Have you ever been outside of time?

[Suhar]

I would like to hear more about your experiences if you are willing.

thanks
Arnie

[SIZE=medium]I really do not know how to describe most of what I experienced.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]How can I describe absence of time? It just does not exist! [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]How can I describe Light that is brighter then bright can be, clearer then clear can be yet it does not burn and does not blind? It is absolutely pure, holy and perfect. It is over there yet it is over here too and I am one with the Light.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]There is The Light and light from The Light. It comes from The Light but it is not like the light we see now. It is not a beam. It is like molecules of air glow. It does not seem to cast a shadow.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]How do I describe a state of being that I can only call as an absolute fulfillment? Absolute love, holiness… yet it is not overwhelming. Everything is just… perfect.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I was not given any missions to accomplish or messages to deliver. I just saw answers to questions I asked for years and future of me and my closest loved ones. I saw my daughter. She looked about 20yo. Young, mature adult (she is 11 now). Then my wife walked up and stood next to us. I knew that we came there not at the same event but there we were, together outside of time. It is not like you look at somebody and ask: “Who are you?” You just look and you know.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I tried to look back and see what is took to get there and I felt more ridiculous then I ever felt in my life. I kind of said to myself: Why would you even look there? THIS, HERE, NOW is all that matters![/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]“Why” is not the question, only “where” is. Where you are going to end up. “Why” is in the mind of GOD![/SIZE]

It is only impossible for those who do not believe that God is real. Yes I have being outside time, when one is in heaven with God, you can be there for seemingl hours yet when you return it has being only a few minutes. But to many He is the " unknown God", but this I can say with all honesty I have received from God something I did not even know about till 2 weeks ago.

Joh_3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

I have mine now.

In all His Love

[SIZE=medium]About 13 years ago I had a life-defining question I asked God intensely. I received a message, which I thought I understood then but then all over sudden 13 years later it dawned on me that there is another message in that answer. One that I did not understand all this time. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]God can speak like that![/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]So, were you There? How do you live with what you know? Did the pain of separation from God’s presence dulled up after a while or you can come back to it at times?[/SIZE]

My idea of heaven is me and Jesus on a desert island together ALONE. Why? Because that's all its' ever been and that's all its' ever going to be. Hoping and blathering on about something else is a total waste of time.

[SIZE=medium]Do not give up. I felt like this once. Then God showed me something basically saying to not give up, to keep going. I am not there yet but I know I cannot stop and give up.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]There are people that do not believe, people that do believe and people that not just believe but they know. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Yes, people that know are very few and far between. I wish I could find some group of people that know. Together we could, at the very least experience God’s presence more often maybe even do something.[/SIZE]

 

[Niki]

[SIZE=medium]I was afraid you are going to say that. On another forum in answer to same topic somebody said: “this is your new normal”.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]As for community… that is the problem! There is no community for people as crazy as I am. I tried to talk to few Christians. Answers ranged from: Uhhh…. Blank stare and head scratch to: “Seek professional help, get medicated”.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I just hope that this “new normal” does not last for long (and no, I am not suicidal in any way). I just hope that God has mercy on me.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=medium]God hears my prayers and me crying out to Jesus my Lord and Savior. Since you are not God nor you are the one who decides who is Christian or not then what makes you think that I should direct my prayers to you of submit them for your approval?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Tell God in your prayers that Suhar is not Christian. See if He is interested in your opinion because I am not.[/SIZE]

You know really Suhar...you need to grow up or something...quit whining...you are claiming I said something I never said. Is that what you do? Play the victim if someone
questions or disagrees with you?

It just gets really hard to even try to understand when someone does that, know what I mean?

Tell God in my prayers you are not a Christian? Seriously? Is that how you envision others pray?

Seems like you have big chip on your shoulder. The type of response you gave is very manipulative and suggests things that are not true about me.

That, is one of the oldest tricks in the book that is used when someone feels uncomfortable with a question. Just point the finger at the person asking
the question and cast doubt on their integrity.

Childish.

 

[Episkopos]

You know really Suhar...you need to grow up or something...quit whining...you are claiming I said something I never said. Is that what you do? Play the victim if someone
questions or disagrees with you?

It just gets really hard to even try to understand when someone does that, know what I mean?

Tell God in my prayers you are not a Christian? Seriously? Is that how you envision others pray?
Seems like you have big chip on your shoulder. The type of response you gave is very manipulative and suggests things that are not true about me.

That, is one of the oldest tricks in the book that is used when someone feels uncomfortable with a question. Just point the finger at the person asking
the question and cast doubt on their integrity.

Childish.

Thank you for encouraging the brethren...

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

[SIZE=medium]I have seen it happen back in my childhood. My parents were part of one absolutely incredible spiritual group. Even as a child I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit like you would not believe.[/SIZE]

Did your parent's spiritual group have a name?

 

[Niki]

It replaces various "doctrines" with the truth. The truth is according to life in the Spirit...not human calculations.

What is being spoken of here episkopos, is not human calculations. The Bible is the word of God. That, is the word and the truth and your experience means absolutely nothing if
it does not line up with that word.


That's more baloney. That is spiritual hocus pocus and a very bad understanding of what walking in the spirit means. So, shall we all just toss our Bibles then and be 'spirit-led'?
You don't learn truth in a vacuum and you certainly do not learn it in some vacuous and uncertain place in or out of time. What about the truth/doctrine that was delivered to Timoth
once and for all that Paul spoke about? See, that is the truth I am talking about. THAT, is what subjugates ALL spiritual experiences...even if you don't think so

This is what the bible is testifying of. We don't put our belief in just words...but we are to put faith in Christ..for real.

and who is the 'we'? not Christians who put the Bible first, that's for sure, because what you state is not in agreement with the Bible at all. I think ChristRoseFrom theDead may be on
to something. FYI, you are doing the same as your friend suhar...making statements about others that have no truth. A Christian is not putting belief in words...we put our faith
in the Lord Jesus Christ and what He has done. However, even as He said, His words are life and truth. Yours, are just vague words and give the appearance of spirituality but
'not what the Holy Spirit gives to the believer.

True Christianity is about life in Christ.

Again, this is sheer nonsense. ALL Christians have their life in Christ. He is the Vine and we are the branches. There is no transcendence such as you speak of. These experiences
are not of God. God is very practical. Jesus really lived and He really died and He really rose again. He was flesh and blood when He rose again...not a spirit

You are misrepresenting the filling of the Holy Spirit. Faith is rare these days but brothers from all over the world can testify to the truth in experience.

Is that so? I am misrepresenting the infilling of the Holy Spirit by stating this:

It is ALWAYS only Jesus and whoever....for every individual not just you....but it is NEVER ONLY you and Jesus...there are at least 100 prophets hiding
out in the caves ;)

baloney episkopos. baloney.

God knows the number of hairs on each of our heads...He is PERSONAL to each of us. Somehow, you don't agree? Anyway, I was not responding to you when I made that statement and the
way you are using it. is taking it out of context. People here are whining there are no more real Christians. I would advise you that there are ONLY real Christians. There is no such thing
as a fake Christian. There are people who are not Christians and there are people who are Christians and thankfully, you and all the other whiners don't get to decide who that is. I was responding to post 31 as
I stated...which is not yr post.

Faith is rare...yeah and you know that because your experience told you that? I don't think you know what faith is. If you had no more experiences, but just had to go by the Bile and no more goosebumps,
​would you have faith? I'm not so sure...........these experiences are very pleasing to the flesh...that is what I think.

Love rejoices with the one who has grown in Christ.

Cheap shot. What the Bible actually says, is that love rejoices only in the truth. I Cor. 6...look it up. That entire chapter says nothing like what you are trying to make it say.

Thank you for encouraging the brethren...

You are welcome. There must be some around here.

Niki,

If you will, watch this thing with me and see if you come to the same conclusion I do: these are manifestations of the spirit of Christian mysticism that replaces doctrine with 'unity through community' and faith with experience.

Agreed.

 

[Episkopos]

It replaces various "doctrines" with the truth. The truth is according to life in the Spirit...not human calculations.

What is being spoken of here episkopos, is not human calculations. The Bible is the word of God. That, is the word and the truth and your experience means absolutely nothing if
it does not line up with that word.


That's more baloney. That is spiritual hocus pocus and a very bad understanding of what walking in the spirit means. So, shall we all just toss our Bibles then and be 'spirit-led'?
You don't learn truth in a vacuum and you certainly do not learn it in some vacuous and uncertain place in or out of time. What about the truth/doctrine that was delivered to Timoth
once and for all that Paul spoke about? See, that is the truth I am talking about. THAT, is what subjugates ALL spiritual experiences...even if you don't think so

This is what the bible is testifying of. We don't put our belief in just words...but we are to put faith in Christ..for real.

and who is the 'we'? not Christians who put the Bible first, that's for sure, because what you state is not in agreement with the Bible at all. I think ChristRoseFrom theDead may be on
to something. FYI, you are doing the same as your friend suhar...making statements about others that have no truth. A Christian is not putting belief in words...we put our faith
in the Lord Jesus Christ and what He has done. However, even as He said, His words are life and truth. Yours, are just vague words and give the appearance of spirituality but
'not what the Holy Spirit gives to the believer.

True Christianity is about life in Christ.

Again, this is sheer nonsense. ALL Christians have their life in Christ. He is the Vine and we are the branches. There is no transcendence such as you speak of. These experiences
are not of God. God is very practical. Jesus really lived and He really died and He really rose again. He was flesh and blood when He rose again...not a spirit

You are misrepresenting the filling of the Holy Spirit. Faith is rare these days but brothers from all over the world can testify to the truth in experience.

Is that so? I am misrepresenting the infilling of the Holy Spirit by stating this:

It is ALWAYS only Jesus and whoever....for every individual not just you....but it is NEVER ONLY you and Jesus...there are at least 100 prophets hiding
out in the caves ;)

baloney episkopos. baloney.

God knows the number of hairs on each of our heads...He is PERSONAL to each of us. Somehow, you don't agree? Anyway, I was not responding to you when I made that statement and the
way you are using it. is taking it out of context. People here are whining there are no more real Christians. I would advise you that there are ONLY real Christians. There is no such thing
as a fake Christian. There are people who are not Christians and there are people who are Christians and thankfully, you and all the other whiners don't get to decide who that is. I was responding to post 31 as
I stated...which is not yr post.

Faith is rare...yeah and you know that because your experience told you that? I don't think you know what faith is. If you had no more experiences, but just had to go by the Bile and no more goosebumps,
​would you have faith? I'm not so sure...........these experiences are very pleasing to the flesh...that is what I think.

Love rejoices with the one who has grown in Christ.

Cheap shot. What the Bible actually says, is that love rejoices only in the truth. I Cor. 6...look it up. That entire chapter says nothing like what you are trying to make it say.




You are welcome. There must be some around here.


Agreed.

Your post is very confused...in may ways...

 

[Suhar]

Thank you for encouraging the brethren...

Brother, have mercy on Niki. Please stop giving her any more opportunities to make ever greater fool of herself. In her blinding pride and attention demanding behavior she does not even realize that. Let's pray for her.

Did your parent's spiritual group have a name?

It did not have one. It was too dangerous to have a name. Somebody could have spilled it to KGB officer monitoring our church. Unautorized gatherings outside of monitored church meetings were highly illegal. Hard to find something that does not have a name and, supposedly, does not exist.

 

[Just here]

Hi Suhar!

Thank you for sharing your experience with the forum. Even though your purpose is to seek other people out who have had the same type of experience, I have not but am inspired by what has happened to you. God has revealed Himself to me in other ways that have been life changing, my experiences have also been met with unbelief and it's ok. We know what we know.

You mentioned in one of your posts a question you had about 13 years ago, it was answered but then it changed - or something along those lines, I can not remember exactly what you said.

Can you tell us what question it was you asked? (I apologize if it's too personal, it's not clear if it was personal or general). No one else has posed the question yet, so I thought I'd ask. :)

 

[Episkopos]

Brother, have mercy on Niki. Please stop giving her any more opportunities to make ever greater fool of herself. In her blinding pride and attention demanding behavior she does not even realize that. Let's pray for her.

It did not have one. It was too dangerous to have a name. Somebody could have spilled it to KGB officer monitoring our church. Unautorized gatherings outside of monitored church meetings were highly illegal. Hard to find something that does not have a name and, supposedly, does not exist.

Ironically it is far better to not have a name. Let God name you!!! :)

 

[Suhar]

Hi Suhar!

Thank you for sharing your experience with the forum. Even though your purpose is to seek other people out who have had the same type of experience, I have not but am inspired by what has happened to you. God has revealed Himself to me in other ways that have been life changing, my experiences have also been met with unbelief and it's ok. We know what we know.

You mentioned in one of your posts a question you had about 13 years ago, it was answered but then it changed - or something along those lines, I can not remember exactly what you said.

Can you tell us what question it was you asked? (I apologize if it's too personal, it's not clear if it was personal or general). No one else has posed the question yet, so I thought I'd ask. :)

Sorry. It was very personal. Answer did not change I just found one message within earlier one and unrelated to it.

 

[Just here]

Sorry. It was very personal.

Ok, thank you for answering.

 

[biggandyy]

Ok, this has gone on long enough. Suhar and Epi, thanks for attacking another believer because you have passed judgement on their faith. No matter how much you want, neither of you are God nor have a corner on what worship looks like. Niki, you win this thread because I am locking it.