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A question to reflect on. This is on my mind today. Years ago when I was seeking counsel for anxiety and panic attacks and fear, I shared with the counselor how I had built a cage and imprisoned myself and now I could not get free from the cage. The counselor asked me “who opens the door to the cage?” At the time I wasn’t reading the word and couldn’t remember a single verse …no matter how many times the counselor quoted to me “perfect love cast out fear”. Every session I couldn’t remember those words. I asked the counselor where to begin? The counselor said “Read the New Testament. Stay out of the Old Testament because you won’t like the God of the Old Testament.”

Here is the question I’m thinking on this morning where People don’t like the God of the Old Testament. But love Jesus Christ. How can we hate the God of the Old Testament if He is the Father of Jesus Christ? Can this be right: We love Jesus. but we hate His Father? For this is what the Son said of His Father. “They hated both Me and My Father.”
“but this comes to pass, that the word be fulfilled that is written in their law, they hated Me without cause.

if we have hated the Son without cause,
have we hated also His Father without cause?

If we have hated the Father without cause, have we hated also the Son without cause?

How do we reconcile having hated the God of the Old Testament, we love the Son of the New Testament?

Any thoughts?
 
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A question to reflect on. This is on my mind today. Years ago when I was seeking counsel for anxiety and panic attacks and fear, I shared with the counselor how I had built a cage and imprisoned myself and now I could not get free from the cage. The counselor asked me “who opens the door to the cage?” At the time I wasn’t reading the word and couldn’t remember a single verse …no matter how many times the counselor quoted to me “perfect love cast out fear”. Every session I couldn’t remember those words. I asked the counselor where to begin? The counselor said “Read the New Testament. Stay out of the Old Testament because you won’t like the God of the Old Testament.”

Here is the question I’m thinking on this morning where People don’t like the God of the Old Testament. But love Jesus Christ. How can we hate the God of the Old Testament if He is the Father of Jesus Christ? Can this be right: We love Jesus. but we hate His Father? For this is what the Son said of His Father. “They hated both Me and My Father.”
“but this comes to pass, that the word be fulfilled that is written in their law, they hated Me without cause.

if we have hated the Son without cause,
have we hated also His Father without cause?

If we have hated the Father without cause, have we hated also the Sin without cause?

How do we reconcile having hated the God of the Old Testament, we love the Son of the New Testament?

Any thoughts?
How well do we know Jesus? Is it not in the same measure that we know His Father?

Joh 14:8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Joh 14:10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Does anyone misunderstand the Father we read about in the OT? Does anyone misunderstand the Jesus we read about in the NT? Does anyone understand both? When will we... if ever?

1jo 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 

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A question to reflect on. This is on my mind today. Years ago when I was seeking counsel for anxiety and panic attacks and fear, I shared with the counselor how I had built a cage and imprisoned myself and now I could not get free from the cage. The counselor asked me “who opens the door to the cage?” At the time I wasn’t reading the word and couldn’t remember a single verse …no matter how many times the counselor quoted to me “perfect love cast out fear”. Every session I couldn’t remember those words. I asked the counselor where to begin? The counselor said “Read the New Testament. Stay out of the Old Testament because you won’t like the God of the Old Testament.”

Here is the question I’m thinking on this morning where People don’t like the God of the Old Testament. But love Jesus Christ. How can we hate the God of the Old Testament if He is the Father of Jesus Christ? Can this be right: We love Jesus. but we hate His Father? For this is what the Son said of His Father. “They hated both Me and My Father.”
“but this comes to pass, that the word be fulfilled that is written in their law, they hated Me without cause.

if we have hated the Son without cause,
have we hated also His Father without cause?

If we have hated the Father without cause, have we hated also the Sin without cause?

How do we reconcile having hated the God of the Old Testament, we love the Son of the New Testament?

Any thoughts?

Hello VIJ,

I love Yahavah, the Father! Many people choose not to use a name. Im okay with him, killing off people as it was in the Old Testament. Why? There was a reason why for every time of it to protect the family line which was promised in turn to come to the King, the sent WORD of God, made flesh. I believe that Yahavah has changed now due to sin being taken care of. I used to not give 2 cents of a dang about Jesus and used to mock him, and even at one time thought I was god (not being Mormon it was of a different line of thinking just because I thought I had the power and control.) I had a lot of hatred, and even so there was times that came along when I was so angry and mad at myself I would pray to Yahavah before I even knew his name. Asking him not to send me to hell, and I barely knew him or his son. The Old Testament had blessings and curses upon the Tribes of Israel and they were all for a reason. There are many things to learn from the Old Testament, even I believe Jesus says something to the effect "Those who have read the Old Testament and understand it can bring out new treasures from old stories!" That was a parable that spoke of him and him being founded in the Old Testament, but the holy spirit had also changed in my opinion just as Yahavah changed in looking at the world when Yeshua had reconciled the world by his Father and through the messiah being the Word of God made flesh, and gave his life willingly for the Father in heaven.

To me it is beautiful, and most people do not like the God of the Old Testament. Who has a name, which many people do not care for... It's pretty rad, what has happened and now that the world is reconciled to the LORD GOD, people choose from the tree of life or the tree of good and evil.

Because Sin... it's been taken care of, but so many people today love to harp on that behind the pulpit... when Yahavah works with individuals... subjectively... and it's not really anyone's business what people's issues may be... though people can share and congregate by the gate either entering into sanctification in Christ, or say to Yahavah, no thanks, dude. Don't help me.
 

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How well do we know Jesus? Is it not in the same measure that we know His Father?

Joh 14:8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Joh 14:10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Thank you for responding. Great reminders!
Does anyone misunderstand the Father we read about in the OT? Does anyone misunderstand the Jesus we read about in the NT? Does anyone understand both? When will we... if ever?
Agree. That was in my thoughts when asking this question. “Does anyone misunderstand the Father we read about in the OT?” I misunderstood God. I can relate to the verse concerning “they hated Me without cause.” I get this was regarding Jesus Christ being crucified. But it also makes me think of hating His Father without cause also. That was definitely me hating the Father of the Son without cause too. I use past tense not because I have it figured out, but because I no longer see the Father of Jesus Christ as a tyrant, a hater of women and those weak in the bondage of sin, as a gavel-echoing judge. I projected a lot onto the Father hating Him without cause.

Mostly I only wanted others to think about it. I’m thankful I didn’t listen to the counselor to stay out of the OT.
1jo 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Another good reminder ❤️

How are you John? How is your wife?
 

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Hello VIJ,

I love Yahavah, the Father! Many people choose not to use a name. Im okay with him, killing off people as it was in the Old Testament. Why? There was a reason why for every time of it to protect the family line which was promised in turn to come to the King, the sent WORD of God, made flesh. I believe that Yahavah has changed now due to sin being taken care of. I used to not give 2 cents of a dang about Jesus and used to mock him, and even at one time thought I was god (not being Mormon it was of a different line of thinking just because I thought I had the power and control.) I had a lot of hatred, and even so there was times that came along when I was so angry and mad at myself I would pray to Yahavah before I even knew his name. Asking him not to send me to hell, and I barely knew him or his son. The Old Testament had blessings and curses upon the Tribes of Israel and they were all for a reason. There are many things to learn from the Old Testament, even I believe Jesus says something to the effect "Those who have read the Old Testament and understand it can bring out new treasures from old stories!" That was a parable that spoke of him and him being founded in the Old Testament, but the holy spirit had also changed in my opinion just as Yahavah changed in looking at the world when Yeshua had reconciled the world by his Father and through the messiah being the Word of God made flesh, and gave his life willingly for the Father in heaven.

To me it is beautiful, and most people do not like the God of the Old Testament. Who has a name, which many people do not care for... It's pretty rad, what has happened and now that the world is reconciled to the LORD GOD, people choose from the tree of life or the tree of good and evil.

Because Sin... it's been taken care of, but so many people today love to harp on that behind the pulpit... when Yahavah works with individuals... subjectively... and it's not really anyone's business what people's issues may be... though people can share and congregate by the gate either entering into sanctification in Christ, or say to Yahavah, no thanks, dude. Don't help me.
One of the first studies I did was looking at all God the Father said in the Old Testament to put without in an unclean place. I had questions just like others on forums that say God is cruel. I don’t know why I studied this collection in the unclean place without the gate. I’ve read on forums people ask why this one and not that one was put without. Like why a woman raped but not her rapist. It’s been a long time since I read all those put without in an unclean place. I remember it was a place where the spoils of war; children and women were taken. It sounds offensive. If I had been alive at the time of lepers being put without I would have no doubt accused God of being hateful, and a contradiction to Jesus Christ who touched the lepers. Yet, what I see is Jesus Christ going without the gate to suffer for a people, to cleanse a people in His own blood, to prepare a people who are sick and in need of a physician. And then to read Paul saying, let us go without the gate to meet Him, let us go without the gate to bear His reproach. It reconciled why Jesus Christ touched the lepers. Why He heard the woman who had a blood issue and no man could heal her of her blood issue. What I called hateful in the Old Testament, now I saw it is possible God was preparing a people without the gate, while people on forums say He is hateful to put those things without in an unclean place, i want to suggest “is God hateful, or foreseeing the Son would go without the gate (to bear their reproach)to suffer without the gate”? God the Father had patience and long-suffering for the time of his visitation for those outcast and downtrodden?

Thank you for sharing your journey Matthew? You have a lot to contribute! You have been through so much by what I’ve gathered by your post. It’s beautiful that you don’t hate God without a cause.
 

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A question to reflect on. This is on my mind today. Years ago when I was seeking counsel for anxiety and panic attacks and fear, I shared with the counselor how I had built a cage and imprisoned myself and now I could not get free from the cage. The counselor asked me “who opens the door to the cage?” At the time I wasn’t reading the word and couldn’t remember a single verse …no matter how many times the counselor quoted to me “perfect love cast out fear”. Every session I couldn’t remember those words. I asked the counselor where to begin? The counselor said “Read the New Testament. Stay out of the Old Testament because you won’t like the God of the Old Testament.”

Here is the question I’m thinking on this morning where People don’t like the God of the Old Testament. But love Jesus Christ. How can we hate the God of the Old Testament if He is the Father of Jesus Christ? Can this be right: We love Jesus. but we hate His Father? For this is what the Son said of His Father. “They hated both Me and My Father.”
“but this comes to pass, that the word be fulfilled that is written in their law, they hated Me without cause.

if we have hated the Son without cause,
have we hated also His Father without cause?

If we have hated the Father without cause, have we hated also the Sin without cause?

How do we reconcile having hated the God of the Old Testament, we love the Son of the New Testament?

Any thoughts?
Satan had so infiltrated the culture of Israel that their picture of the Character of God was formed by misconceptions.....thus they strayed easily into the the practices and habits of the surrounding pagan nations. The Prophets, with the best intentions nevertheless wrote from a position of a misconception of the Character of God.

It was Jesus who radically altered the picture of the Character of God. The Jews never anticipated that their Messiah would actually be the God who freed them from Egypt and led them through the Red Sea. Their minds were too small to understand God's magnanimity. They had built a cage around themselves and could not, would not escape its confines. They killed their liberator!

We as Christians are in danger of doing the very same thing.
 

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And how does that work?
By insisting that the character of God is a genocidal drowning and burning of people deity. Also by insisting that God's character as described by some of the OT prophets eclipses that revealed by Jesus.
 

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By insisting that the character of God is a genocidal drowning and burning of people deity.

There are 2 spiritual situations that exist, regarding humanity as a whole.

You have these...>>>""""you are of YOUR FATHER .. The DEVIL, and the lusts of your FATHER, you shall do""""

They are found here........>: John 3:36.

Then, you have..

The Born again, in Christ.....and their FATHER, is Jesus's Father.


So, the difference between those 2, regarding their Nature, as one is "one with God" and the other is "the lusts of YOUR FATHER, (the Devil) you shall do"".... is so great and so unreconcilable, that God had to create a place of Eternal Life for one, and a place of eternal death for the other, as both are exactly that, as "spirits".

Hell, was created before Adam was created.
It was created for the Devil, and His angels.. and now He has sons of the devil, who are the.. "you are of your Father the Devil'.. Jesus said.
This is everyone who is not "BORN AGAIN" by GOD's Spirit., so that they change spiritual Fathers.....
So.......children of the Devil are going to end up with their Father.... and their SIN that is unforgiven, is going to be judged..
Hell is just the beginning of that judgment., as it gets worse.

GOD, sent Jesus to The Cross so that everyone can avoid God's eternal judgment...

So, if they wont have it, if they reject Christ, and die never born again of HIS Father..... then they chose JUDGMENT, they chose HELL.
 

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There are 2 spiritual situations that exist, regarding humanity as a whole.

You have these...>>>""""you are of YOUR FATHER .. The DEVIL, and the lusts of your FATHER, you shall do""""

They are found here........>: John 3:36.

Then, you have..

The Born again, in Christ.....and their FATHER, is Jesus's Father.


So, the difference between those 2, regarding their Nature, as one is "one with God" and the other is "the lusts of YOUR FATHER, (the Devil) you shall do"".... is so great and so unreconcilable, that God had to create a place of Eternal Life for one, and a place of eternal death for the other, as both are exactly that, as "spirits".

Hell, was created before Adam was created.
It was created for the Devil, and His angels.. and now He has sons of the devil, who are the.. "you are of your Father the Devil'.. Jesus said.
This is everyone who is not "BORN AGAIN" by GOD's Spirit., so that they change spiritual Fathers.....
So.......children of the Devil are going to end up with their Father.... and their SIN that is unforgiven, is going to be judged..
Hell is just the beginning of that judgment., as it gets worse.

GOD, sent Jesus to The Cross so that everyone can avoid God's eternal judgment...

So, if they wont have it, if they reject Christ, and die never born again of HIS Father..... then they chose JUDGMENT, they chose HELL.
You have a confused and maligned understanding of the character of God, Behold.
You have not understood Jesus or his intentions of making clear God's character.
 

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I would suggest a verse by verse study of the entire book of Genesis. I think if one doesnt understand Genesis, then they will have a hard time understanding the NT. It is very relevant.

After I returned to the Lord in a serious way after He saved my life in 2009, My entire understanding of God has changed. No longer is the God of the OT a mean and angry God. He has been trying to save us with a rescue mission ever since and I have come to understand that, the only reason for the genocide and women & children too was being mercifu to His people, the humans. Those races of people that God told them to wipe out were hybrids and had altered DNA that was only 50% human. And so the Nephilim (Gen 6) will never be redeemable and Joshua never did finish wiping out all the tribes that God told him to! And oddly enough, it is the same areas that are still under dispute today in Israel.

God created man and has a plan for man. Not hybrids. The flood took most of them out but some are still here. Noah was erfect in his generations (DNA), so he was saved. God could have wiped earth out and started over, but because God so loved the world He is saving us instead. He is not an angry God. He is not mean! He is a nice guy!
 

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I would suggest a verse by verse study of the entire book of Genesis. I think if one doesnt understand Genesis, then they will have a hard time understanding the NT. It is very relevant.

After I returned to the Lord in a serious way after He saved my life in 2009, My entire understanding of God has changed. No longer is the God of the OT a mean and angry God. He has been trying to save us with a rescue mission ever since and I have come to understand that, the only reason for the genocide and women & children too was being mercifu to His people, the humans. Those races of people that God told them to wipe out were hybrids and had altered DNA that was only 50% human. And so the Nephilim (Gen 6) will never be redeemable and Joshua never did finish wiping out all the tribes that God told him to! And oddly enough, it is the same areas that are still under dispute today in Israel.

God created man and has a plan for man. Not hybrids. The flood took most of them out but some are still here. Noah was erfect in his generations (DNA), so he was saved. God could have wiped earth out and started over, but because God so loved the world He is saving us instead. He is not an angry God. He is not mean! He is a nice guy!
You have assumed too much re hybrids (Nephilim) MA2444.
The flood was an event coming because of factors independent of God. It was God who sent an advance warning for the purpose of saving...even rebels....but they would not be saved.
The message of Jesus is in the same vein. He would save rebels but they will not be saved. They will destroy themselves by their refusal to 'enter the Ark'.
 

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You have assumed too much re hybrids (Nephilim) MA2444.
The flood was an event coming because of factors independent of God. It was God who sent an advance warning for the purpose of saving...even rebels....but they would not be saved.
The message of Jesus is in the same vein. He would save rebels but they will not be saved. They will destroy themselves by their refusal to 'enter the Ark'.

Too much huh?

I started hearing about Nephilim back in the 90's through Chuck Missler. Oh he's a wonderful teacher! He has wrote books about the return of the Nephilim and has slew of videos on Youtube about it.

He was a very eduacated man and used scripture constantly. And he was fond of saying, but dont believe me, read it for yourself. And I did, and I understood. Personally, I dont think talking about Nephilim is premature or assuming too much...not in our world where so many Sasquatches live. I think the sasquatches must be modern day Nephilim.

That tells me one big thing I think. They are most likely highly intelligent creatures and have been hiding from man all this time. There's more footage of Sasquatches now than ever. Maybe because everyone has a camera on them now, or else...time is short and they wll show themselves soon? (Another end of days nightmare upon the people?) I know one thing, I want a to have a big caliber gun instead of a 9mm if I ever run into one! But I advise never to trust them even if they seem friendly.
I would think that if Sasquatches are Nephilim, then we would have power over them "In Jesus Name" right?

But hey Brother, I hope I am dead wrong! But it sorta fits.It would explain who and what the Sasquatches really are. I've never seen one and I stomped around the Rocky Mountains for 30 years! But can they all be lying? I hardly think that is possible.
 

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You have a confused and maligned understanding of the character of God, Behold.

Do you only see God as a type of Santa Claus in Heaven, giving out gifts to child molesters and people that put Jewish babies in hot ovens in Israel last Oct 7 , '2023 ?
Do you really feel that just because a person has to pay for their crime on earth, that they should not pay for their life of sin, after they die?

Hell, is the balancing of all the sin, of all the wrong, committed on earth.
If it was not Fair, then God would not have provided it.

Have you never said....>"how can that person, who is so terrible, keep getting away with hanging thousands of citizens in Iran, because they didnt wear their head-wrap correctly.

HELL, is the just balance for that....... And so many more evils that men do, that are never uncovered.

You know, God is Love..but that is not all.. He is a God of Justice and Righteousness and Holiness.
Its the long-suffering of God that is the only reason that He continues to give sinners a chance to go to Heaven.

God is a HOLY eternal spiritual being who allowed the body of His Virgin born Son to be so mutilated, even before Jesus went to the Cross to hang on it.. that the NT records that Jesus was "marred beyond recognition".
You could not tell who he was, anymore.......and that was before He was nailed to The Cross.

Its a "fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God'.. having never received His Son, as your Savior..

Reader, if you "somehow" found my post, and you have not yet solved your eternity.. then Jesus is your Eternal Solution.. Jesus is your Rescue. Jesus is your sin bearer.

Trust in Jesus...... "all who believe in Jesus, shall be saved"...
 

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You know, God is Love..but that is not all.. He is a God of Justice and Righteousness and Holiness.
Its the long-suffering of God that is the only reason that He continues to give sinners a chance to go to Heaven.

Well said, Sister. God is a just God and so must do certain things which (makes him Just and righteous). Some get executed and some get life in prison (lake of fire) because if he is not just then how can He be love or good? These things must come to pass.
 

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Too much huh?

I started hearing about Nephilim back in the 90's through Chuck Missler. Oh he's a wonderful teacher! He has wrote books about the return of the Nephilim and has slew of videos on Youtube about it.

He was a very eduacated man and used scripture constantly. And he was fond of saying, but dont believe me, read it for yourself. And I did, and I understood. Personally, I dont think talking about Nephilim is premature or assuming too much...not in our world where so many Sasquatches live. I think the sasquatches must be modern day Nephilim.

That tells me one big thing I think. They are most likely highly intelligent creatures and have been hiding from man all this time. There's more footage of Sasquatches now than ever. Maybe because everyone has a camera on them now, or else...time is short and they wll show themselves soon? (Another end of days nightmare upon the people?) I know one thing, I want a to have a big caliber gun instead of a 9mm if I ever run into one! But I advise never to trust them even if they seem friendly.
I would think that if Sasquatches are Nephilim, then we would have power over them "In Jesus Name" right?

But hey Brother, I hope I am dead wrong! But it sorta fits.It would explain who and what the Sasquatches really are. I've never seen one and I stomped around the Rocky Mountains for 30 years! But can they all be lying? I hardly think that is possible.
Man's imagination knows no bounds. The inspiration for the most outrageous captures man's attention easily. Just look at the plethora of Hindu god's which millions deem worthy of worship.

Guarding our hearts from fantastical intrusions in the world of imagination is a good move. How do we do it? By looking at God's revelation of himself in Jesus.....and using that measure to determine all else. Everything else is speculative mumbo jumbo.....and surprisingly and alarmingly most prefer the mumbo jumbo option.....just like most preferred to not believe Noah that a flood of unprecedented proportions was on its way.
 

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Do you only see God as a type of Santa Claus in Heaven, giving out gifts to child molesters and people that put Jewish babies in hot ovens in Israel last Oct 7 , '2023 ?
Do you really feel that just because a person has to pay for their crime on earth, that they should not pay for their life of sin, after they die?

Hell, is the balancing of all the sin, of all the wrong, committed on earth.
If it was not Fair, then God would not have provided it.

Have you never said....>"how can that person, who is so terrible, keep getting away with hanging thousands of citizens in Iran, because they didnt wear their head-wrap correctly.

HELL, is the just balance for that....... And so many more evils that men do, that are never uncovered.

You know, God is Love..but that is not all.. He is a God of Justice and Righteousness and Holiness.
Its the long-suffering of God that is the only reason that He continues to give sinners a chance to go to Heaven.

God is a HOLY eternal spiritual being who allowed the body of His Virgin born Son to be so mutilated, even before Jesus went to the Cross to hang on it.. that the NT records that Jesus was "marred beyond recognition".
You could not tell who he was, anymore.......and that was before He was nailed to The Cross.

Its a "fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God'.. having never received His Son, as your Savior..

Reader, if you "somehow" found my post, and you have not yet solved your eternity.. then Jesus is your Eternal Solution.. Jesus is your Rescue. Jesus is your sin bearer.

Trust in Jesus...... "all who believe in Jesus, shall be saved"...
All you do Behold is use Jesus and the carrot. In the background you have God holding and using the big stick.
Imagine if your wife said to you before you married her, marry me and we will live happily ever after, don't marry me and I'll make your life hell......because that's what you're proposing God is like....and what's more, it appears you love that view of the character of God.
 

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Well said, Sister. God is a just God and so must do certain things which (makes him Just and righteous). Some get executed and some get life in prison (lake of fire) because if he is not just then how can He be love or good? These things must come to pass.
Have you missed HOW God has revealed himself in Jesus, MA2444.....or have you also turned God into one who brutally has his own Son murdered by wicked men to satisfy man's imagined 'justice' but called it God's....and further, have you imagined that those who do not accept this so called 'justice' of the murder of his Son for peoples sins, will now also burn them for eternity?

Oh the travesty of God's love for fallen sinners! God has been turned into the Devil himself and most are blind to it.
 
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One of the first studies I did was looking at all God the Father said in the Old Testament to put without in an unclean place. I had questions just like others on forums that say God is cruel. I don’t know why I studied this collection in the unclean place without the gate. I’ve read on forums people ask why this one and not that one was put without. Like why a woman raped but not her rapist. It’s been a long time since I read all those put without in an unclean place. I remember it was a place where the spoils of war; children and women were taken. It sounds offensive. If I had been alive at the time of lepers being put without I would have no doubt accused God of being hateful, and a contradiction to Jesus Christ who touched the lepers. Yet, what I see is Jesus Christ going without the gate to suffer for a people, to cleanse a people in His own blood, to prepare a people who are sick and in need of a physician. And then to read Paul saying, let us go without the gate to meet Him, let us go without the gate to bear His reproach. It reconciled why Jesus Christ touched the lepers. Why He heard the woman who had a blood issue and no man could heal her of her blood issue. What I called hateful in the Old Testament, now I saw it is possible God was preparing a people without the gate, while people on forums say He is hateful to put those things without in an unclean place, i want to suggest “is God hateful, or foreseeing the Son would go without the gate (to bear their reproach)to suffer without the gate”? God the Father had patience and long-suffering for the time of his visitation for those outcast and downtrodden?

Thank you for sharing your journey Matthew? You have a lot to contribute! You have been through so much by what I’ve gathered by your post. It’s beautiful that you don’t hate God without a cause.
Hello VIJ,

The Father did so much good to the obstinate people who would retort back to faithlessness. What’s even more amazing, he worked with people that was around them. It’s so cool. I don’t understand though some of the things you say like “going without the gate?”

The Father gave mana to his people, Moses told them don’t horde it, some of them did so and the mana turned to maggots. What’s the purpose of this? That greed eats away the nature of staying faithful that Yahavah, who can will indeed keep you sustained spiritually if you remain faithful?

I haven’t read some of the Old Testament in awhile, but Samuel, Hannah and Pannahna, Pan would make fun of Hannah’s value because she was not child bearing, and every year they went to the temple. Pan would give Hannah hell by mocking and belittling her. She met Eli, and I think at some point prayed that Yahavah would give her a son. She was blessed, and it didn’t seem like she retorted against Pan, she simply was tortured by her actions and would cry to no avail until calling out one day to the LORD and she gave her son Samuel to Eli.

Eli had bad sons, God spoke to Samuel and told him that Eli’s family line would be killed. Samuel told Eli about this and said “if God so wills it to be let it be.”

There are amazing things founded within these pages, not only how God handled things back then, but how we can learn by these actions how to handle things. Now I never had children, but my mother dealt with me the best she could. And if the Law got involved it was my own butt and responsibility to handle those things on my own. Eli had bad children; because of his laziness I think of having not perhaps given them the proper information they needed to have in their life; that at that time would have been the blessing and curses concerning those people (Israel) at the time I suppose.

What can we learn from that? Teaching children to obey the commandments given to the Israelites? I think that is a no. But feeding proper information to children at the proper times can help shape them to not make bad choices, and also if they come across and around people that do, not to judge them but have compassion and mercy and most certainly phone the law if it needs to be done in order for help to be there to help.

Tremendous amounts of information in the Old Testament can help us realize our own fleshly nature, and like Hannah going to Yahavah about things is where peace and perhaps we can leave our anger worries and anxiety’s and so forth there on the altar for him to handle.

Even if we are sick or some problem we have is not fixed, he is a good God, who does love and who does work individually with people to help them live by the spiritual means and those blessing and curses while they don’t mean much for us today; they can perhaps teach us lessons and the hardest lesson to learn is that is only by the spirit of Christ we do anything good, and he deserves all the credit for getting us to the Father and, also helping to hold our tongue and flesh back when it desires its own way ; but also can give us the strengths to even tell others when they are in the wrong even if they may mock us for it.

The relationship had with God is so personal, it similar to a locker. You store things in there but take out what you need at random times. You’re able to give God all those things and in that locker it wouldn’t be a locked locker, it would be a changed heart by the spirit within bringing forth freedom rather than bondage.

Thank you for taking time to read, I find your post worth while and thoughtful, though I didn’t understand some things.
 
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I don’t understand though some of the things you say like “going without the gate?”
I’m sorry I was referring toHebrews 13:11-13 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. [13] Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.