The medicine for that that we as children can apply is to leave that discussion in the past, move on and plan for good living environment for us and others, that escapes or resolves threatening matters that affect our health and well being.

Remember God is the only one that can heal someone of an illness as far as those matters, and I believe any matter of mind, heart, body or spirit. God is certainly able to heal us and desires us to be happy children. That was the desire that he had when he created life on earth as Adam and then Eve.

Also remember that the old testament is probably the Lord Jesus on direction to God's children of matters back then. I know God the Father had spoken in areas of that era and also new testament era. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are our God.

Hoping for your happiness in Christ our Lord.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I have not fallen in a while. I always have either a cart or a person to steady me or a motorized cart to ride in. My wife is able to walk longer than me, but she is more inclined to fall so she is extra careful in that respect. Two weeks ago they put in my 3rd set of pacemaker batteries. My initial pacemaker was placed in 2004. This one they give a 13.4 year life. If I live so long I would then be 94... Hmm God knows about that.

My mom will be 94 this February. After watching her decline I don’t want to live to be 94. Mom was good until her upper eighties but since then, it has been a painful decline. It makes me often think of the verse on “they seek death but can’t find it” I get those words are in the middle of nothing that says it means what I’m suggesting. But still, I can’t help think of it during all the times she has cried out to die or begged “why won’t God let me die!” It’s usually when she is in extreme pain and wants an escape. It scares me though, making me doubt the desire to live forever in this decaying body.

 

[amadeus]

My mom will be 94 this February. After watching her decline I don’t want to live to be 94. Mom was good until her upper eighties but since then, it has been a painful decline. It makes me often think of the verse on “they seek death but can’t find it” I get those words are in the middle of nothing that says it means what I’m suggesting.

Now in my worst times, I wish I could die because this old body cannot do so many things I once enjoyed. I know that kind of thinking is wrong as the appointed time of my end is not to be of my choosing but God's When I get so down... I strive to reach out to Him for He indeed always knows what I need. Indeed He knows better than I.

When our old pastor was nearly all alone in this world, my wife and I would pray that God would lift the burden of that man from us. We were for several years his only physical support. It was hurting us as the weight grew heavier, but we were careful in our prayers to ask always for not our will but for God's will. Finally at the age of 97 in 2022, God took him us. We miss but are at the same time thankful that the burden has been lifted from us. Give God the glory!

But still, I can’t help think of it during all the times she has cried out to die or begged “why won’t God let me die!” It’s usually when she is in extreme pain and wants an escape. It scares me though, making me doubt the desire to live forever in this decaying body.

While I have pain, my worst times are of loneliness. Of my close friends only one remains and he lives in California while I am some 1500 miles away in Oklahoma. My wife and family are close and helpful, but a lot of empty places remain. I lean more heavily than ever on my wife who is seven years younger than me. When I speak to her of leaving this place finally, she steers me away from such talk... but still it is what it is.

 

[amigo de christo]

A question to reflect on. This is on my mind today. Years ago when I was seeking counsel for anxiety and panic attacks and fear, I shared with the counselor how I had built a cage and imprisoned myself and now I could not get free from the cage. The counselor asked me “who opens the door to the cage?” At the time I wasn’t reading the word and couldn’t remember a single verse …no matter how many times the counselor quoted to me “perfect love cast out fear”. Every session I couldn’t remember those words. I asked the counselor where to begin? The counselor said “Read the New Testament. Stay out of the Old Testament because you won’t like the God of the Old Testament.”

Here is the question I’m thinking on this morning where People don’t like the God of the Old Testament. But love Jesus Christ. How can we hate the God of the Old Testament if He is the Father of Jesus Christ? Can this be right: We love Jesus. but we hate His Father? For this is what the Son said of His Father. “They hated both Me and My Father.”
“but this comes to pass, that the word be fulfilled that is written in their law, they hated Me without cause.

if we have hated the Son without cause,
have we hated also His Father without cause?

If we have hated the Father without cause, have we hated also the Sin without cause?

How do we reconcile having hated the God of the Old Testament, we love the Son of the New Testament?

Any thoughts?

we cant reconcile it . but mark my words well , if folks hate the GOD of the old test
THEY DO HATE THE JESUS CHRIST Of the new .
puzzled . let me explain . THEY actually cant stand the JESUS of the bible
and at most twist a few of his statements out of text . TRY really reading the new test .
SEE what JESUS said to folks who BELIEVE NOT on HIM . see how he warned
SEE how he warned even the churches from heaven . HE and HIS FATHER ARE ONE . most follow another jesus .

 

[amigo de christo]

Now in my worst times, I wish I could die because this old body cannot do so many things I once enjoyed. I know that kind of thinking is wrong as the appointed time of my end is not to be of my choosing but God's When I get so down... I strive to reach out to Him for He indeed always knows what I need. Indeed He knows better than I.

When our old pastor was nearly all alone in this world, my wife and I would pray that God would lift the burden of that man from us. We were for several years his only physical support. It was hurting us as the weight grew heavier, but we were careful in our prayers to ask always for not our will but for God's will. Finally at the age of 97 in 2022, God took him us. We miss but are at the same time thankful that the burden has been lifted from us. Give God the glory!

While I have pain, my worst times are of loneliness. Of my close friends only one remains and he lives in California while I am some 1500 miles away in Oklahoma. My wife and family are close and helpful, but a lot of empty places remain. I lean more heavily than ever on my wife who is seven years younger than me. When I speak to her of leaving this place finally, she steers me away from such talk... but still it is what it is.

many lambs now feel the strains of how this world has become and worse christendom has become .
We can feel alone at times
Tis why i also do lots of bible reads with a few beleivers . one is in the UK .
The more we focus on the LORD the more our peace increases .
And what did paul also remind the church . TO take comfort in
The COMING OF THE LORD and that those who are gone now are forever in CHRIST .
HOME is what i look foreward too my friend . and when i say HOME , ITS NOT HERE , its not earthen
ITS WITH THE LORD . but We are here for a reason and that reason is THIS
NOT to find our home in this world , BUT TO POINT TO JESUS THE CHRIST and all lovely words of TRUTH .
This life , this vapor life cometh and then IS GONE . but eternal life be forever
and THAT IS ONLY FOUND IN JESUS THE CHRIST . so the message of YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM
Must remain .

 

[amadeus]

many lambs now feel the strains of how this world has become and worse christendom has become .
We can feel alone at times
Tis why i also do lots of bible reads with a few beleivers . one is in the UK .
The more we focus on the LORD the more our peace increases .
And what did paul also remind the church . TO take comfort in
The COMING OF THE LORD and that those who are gone now are forever in CHRIST .
HOME is what i look foreward too my friend . and when i say HOME , ITS NOT HERE , its not earthen
ITS WITH THE LORD . but We are here for a reason and that reason is THIS
NOT to find our home in this world , BUT TO POINT TO JESUS THE CHRIST and all lovely words of TRUTH .
This life , this vapor life cometh and then IS GONE . but eternal life be forever
and THAT IS ONLY FOUND IN JESUS THE CHRIST . so the message of YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM
Must remain .

I hear you very well my friend and brother in Christ. Give God the glory!

 

[Behold]

marry me and we will live happily ever after, don't marry me and I'll make your life hell...

Thats a really bad analogy.
When the truth is.. if you dont become a Christian, then your life over time, will be hell, and hopeless, and then you die and go to Hell.

The Christian is going to also face life, and life carries a big stick.. but God is always on the side of the born again... they exist in God's favor, and once they are become a Christians, then there is no chance they would go to hell, as Heaven is already become their home.

Jesus told us that if we never become a Christian... never trust in Him, then we "die in our sins", and that has a consequence.
The consequence is that this person has eliminated Heaven from their Eternity.

 

[amigo de christo]

I hear you very well my friend and brother in Christ. Give God the glory!

The years tick on by my friend . days become weeks , weeks months , months years and years decades
BUT HE WHO LOVETH BELIEVETH ON JESUS THE CHRIST shall never die .
Our depature from this body shall only BE TO FOREVER BE WITH THE LORD in a far better place
and in new bodies forever praising HE who saved us . NOW THAT IS REAL HOPE my friend .
WHILE IT not yet be seen , WE SURE DO wait for it . IT ENDURES . To the trenches my friend
and with all hope and upmost urgency Let all that Name the NAME of CHRIST
depart from inquity and actually offer up real hope to these other poor lost souls .
For there is a huge difference between true hope and false hope .
False hope offers up ideas that WONT SAVE . TRUE HOPE offers up THE ONLY HOPE THERE IS that DOES SAVE , BELIEVE YE IN JESUS
the CHRIST and learn all things HE did teach .