he has murdered hundreds of innocent people you dont know he is pure evil

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@Berean. Do you have anything to quote from this century? :ummm:

You well know that all you do is tear us down…but where is your witness? Where are the Bible Students carrying out the great commission “in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations”? (Matt 24:14)

Funny how you ignore the things that expose your own group as spiritually impotent, ignoring the obvious log in your own eye, whilst trying to extract the straw from your brotherly eye.

If you have the truth, preach it…..we will see at the end of the day who the “faithful slave” really was…won’t we?
 
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Acts 15:19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,
Acts 15:20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.

Acts 15:27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth.
Acts 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:
Acts 15:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

Context, Gentiles who came to Christ still practiced satanic blood rituals.

Apostles -> DONT.

I don't see a spiritual connection with medical care to save a life.
 

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Context, Gentiles who came to Christ still practiced satanic blood rituals.
Nowhere is this suggesting that gentiles practiced satanic rituals…..read it in context…it’s about Jews insisting on gentiles observing the Law of Moses…..the response was that they didn’t need to keep the Law that Jews were governed by.….all they had to observe was the stated “requirements”….
”that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.”
These applied to Jewish Christians as well.

Abstinence from blood is mentioned twice in those “requirements”.
Look up the word “abstain”.
Apostles -> DONT.
Don't what? Just read the Scripture.
I don't see a spiritual connection with medical care to save a life.
It’s got nothing to do with today’s medical care because there was no such thing as blood transfusions in those days….but if blood was used as medicine in any other way, it was still against God’s law.

According to the law, an animal used for food had to have its throat cut and its body hung up to drain it of its blood which was to be poured out on the ground…..symbolically returning its life to the God who gave it. All blood was sacred, as the very symbol of life itself.

When God says to “abstain”…he means it. If you watched the video that I posted, you will see that blood transfusions are not the “life saving” procedure they once were assumed to be.…and they have known about the risks for decades.
 
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Here is the link again…. Risks of blood transfusions
For some reason ,safari said that they couldn’t open the page..I would have like to have viewed that.

You are certainly right about the risks of transfusion, in my days ,Aunty, the blood that I received after I haemorrhaged giving birth..wasn’t screened...I was fortunate or it appears that the blood they gave me wasn’t infected..with hepatitis c or HIV etc...I believe the blood they give now is screened...would you trust that?..if you needed a blood transfusion?

If I hadn’t of had the blood transfusion I would have died...I believe I was meant to have that transfusion and that God saved my life...all those 50 odd years ago....
 
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For some reason ,safari said that they couldn’t open the page..I would have like to have viewed that.
Its on YouTube try this link…
Risks verses benefits of blood transfusions.

This video, posted on The Australian Government’s website, was a warning, and exposed the risks of blood transfusions verses the benefits, and outlines two key reasons why people should weigh up their decision based on the facts rather than the medical profession’s now outdated opinion.
Two unwanted effects are “increased morbidity” (serious complications) and “mortality” (death) “more so than any other medical intervention” And this as a direct result of the procedure. The doctors in the video are medical professionals in this field of medicine.
You are certainly right about the risks of transfusion, in my days ,Aunty, the blood that I received after I haemorrhaged giving birth..wasn’t screened...I was fortunate or it appears that the blood they gave me wasn’t infected..with hepatitis c or HIV etc...I believe the blood they give now is screened...would you trust that?..if you needed a blood transfusion?
God’s law on consuming blood has never changed, and in fact, it was repeated three times in three different eras in the Bible. Taking blood into the body in any manner is against his law. Like sexual immorality, this carried the death penalty….so for us it is not a personal decision like vaccination….it is clearly stated.

The risks outlined in the video show us that blood is as unique to a person as their fingerprints. To introduce a living foreign substance, such as a virus or bacteria, sends the body’s immune system into combat mode. Precious resources are marshaled into combatting the invader…..and so the same applies to blood….it is a living substance.…and as such it came to represent life itself, as all living, breathing souls have blood in their veins to carry oxygen to every cell in the body. When the body’s energy is directed to fighting the invader, our ability to recover is compromised.
More people die after a blood transfusion than who ever die for refusing one. Jehovah’s Witnesses have proven it. The reasons are outlined in the video…I hope you can access it.

Acts 15:28-29 was a mandate to Christians that was not negotiable….
”For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper.”

So the law of Moses with its many rules was abolished because Christ has fulfilled it, resulting in a permanent sacrifice covering our sins, as long as we observed those “necessary things”.
If I hadn’t of had the blood transfusion I would have died...I believe I was meant to have that transfusion and that God saved my life...all those 50 odd years ago....
You had the doctor’s opinion on that….we have been told that for decades….but in hindsight, someone else’s unique blood was put into your body, do you know what came with it?…….and if you are admitted to hospital here in Australia, one of the questions they ask every patient on admission is…”Have you EVER had a blood transfusion?” Why do you think they would need to ask that? What do they know that they do not tell us?

Knowing that there are safer alternatives is my reason for posting this information, as it vindicates God’s law on the use of blood, and tells the truth that a multi-million dollar insustry doesn’t want you to know.

Abstaining from blood came with the promise…”you will prosper”.
For Jehovah’s Witnesses, this has always been true.

Let me know if the link fails and I will see if I can post it directly off the website…..it’s definitely worth watching.
 
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@Berean. Do you have anything to quote from this century? :ummm:
So when your organization quotes the past, it's okay, right? When you go to the JW website, there are magazines, brochures , books and booklets that go back to he 1950s, but that's okay, unless I or someone else quotes those same resources.

BTW ... I guess you should stop quoting the Bible since it's not from this century.
You well know that all you do is tear us down…
I'm debating, what are you doing? Since you believe everyone on this forum who claims to be a Christian are of the devil, what are you building up?
but where is your witness? Where are the Bible Students carrying out the great commission “in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations”? (Matt 24:14)
We've been through this several times
Funny how you ignore the things that expose your own group as spiritually impotent, ignoring the obvious log in your own eye, whilst trying to extract the straw from your brotherly eye.
Funny, because I have answered ALL your questions and accusations, with scripture and reason and all you ever do is either ignore it or change the subject.
If you have the truth, preach it…..we will see at the end of the day who the “faithful slave” really was…won’t we?
I have and do .... and we have several of your brothers and sisters among our ranks, and I believe we have already determined who the real FWS is and it ain't those men in NY.
 

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So when your organization quotes the past, it's okay, right? When you go to the JW website, there are magazines, brochures , books and booklets that go back to he 1950s, but that's okay, unless I or someone else quotes those same resources.

BTW ... I guess you should stop quoting the Bible since it's not from this century.

I'm debating, what are you doing? Since you believe everyone on this forum who claims to be a Christian are of the devil, what are you building up?

We've been through this several times

Funny, because I have answered ALL your questions and accusations, with scripture and reason and all you ever do is either ignore it or change the subject.

I have and do .... and we have several of your brothers and sisters among our ranks, and I believe we have already determined who the real FWS is and it ain't those men in NY.
If you say so….Jesus will tell us I’m sure….it will be interesting….
 
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Nowhere is this suggesting that gentiles practiced satanic rituals…..read it in context…it’s about Jews insisting on gentiles observing the Law of Moses…..the response was that they didn’t need to keep the Law that Jews were governed by.….all they had to observe was the stated “requirements”….
”that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.”
Unlike you I read these 4 points as connected with each other and not isolated.

In Jesus time the world was still full of gods, each city could have its own xx gods with blood rituals strictly forbidden in the OT, drinking blood also.

Abstain from blood as isolated, your view, in the Parable of the Good Samaritan -

Luke 10:30 Jesus replied, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him and departed, leaving him half dead.

Luke 10:34 He [The Good Samaritan] went to him and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he set him on his own animal and brought him to an inn and took care of him.

Would you leave the bleeding man alone, or help him?
 

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Unlike you I read these 4 points as connected with each other and not isolated.

In Jesus time the world was still full of gods, each city could have its own xx gods with blood rituals strictly forbidden in the OT, drinking blood also.

Abstain from blood as isolated, your view, in the Parable of the Good Samaritan -

Luke 10:30 Jesus replied, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him and departed, leaving him half dead.

Luke 10:34 He [The Good Samaritan] went to him and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he set him on his own animal and brought him to an inn and took care of him.

Would you leave the bleeding man alone, or help him?
Not sure how this relates to what I said…..our position on blood is for us…we do not impose it on others because it is a biblical directive, and something we follow personally in obedience to God’s law…..we do not lack compassion for people who are suffering.
How did the Good Samaritan get into this conversation? We are told to imitate the Good Samaritan….so we would get him some help, but as to his treatment…that would be his decision…nothing to do with us.
 
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For those who prefer to gain more knowledge on BT dangers:

What the medical establishment calls calls “TA-GVHD”:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3002081/#:~:text=TA%2DGVHD%20is%20characterized%20by%20fever%2C%20skin%20rash%2C,is%20fatal%20in%20most%20cases%20[2–4%2C%2011–13].&text=High%20index%20of%20suspicion%20and%20association%20of,clinical%20features%20is%20required%20for%20early%20diagnosis.

”TACO”:


“TRALI”:



Really, though, even if it were 100%-safe, it’s not a health issue, or a trust issue…. It’s an obedience issue. @Ritajanice

Contrary to what some on here have claimed, at Acts 15, James & the Apostles (through Holy Spirit) did not say, “do not eat” blood; they said “to abstain…. from blood.” That would include all forms of ingesting blood.

This stance by Jehovah’s Witnesses has impelled the medical establishment to explore new and healthier ways of managing blood.

And now there exists many different avenues a doctor can choose to help keep the patient alive, from simple volume expanders to more elaborate oxygen-carriers.
And the world has benefited.

We thank the medical field for responding to our needs, currently over 9,000,000 people.

As Jesus said, “wisdom is proved righteous by its works.” — Matthew 11:19

Best wishes to all.

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Apparently the first link is a copy-and-paste; sorry about that! The whole article is good.
 

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Acts 15:19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,
Yes… but the point of contention, the reason this important meeting of the Apostles arose in the first place, was due to circumcision…. whether all males who became Christian, needed to be circumcised. That would specifically affect male Gentile Christians, since all male Jewish Christians, already were.

Getting circumcised would be a “trouble.”

Have a good day, my cousin.
 
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For those who prefer to gain more knowledge on BT dangers:

What the medical establishment calls calls “TA-GVHD”:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3002081/#:~:text=TA%2DGVHD%20is%20characterized%20by%20fever%2C%20skin%20rash%2C,is%20fatal%20in%20most%20cases%20[2–4%2C%2011–13].&text=High%20index%20of%20suspicion%20and%20association%20of,clinical%20features%20is%20required%20for%20early%20diagnosis.

”TACO”:


“TRALI”:



Really, though, even if it were 100%-safe, it’s not a health issue, or a trust issue…. It’s an obedience issue. @Ritajanice

That’s your belief, my belief differs...I am obedient to the Living Spirit Of God ,who resides in my spirit as it’s been birthed into the Living Spirit Of Christ....the Spirit is Alive and Active in all of his Born Again children..
Contrary to what some on here have claimed, at Acts 15, James & the Apostles (through Holy Spirit) did not say, “do not eat” blood; they said “to abstain…. from blood.” That would include all forms of ingesting blood.

This stance by Jehovah’s Witnesses has impelled the medical establishment to explore new and healthier ways of managing blood.

And now there exists many different avenues a doctor can choose to help keep the patient alive, from simple volume expanders to more elaborate oxygen-carriers.
And the world has benefited.

We thank the medical field for responding to our needs, currently over 9,000,000 people.

As Jesus said, “wisdom is proved righteous by its works.” — Matthew 11:19

Best wishes to all.

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Apparently the first link is a copy-and-paste; sorry about that! The whole article is good.
When I had my blood transfusion as a very young mother, I was ignorant ,had no idea of the dangers, 50 odd years on, I’m still here to tell the tale, as a Born Again, looking back,God saved my life at that very young age and mother.that he could see that I was.

If I was in a situation now, where I would need a blood transfusion, would I have it, of course I would, as a Born Again , I have faith in God...I walk in faith......if it killed me , then I would take that as, time to go back to my Spirit Father...

My life is in the hands of my Father God...he is my spirit Father and I am his spirit child..I am led by the Living Spirit.....my spiritual eyes and ears are focused only on him, has been for the past 33 years...Praise God..for Jesus.

Growing in the spiritual knowledge of Christ, is an Honour and a Privilege....I thank him daily for that Honour and Privilege.....
 
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How did the Good Samaritan get into this conversation? We are told to imitate the Good Samaritan….so we would get him some help, but as to his treatment…that would be his decision…nothing to do with us.
To abstain from blood.

In the Good Samaritan parable the man was left half dead, the Good Samaritan treating the wounds, likely bleeding wounds.

In such a situation, say you are the only witness of a car accident, you call the emergency line, in the meantime try to stop the bleeding?

Or can a JW become a surgeon for a living dealing with blood on a daily stance?

I just want to understand the depths how you interpret : To abstain from blood.
 

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To abstain from blood.

In the Good Samaritan parable the man was left half dead, the Good Samaritan treating the wounds, likely bleeding wounds.
Yes….and…..?
In such a situation, say you are the only witness of a car accident, you call the emergency line, in the meantime try to stop the bleeding?
Absolutely….who wouldn’t? I have first aid training and would try to stem any blood flow as best I could.
Do you think I would stand there and do nothing?
Or can a JW become a surgeon for a living dealing with blood on a daily stance?
Yes, many of my brothers are medical practitioners. It’s the doctor’s decision if they are the surgeon, to administer what in his expert opinion, is the best way to treat his patient. Blood transfusions are not the automatic “go to” for skilled surgeons who often treat their patients with great success…without blood. They know what blood transfusions do to their patients.

My daughter’s surgeon is not a JW and performed a notoriously ‘blood thirsty’ operation, (usually requiring units of blood) only weeks ago. She was so careful about how she performed the surgery that my daughter lost only 30 mls of blood. This surgeon seldom ever uses blood because she knows it slows down recovery. It was a major op and my daughter recovered so well that she was home in two days.

Many doctors now will use blood only as a last resort because recovery without it is beneficial to the patient and to the hospital. Rapid recovery time with few complications is the benefit.
I just want to understand the depths how you interpret : To abstain from blood.
The “depth” is clearly stated in the Bible…..”abstain” means not to take blood into your body by any means.

JW’s are living proof that you do not die without a blood transfusion. Other measures are available to make sure that volume is not lost by the administration of saline, and that red cell production, as the oxygen carrying component of blood, is accelerated quickly. EPO is often used to accomplish that.
Low hemoglobin does not mean death to an informed and skilled doctor.
 
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I just want to understand the depths how you interpret : To abstain from blood.
I think I understand what you are asking.

To add further to what Aunty Jane said…We recognize the importance of testing blood, so we allow phlebotomists to take adequate samples.

It’s thrown out afterwards. That’s fine.
 
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