Have you ever been outside of time?

[Niki]

[SIZE=medium]I could not care less about hecklers and ridicules. In case if you did not notice there are few of them on this topic already. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I did not post it on the right date.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]“You have not been outside of time, no one has and it is impossible.” (says you and tell that to Paul).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I am not here to argue till blue in the face. What I have seen is impossible to describe. Words and even concepts themselves to not exist in human mind. I am just struggling to live “normal” life with what I know. All I want is to go back and stay there but I am not suicidal by any means. Everything I look at, everything I touch is just dust that is holding together for some time in some shapes but the very time has no meaning outside of time so nothing that I see now has any meaning. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]I get up every day, go to work, pay bills…. Somehow function on “normal” level but I feel like an actor forced to play my former self. I guess it is the separation of soul and spirit?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Over the years. Long before I had my experiences I met two people who have been outside of time. Both seemed to be somehow different. I do not know how to describe that exactly but I am now that way myself and I do not know how to deal with it.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I have been looking around for others that are like me now. Found one but he does not seem to want to talk to me much for some reason. [/SIZE]


[SIZE=medium]If you can explain what time is you should get Nobel prize right away. Nobody can explain it. All I know is that where God lives there is no time. There is no forever before or after there is just no time at all.[/SIZE]

Suhar, my concern for people is that they are not deceived. AS I stated, not everything we may experience is from the Holy Spirit. I have no idea what "I did not post 'it' on the right
date means?"

Suhar, Paul states that 'he knows a man' now that can be taken as Paul himself or someone else. Would you please show where in that description Paul states the experience
was 'out of time?'

It really doesn't matter to me if you argue till blue or all shades of the rainbow. I can say I was taken up by little green men and the truth is that no one can state I wasn't...no
one on this board anyway. Do you see what I am saying? To me, this has nothing to do with arguing....you did put that possibility out there with your statement that you
don't care what anyone thinks.

Again, that is not a Christian concept and now what is taught in the Bible. So, I am still left wondering if you are a Christian? Do you think you might answer that please?

It would certainly help in understanding where you are coming from

By the way, I can disagree with someone and they can disagree with me. We can do that all day long. BUT, I don't like sarcastic and unkind comments or putdowns.

I don't have time for those and my concern is genuine. I hope you understand?

God is not limited by time as we are. However, there are many deceiving spirits in this world. We, DO dwell in time. Even John, on the island of Patmos did not state
he was out of time. I believe if one had to be 'timeless' so to speak, it certainly would have been John receiving the revelation (last book of the Bible) However, I would
not state that to be so, it would just be conjecture on my part, because the word of God does not tell us that he was removed temporairly from our current physical
existence.

As an aside, you state you can no longer function as you once did. No vision or experience is given simply to have that experience. What was the purpose of your
experience? Why, did this 'being' remove you from the 3rd dimension?


Forgot to add this: as far as I Tim. 6:16, goes that is not describing a name of God.

[SIZE=.75em]6 [/SIZE]who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

This is from your op:

Have you ever seen The Unapproachable Light?

You are stating those words as though they were a noun, when in fact, unapproachable is an adjective and well light, is a noun. This is a descriptive phrase and not a name.

 

[Suhar]

[SIZE=medium]Whatever. Like I said. I am not here to argue or explain the unexplainable. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Do not worry about me being deceived. Not because I am smart or special in any way but because people who like to argue a lot tend to have problems of their own.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I never said that Unapproachable Light is the Name of God. And I never said that I saw God. Nobody can see God. There is a reason why His light is unapproachable. I only got to see it for a short time and I would not survive any longer. Not that I would die (I would love too though. Then I would get to stay there), more then that. I felt like protons and electrons in atoms of my body would part company.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]It is another thing I cannot explain. First I felt like I was in two places at the same time. Then I was fully there (not felt like but I was actually there) and after I saw the Light I, again felt like I am in two places at the same time and my Earthly body is about to turn into some kind of mini nuke explosion. This is why I had to come back. Because my Earthly body was not dead and could not take it! It was not time yet to be set free of it![/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Anyway. Maybe there is no point in continuing this topic. There is no point in arguing with people that tell me I did not see what I did or try to explain what can only be experienced. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Just checking here and there to see if anybody had same experience and knows how carry on with “normal” life in this disgusting septic tank (AKA the world we live in). [/SIZE]

 

[biggandyy]

No, I'm pretty sure you're the only one.

 

[Suhar]

No, I'm pretty sure you're the only one.

[SIZE=medium]I will take your opinion for what it worth.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I met two over the many years and I know there has to be more.[/SIZE]

 

[Niki]

Well Suhar, after two fumbles and one avoidance, I am going to go with 'you are not a Christian'

Thanks. You can correct me anytime you want. :)

There is no point in arguing with people that tell me I did not see what I did or try to explain what can only be experienced.

I kinda feel the same way about people who don't answer simple questions and keep changing the subject ;)

 

[Episkopos]

[SIZE=medium]Whatever. Like I said. I am not here to argue or explain the unexplainable. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Do not worry about me being deceived. Not because I am smart or special in any way but because people who like to argue a lot tend to have problems of their own.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I never said that Unapproachable Light is the Name of God. And I never said that I saw God. Nobody can see God. There is a reason why His light is unapproachable. I only got to see it for a short time and I would not survive any longer. Not that I would die (I would love too though. Then I would get to stay there), more then that. I felt like protons and electrons in atoms of my body would part company.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]It is another thing I cannot explain. First I felt like I was in two places at the same time. Then I was fully there (not felt like but I was actually there) and after I saw the Light I, again felt like I am in two places at the same time and my Earthly body is about to turn into some kind of mini nuke explosion. This is why I had to come back. Because my Earthly body was not dead and could not take it! It was not time yet to be set free of it![/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Anyway. Maybe there is no point in continuing this topic. There is no point in arguing with people that tell me I did not see what I did or try to explain what can only be experienced. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Just checking here and there to see if anybody had same experience and knows how carry on with “normal” life in this disgusting septic tank (AKA the world we live in). [/SIZE]

Walking in the Spirit is walking in that timeless place all the time. From there we don't sin...but we walk as Jesus walked. So that is to become our new "normal".

Find a spiritual community that also walks that way. Walk in resurrection life!

 

[Suhar]

Well Suhar, after two fumbles and one avoidance, I am going to go with 'you are not a Christian'

Thanks. You can correct me anytime you want. :)

Why would I want to?

[SIZE=medium]What is it to me? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Your opinion is your opinion. You do not get to decide who is Christian and who is not. Christ does. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]God is my Judge, not you and I am free to answer your questions or argue with your points only if I feel like they have some relevance or point to them.[/SIZE]

 

[Niki]

Walking in the Spirit is walking in that timeless place all the time. From there we don't sin...but we walk as Jesus walked. So that is to become our new "normal".

Find a spiritual community that also walks that way. Walk in resurrection life!

Are you comparing what scripture states about walking in the spirit with the op?

Is walking in the spirit a subjective or objective interpretation to you?

Why would I want to?

[SIZE=medium]What is it to me? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Your opinion is your opinion. You do not get to decide who is Christian and who is not. Christ does. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]God is my Judge, not you and I am free to answer your questions or argue with your points only if I feel like they have some relevance or point to them.[/SIZE]

Yes, God is your Judge but those who belong to Him, say readily that Jesus Christ is Lord. Amen.

 

[Suhar]

Walking in the Spirit is walking in that timeless place all the time. From there we don't sin...but we walk as Jesus walked. So that is to become our new "normal".

Find a spiritual community that also walks that way. Walk in resurrection life!

[SIZE=medium]I was afraid you are going to say that. On another forum in answer to same topic somebody said: “this is your new normal”.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]As for community… that is the problem! There is no community for people as crazy as I am. I tried to talk to few Christians. Answers ranged from: Uhhh…. Blank stare and head scratch to: “Seek professional help, get medicated”.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I just hope that this “new normal” does not last for long (and no, I am not suicidal in any way). I just hope that God has mercy on me.[/SIZE]

Yes, God is your Judge but those who belong to Him, say readily that Jesus Christ is Lord. Amen.

[SIZE=medium]God hears my prayers and me crying out to Jesus my Lord and Savior. Since you are not God nor you are the one who decides who is Christian or not then what makes you think that I should direct my prayers to you of submit them for your approval?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Tell God in your prayers that Suhar is not Christian. See if He is interested in your opinion because I am not.[/SIZE]

 

[Episkopos]

Are you comparing what scripture states about walking in the spirit with the op?

Is walking in the spirit a subjective or objective interpretation to you?

It is experiential. In the Spirit we see through His glory in the form of light!

[SIZE=medium]I was afraid you are going to say that. On another forum in answer to same topic somebody said: “this is your new normal”.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]As for community… that is the problem! There is no community for people as crazy as I am. I tried to talk to few Christians. Answers ranged from: Uhhh…. Blank stare and head scratch to: “Seek professional help, get medicated”.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I just hope that this “new normal” does not last for long (and no, I am not suicidal in any way). I just hope that God has mercy on me.[/SIZE]

Even though it feels crazy at first...you do get used to it and it becomes a place of worship for you to be IN God. Let your love for God grow so that you are willing to forsake all things in order to follow Christ in the Spirit.

Where do you live?

 

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Yes I understand what you are saying. It is like being in the world but not of it. The solution is community in the Spirit. This is where the people are together in the light but they are still in the world. The Christian life only makes sense in the plural form....which is the body of Christ.

Community in the spirit. Sounds nice. What is that? If the implication is church I don't follow you at all.

Most churches I've attended, and I've attended A LOT let me tell you, don't believe in -spirit anything-. Most of the folks there aren't even sure who the heck Jesus was. And forget about the Trinity. That's rocket science.

I just wasted three years in a cliquey church. The pastor is either on vacation or gone on sabbatical (paid sabbatical leave for 4 months + 4 weeks vacation per year) so forget about talking to him at all. A recent sermon by an amateur on staff was about the Holy Spirit. Three minutes was spent quoting miscellaneous Bible verses and twenty five minutes were spent telling personal anecdotes that had nothing to do with God. Spirit? Wasteland is what it is. I got TV better than that......and its there for me - unlike the self-righteous Christians who are religious in name only.

There is nobody hereabouts in the light - except for the poor soul that changes the flourescent tubes every once in a while.

All of that being said, I did put a toe into the beyond on a number of occasions. And I wasn't sick, drunk, drugged, in an accident or near death (unlike church services - after about twenty minutes I lose the will to live).

You wrote "the Christian life only makes sense in the plural form". Absolute rubbish. Absolute. I have never EVER found a place where there is ANY Christian life - together or otherwise. My idea of heaven is me and Jesus on a desert island together ALONE. Why? Because that's all its' ever been and that's all its' ever going to be. Hoping and blathering on about something else is a total waste of time.

Death is welcome any time. Bring it on. I know what awaits and I don't care what some atheistic punk thinks - he has his reward and he's welcome to it.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[Suhar]

Even though it feels crazy at first...you do get used to it and it becomes a place of worship for you to be IN God. Let your love for God grow so that you are willing to forsake all things in order to follow Christ in the Spirit.

Where do you live?

[SIZE=medium]Getting used to… I thought so too but it does not seem to work that way. Unless I am distracted by something within minutes, sometimes seconds my thoughts go back to one and only thing I can think about: I want to be close to God! Pray, cry and scream to God. That is the description of my day. My every day! I am working alone most of the day so nobody gets to see big burly guy crying like a baby at times.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Holy Spirit did visit me on couple of occasions in the last few months. Sometimes nothing is said. Sometimes I see what I need to see and I hear what I need to hear. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]He does it just for single me. I can only imagine if there was two or three of us gathered in his name.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I have seen it happen back in my childhood. My parents were part of one absolutely incredible spiritual group. Even as a child I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit like you would not believe.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=medium]I live in disgusting septic tank full of every imaginable sin, depravity and filth imaginable. (AKA the world we live in). [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Geographically I am in Tacoma WA area.[/SIZE]


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[Arnie Manitoba]

Have you ever been outside of time? Have you ever seen The Unapproachable Light? Ever since I did I cannot figure out how to carry on, how to function as “normal”. Nothing makes sense any more, nothing has meaning.

Ridicule all you want. Could not care less about you.

Just wanted to see if there is anybody else who been THERE!

I am like two different people now. One goes through the motions of daily life like an automaton without soul and another wants to have absolutely NOTHING to do with it! I cannot bring those two together!

I would like to hear more about your experiences if you are willing.

thanks
Arnie

 

[KingJ]

Just thinking...who says God is outside of time? Who says we will be out of time when in heaven? Our lives on earth will ALWAYS be our past! The cross will always be Jesus's past. Just because God lives forever does not mean there is not a time for everything, a past and present.

Jesus said He is going to go and prepare a place for us...this place in heaven was not already prepared. Hence it did not exist in the past or present when He said it, only the future.

Being eternal beings does not mean we dont have a past, present and future. Time will always be with us.

 

[Episkopos]

Community in the spirit. Sounds nice. What is that? If the implication is church I don't follow you at all.

Most churches I've attended, and I've attended A LOT let me tell you, don't believe in -spirit anything-. Most of the folks there aren't even sure who the heck Jesus was. And forget about the Trinity. That's rocket science.

I just wasted three years in a cliquey church. The pastor is either on vacation or gone on sabbatical (paid sabbatical leave for 4 months + 4 weeks vacation per year) so forget about talking to him at all. A recent sermon by an amateur on staff was about the Holy Spirit. Three minutes was spent quoting miscellaneous Bible verses and twenty five minutes were spent telling personal anecdotes that had nothing to do with God. Spirit? Wasteland is what it is. I got TV better than that......and its there for me - unlike the self-righteous Christians who are religious in name only.

There is nobody hereabouts in the light - except for the poor soul that changes the flourescent tubes every once in a while.

All of that being said, I did put a toe into the beyond on a number of occasions. And I wasn't sick, drunk, drugged, in an accident or near death (unlike church services - after about twenty minutes I lose the will to live).

You wrote "the Christian life only makes sense in the plural form". Absolute rubbish. Absolute. I have never EVER found a place where there is ANY Christian life - together or otherwise. My idea of heaven is me and Jesus on a desert island together ALONE. Why? Because that's all its' ever been and that's all its' ever going to be. Hoping and blathering on about something else is a total waste of time.

Death is welcome any time. Bring it on. I know what awaits and I don't care what some atheistic punk thinks - he has his reward and he's welcome to it.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

Modern people , especially in the Western world are very rich...and have no need of God....well except for the immunity from the penalty for sins that many think Jesus affords.

The actual Christian life begins at regeneration by the Holy Spirit. God wants to dwell in us....but He also wants to dwell among us. That is our witness..that the Lord lives among us (as well as in us).

The modern churches have gone after a different gospel...where there is no power. These prefer a natural life that is somehow blessed by God. Christianity is become just another religion. In the US it has become a state religion.

But there is no reality in this.

[SIZE=medium]Getting used to… I thought so too but it does not seem to work that way. Unless I am distracted by something within minutes, sometimes seconds my thoughts go back to one and only thing I can think about: I want to be close to God! Pray, cry and scream to God. That is the description of my day. My every day! I am working alone most of the day so nobody gets to see big burly guy crying like a baby at times.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Holy Spirit did visit me on couple of occasions in the last few months. Sometimes nothing is said. Sometimes I see what I need to see and I hear what I need to hear. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]He does it just for single me. I can only imagine if there was two or three of us gathered in his name.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I have seen it happen back in my childhood. My parents were part of one absolutely incredible spiritual group. Even as a child I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit like you would not believe.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=medium]I live in disgusting septic tank full of every imaginable sin, depravity and filth imaginable. (AKA the world we live in). [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Geographically I am in Tacoma WA area.[/SIZE]


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Be strong in the Lord. I know there are practically no spiritual Christians anymore. But never give up. Changes are coming in the world. Some will turn to Christ in truth. So rejoice always in the Lord. Let your roots go deep down into the water table as a tree planted in a desert.

 

[mjrhealth]

You have not been outside of time, no one has and it is impossible.

It is only impossible for those who do not believe that God is real. Yes I have being outside time, when one is in heaven with God, you can be there for seemingl hours yet when you return it has being only a few minutes. But to many He is the " unknown God", but this I can say with all honesty I have received from God something I did not even know about till 2 weeks ago.

Joh_3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

I have mine now.

In all His Love

 

[Episkopos]

Just thinking...who says God is outside of time? Who says we will be out of time when in heaven? Our lives on earth will ALWAYS be our past! The cross will always be Jesus's past. Just because God lives forever does not mean there is not a time for everything, a past and present.

Jesus said He is going to go and prepare a place for us...this place in heaven was not already prepared. Hence it did not exist in the past or present when He said it, only the future.

Being eternal beings does not mean we dont have a past, present and future. Time will always be with us.

We are living now in that future. In John 15...Jesus says..Abide in Me!! Where? In the abode He prepared for us! We are to walk in Him so to walk as He walked.

As He is...so are we in the world. We have this treasure in earthen vessels (human bodies)

 

[Niki]

It is experiential. In the Spirit we see through His glory in the form of light!

Even though it feels crazy at first...you do get used to it and it becomes a place of worship for you to be IN God. Let your love for God grow so that you are willing to forsake all things in order to follow Christ in the Spirit.

Where do you live?

Well you see, that is not biblically sound. Of course one's walk is experential...BUT and that is one big but, it should not come before the sound teaching of the word
and the truth of the Bible.

Everything we do on our own is subjective and you and the op here, are, frankly, speaking a different language. I believe you may find that exhilarating...but
it is outside of sound doctrine.

yup...this kind of thread often deteriorates into bashing other Christians who do not live up to our experiences...I'll leave you to it

referring to post 31...I know what kind of churches you are speaking of but I think your attitude may have something to do with your lack of fellowship

It is ALWAYS only Jesus and whoever....for every individual not just you....but it is NEVER ONLY you and Jesus...there are at least 100 prophets hiding
out in the caves ;)

Be strong in the Lord. I know there are practically no spiritual Christians anymore. But never give up. Changes are coming in the world. Some will turn to Christ in truth. So rejoice always in the Lord. Let your roots go deep down into the water table as a tree planted in a desert.

baloney episkopos. baloney.

I just get so tired of 'spiritual' Christians who think they are the only ones. Who is going to be in heaven besides you and maybe 2 other people in this thread?

You blah blah blah on and on about spirituality and how bad other Christians are.

The ONLY thing Jesus said about knowing who His disciples are, is that they would be known by their love

The rest, including goosebump theology, is sounding brass.

You guys don't have a clue. I've had experiences, but the real thing is the day to day living for Christ and loving others...I find the hardest people to love
are the Christians. Especially the super spiritual ones that complain about everyone elses' lack of spirituality

Get a cloud. The rest of us are trying to live on this earth as Jesus told us to. You know, picking up our cross and following him.

Well, tweet tweet tweet...watch those wings now.

Sheesh

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Niki,

If you will, watch this thing with me and see if you come to the same conclusion I do: these are manifestations of the spirit of Christian mysticism that replaces doctrine with 'unity through community' and faith with experience.

 

[Episkopos]

Niki,

If you will, watch this thing with me and see if you come to the same conclusion I do: these are manifestations of the spirit of Christian mysticism that replaces doctrine with 'unity through community' and faith with experience.

It replaces various "doctrines" with the truth. The truth is according to life in the Spirit...not human calculations.

Well you see, that is not biblically sound. Of course one's walk is experential...BUT and that is one big but, it should not come before the sound teaching of the word
and the truth of the Bible.

This is what the bible is testifying of. We don't put our belief in just words...but we are to put faith in Christ..for real.

Everything we do on our own is subjective and you and the op here, are, frankly, speaking a different language. I believe you may find that exhilarating...but
it is outside of sound doctrine.

Everything we do is to be in Christ...with Him doing it through us.

yup...this kind of thread often deteriorates into bashing other Christians who do not live up to our experiences...I'll leave you to it

referring to post 31...I know what kind of churches you are speaking of but I think your attitude may have something to do with your lack of fellowship

True Christianity is about life in Christ.

It is ALWAYS only Jesus and whoever....for every individual not just you....but it is NEVER ONLY you and Jesus...there are at least 100 prophets hiding
out in the caves ;)

baloney episkopos. baloney.

You are misrepresenting the filling of the Holy Spirit. Faith is rare these days but brothers from all over the world can testify to the truth in experience.

I just get so tired of 'spiritual' Christians who think they are the only ones. Who is going to be in heaven besides you and maybe 2 other people in this thread?

You blah blah blah on and on about spirituality and how bad other Christians are.

The ONLY thing Jesus said about knowing who His disciples are, is that they would be known by their love

The rest, including goosebump theology, is sounding brass.

Love rejoices with the one who has grown in Christ.

You guys don't have a clue. I've had experiences, but the real thing is the day to day living for Christ and loving others...I find the hardest people to love
are the Christians. Especially the super spiritual ones that complain about everyone elses' lack of spirituality

Get a cloud. The rest of us are trying to live on this earth as Jesus told us to. You know, picking up our cross and following him.

Well, tweet tweet tweet...watch those wings now.

Sheesh

It was nice conversing with you Sheesh! ;)