Harmful Doctrines Part 1

[Ritajanice]

Wrong!

Ephesians 1:7
"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace."

This verse explicitly ties forgiveness to the shedding of Jesus’ blood on the cross. His blood is the price for redemption and the means by which forgiveness is granted.

Colossians 1:19-20
"For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross."

Forgiveness and reconciliation are accomplished through the blood shed on the cross, which brings peace between God and humanity.

Matthew 26:28
"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

Jesus directly connects the shedding of His blood on the cross with the forgiveness (aphesis) of sins, fulfilling the promise of the new covenant.

Hebrews 9:22
"And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission."

This verse shows the necessity of bloodshed for forgiveness, with Christ's sacrifice on the cross being the ultimate fulfillment of this principle.

1 Peter 2:24
"Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed."

Jesus’ death on the cross ("tree") is described as the act by which He bore our sins, allowing for forgiveness and the healing of our spiritual condition.

Forgiveness of sins is a direct result of Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross. Through His blood, shed for humanity, believers receive redemption, cleansing, and peace with God. The cross stands as the central event in the divine plan of salvation and forgiveness.

J.

Your posting of scripture is meaningless, because you have no Living witness to back up who Jesus was.

Your understanding of scripture is from your own understanding.

Tell me how you know that God is a Spirit.now if you are Born Again thats an easy answer that you should be able to give?

Your intellectual knowledge of scripture and posting other people’s work/commentaries, is not enough to get you into God’s Kingdom.

 

[amigo de christo]

You have no measure of faith to give God..you don’t even know who he is, not until he decides to make himself known to us, he does that through the power of the Holy Spirit, when he births our spirit into his.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God.

We know of God in our spirit, we are his spirit children , we grow up in our spirit, as we are indwelled (in our spirit) by the Living Holy Spirit.l

No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit..who is Alive in Gods spirit children , heart/ spirit, we are very much Alive in our spirit.

Your preaching of how we are Born Of The Spirit is non Biblical...therefore I rebuke all of your opinions of how one is Born Again....you have made up in your own mind of how we are Born Of The Spirit..fairy talk you preach.on that subject, man made fairy talk.

We should really ponder on something .
cause the sort of evangeslism i do see by many WONT BE SAVING squat .
SO lets imagine a muslim , a hindu an atheist are standing in front of us .
Would what we say to them have shown them HOW to be forgiven , HOW to be saved .
IF the words YE MUST BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST is omitted , THEN ALL IS IN VAIN .
you can say all day to them lost , OH ye must be born again , OH ye must beleive in GOD
while true that is
YA GOTTA realize them religoins ALREADY BELIEVE they serve and believe in GOD or gods etc .
SO gotta preach CHRIST JESUS TO THEM . MANY have zero desire to do that
MANY now beleive its not even necessary for them to beleive .
MANY believe and be beleiving A FAT LIE . ANY WHO BELIEVES NOT the TESTMONY that GOD gave of the SON
CALLETH GOD a liar rita . IF WE OR ANY CALL GOD A LIAR , tell me dear sister , HOW WELL IS THAT GONNA WORK OUT
for any who does such a thing . . TIME to remind all that has breath of the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and to observe ALL things HE did teach . real simple .

 

[Ritajanice]

Wrong!

Ephesians 1:7
"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace."

This verse explicitly ties forgiveness to the shedding of Jesus’ blood on the cross. His blood is the price for redemption and the means by which forgiveness is granted.

Colossians 1:19-20
"For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross."

Forgiveness and reconciliation are accomplished through the blood shed on the cross, which brings peace between God and humanity.

Matthew 26:28
"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

Jesus directly connects the shedding of His blood on the cross with the forgiveness (aphesis) of sins, fulfilling the promise of the new covenant.

Hebrews 9:22
"And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission."

This verse shows the necessity of bloodshed for forgiveness, with Christ's sacrifice on the cross being the ultimate fulfillment of this principle.

1 Peter 2:24
"Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed."

Jesus’ death on the cross ("tree") is described as the act by which He bore our sins, allowing for forgiveness and the healing of our spiritual condition.

Forgiveness of sins is a direct result of Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross. Through His blood, shed for humanity, believers receive redemption, cleansing, and peace with God. The cross stands as the central event in the divine plan of salvation and forgiveness.

J.

You can also show me in that scripture where he forgave our sins,?

It’s not there, it’s because he died for our sins.that our sins can be forgiven by God, via His Living Holy Spirit.
.
Now you tell me how you personally knew or know that Jesus died for our sins..let’s hear your living testimony on how you know that?

All you ever do is post reams and reams of scripture, other people’s work and other people’s commentaries.,you lack spiritual knowledge, imo, you have none.

 

[amigo de christo]

Wrong!

Ephesians 1:7
"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace."

This verse explicitly ties forgiveness to the shedding of Jesus’ blood on the cross. His blood is the price for redemption and the means by which forgiveness is granted.

Colossians 1:19-20
"For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross."

Forgiveness and reconciliation are accomplished through the blood shed on the cross, which brings peace between God and humanity.

Matthew 26:28
"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

Jesus directly connects the shedding of His blood on the cross with the forgiveness (aphesis) of sins, fulfilling the promise of the new covenant.

Hebrews 9:22
"And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission."

This verse shows the necessity of bloodshed for forgiveness, with Christ's sacrifice on the cross being the ultimate fulfillment of this principle.

1 Peter 2:24
"Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed."

Jesus’ death on the cross ("tree") is described as the act by which He bore our sins, allowing for forgiveness and the healing of our spiritual condition.

Forgiveness of sins is a direct result of Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross. Through His blood, shed for humanity, believers receive redemption, cleansing, and peace with God. The cross stands as the central event in the divine plan of salvation and forgiveness.

J.

you do realize what the problem is .....
Many now preach a message not of CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED
but rather a message of being crucified WITHOUT HAVING TO BELEIVE ON HE WHO WAS , that is JESUS THE CHRIST .
and that makes that message IN TOTAL vain ,without hope and dead .
Many no likey the beleive in HIM part .

 

[Ritajanice]

THE BORN AGAIN have PROFESSED BY MOUTH JESUS THE CHRIST and BELIEVED from the HEART that GOD raised HIM from the dead

The Born Again are Born Of The Spirit, exactly as the penned word says.

You can only believe from the heart, if your spirit has been reborn.
The Spirit permanently indwells our spirit, it’s been reborn.now we learn all things of spiritual matters from the Spirit as we are spirit children?
I don’t understand your posts on how you believe you became Born Again.. other do( some) I don’t.

 

[Lambano]

"Forgiveness" is a horizontal relational term that indicates that the offense will not be a deal-breaker for the relationship. Other relational terms include "reconciliation" (restoration of a busted relationship), "righteousness" (being right with God and with each other), and "justification" (being declared "right" with God).

"Holiness" is a vertical term that indicates separation from this world for God's use and is metaphorically described by "separation" and "cleanliness" language. It includes things that are part of this world but are not sins.

I see some overlap between Forgiveness and "Cleanliness" at the intersection of the horizontal and vertical crossbeams. (Cruciform metaphor intentional.)

I find this model helpful in understanding the Biblical language.

 

[charity]

How important is doctrine in the life of a believer in Christ? Are we saved by having correct beliefs? How harmful can a doctrine be if it is not both biblically and spiritually sound? Join us as we investigate how we can fall into error and accept what is harmful and unhealthy to growth in Christ.

'But of Him are ye in ('en' - G1722) Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness,
and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let Him glory in ('en' - G1722) the Lord.'
(1Cor 1:30-31)

Hello @Episkopos,

I have watched the video in the OP, in which you highlight the words 'Liberty' (aphesis:- G859) and 'into' (eis:- G1519). Towards the end you referenced the verse above (1 Cor. 1:30), a verse which I delight in, for it tells us that it is of 'Him' (God) that we are 'in' Christ Jesus, it is not our doing. It is God Himself that places the believer - 'in' Christ Jesus.

* 'aphesis' (G859) meaning:- 'freedom', 'liberty', 'remission,' 'deliverance',' forgiveness' & figuratively:- 'pardon', 'release from sin'.
* 'eis' (G1519) meaning:- 'into, 'unto, 'to', 'towards', 'for', 'among'.

* eis:- is a primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.); also in adverbial phrases.: - [abundant-] ly, against, among, as, at, [back-] ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more exceeding, for [intent, purpose], fore, + forth, in (among, at unto, -so much that, -to), to the intent that, + of one mind, + never, of, (up-) on, + perish, + set at one again, (so) that, therefore (-unto), throughout, till, to (be, the end, -ward), (here-) until (-to), . . . ward, [where-] fore, with. Often used in composition with the same general import, but only with verbs (etc.) expressing motion (literally or figuratively).

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[amigo de christo]

The Born Again are Born Of The Spirit, exactly as the penned word says.

You can only believe from the heart, if your spirit has been reborn.
The Spirit permanently indwells our spirit, it’s been reborn.now we learn all things of spiritual matters from the Spirit as we are spirit children?
I don’t understand your posts on how you believe you became Born Again.. other do( some) I don’t.

Rita i already know the born again are born of the SPIRIT and that the born again PROFESS HIM TO BE THE CHRIST .
i sure hope ya dont think there are born again folks in other religoins
who though they BELIEVE NOT JESUS IS CHRIST are somehow still the born again . cause that be a lie of anti christ right THERE . .

 

[Episkopos]

'But of Him are ye in ('en' - G1722) Christ Jesus,
who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness,
and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let Him glory in ('en' - G1722) the Lord.'
(1Cor 1:30-31)

Hello @Episkopos,

I have watched the video in the OP, in which you highlight the words 'Liberty' (aphesis:- G859) and 'into' (eis:- G1519). Towards the end you referenced the verse above (1 Cor. 1:30), a verse which I delight in, for it tells us that it is of 'Him' (God) that we are 'in' Christ Jesus, it is not our doing. It is God Himself that places the believer - 'in' Christ Jesus.

* 'aphesis' (G859) meaning:- 'freedom', 'liberty', 'remission,' 'deliverance',' forgiveness' & figuratively:- 'pardon', 'release from sin'.
* 'eis' (G1519) meaning:- 'into, 'unto, 'to', 'towards', 'for', 'among'.

* eis:- is a primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.); also in adverbial phrases.: - [abundant-] ly, against, among, as, at, [back-] ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more exceeding, for [intent, purpose], fore, + forth, in (among, at unto, -so much that, -to), to the intent that, + of one mind, + never, of, (up-) on, + perish, + set at one again, (so) that, therefore (-unto), throughout, till, to (be, the end, -ward), (here-) until (-to), . . . ward, [where-] fore, with. Often used in composition with the same general import, but only with verbs (etc.) expressing motion (literally or figuratively).

In Christ Jesus
Chris

It's good to hear from a true believer. Thank you for your post. And I notice you are actually using a real Concordance to get at the actual meaning of words...which many here have no sense in doing (seeing they ONLY look for a human carnal agenda while ignoring the truth as much as possible). And you are so right about it being God's doing to place us IN Christ to walk where He is...and as He walked here on Earth. Too many have downgraded the gospel to being a mere cover-up for a life that is alien to God...justifying a walk according to the flesh while denying the power of the gospel to "take away" all sin (render powerless) from the life of the believer. Truly the grace of God is powerful to make overcomers of us. Truly the blood of Christ gives us His life in holiness.

Either we are walking in the kingdom of God without sin. Or else we live in a world where sin reigns and all we can do is try minimizing its power over us.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Born Again are Born Of The Spirit, exactly as the penned word says.

You can only believe from the heart, if your spirit has been reborn.
The Spirit permanently indwells our spirit, it’s been reborn.now we learn all things of spiritual matters from the Spirit as we are spirit children?
I don’t understand your posts on how you believe you became Born Again.. other do( some) I don’t.

The born again are BORN OF THE SPIRIT , THEY DO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
its not an either or rita .

 

[Johann]

The born again are BORN OF THE SPIRIT , THEY DO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
its not an either or rita .

LOL!

J.

 

[Behold]

You have no measure of faith to give God..you

Let me show you another way to understand that its OUR Faith, that God requires..

Paul teaches..

""""And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? = And how shall they HEAR without a preacher? """"

 

[Ritajanice]

The born again are BORN OF THE SPIRIT , THEY DO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
its not an either or rita .

You cannot believe who Christ was, not until you are Born Again..

Your post makes no sense to me, with respect.

We need that Living witness?..who testifies that truth to our spirit..

 

[IronMaiden]

Here you go again, you religious hypocrite. Bible thumper.

Why are you so angry?

 

[Ritajanice]

Let me show you another way to understand that its OUR Faith, that God requires..

Paul teaches..

""""And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? = And how shall they HEAR without a preacher? """"

You are posting once again your nonsense..we are Born Of The Spirit..nowhere does God say we are Born Of The Hearing.,

Like I explained your teaching of being Born Again is nonsense..that’s why I will continue to rebuke it.because it’s not biblical on how we are Born Again.

 

[amigo de christo]

LOL!

J.

Johann the question we ALL REALLY NEEDS to be asking ourselves is
WHY o WHY o WHY is it like pulling teeth outta a wild , very much alive , panther , to get her to even use the believe word .
WHAT DID paul preach
what did peter preach
what did CHRIST preach . OH THEY ALL KNEW ONE MUST BE BORN AGAIN
but they all went around preaching THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE BELEIVE AND BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
SO why the heck is this so hard for her to say . WHY does it seem so wrong
to her for me to tell her , WHO SOEVER BELIEVES that JESUS IS THE CHRIST is BORN OF GOD .
WHY does that bother her so much .
Cause all she ever does is quoate a truth back that says , ITS THE SPIRIT we must be born of , WHICH I ALREADY KNOW .
ITS the believe part JOHANN . I KNOW ALL ABOUT inclusivism and what it teaches .
We got a mega problem within the house of christendom . The gospel has been replaced now . the believe part anyway .
WHICH MEANS IT HAS BEEN REPLACED .

 

[Ritajanice]

Why are you so angry?

Please don’t accuse me of being angry, because I pointed something out to who I believe is a religious leader.

I have no anger in me ,thank you.

 

[Behold]

You are posting once again your nonsense..we are Born Of The Spirit..nowhere does God say we are Born Of The Hearing.,

You are not paying attention.

Listen...

Paul does not teach that anyone is born again, by HEARING..

Paul teaches that "faith .. .comes by hearing"........-THE Gospel.

Look again..

""""And how shall they believe in JESUS of whom they have not HEARD? = And how shall they HEAR without a preacher? """"

 

[Ritajanice]

You are not paying attention.

Listen...

Paul does not teach that anyone is born again, by HEARING..

Paul teaches that "faith .. .comes by hearing"........-THE Gospel.

Look again..

""""And how shall they believe in JESUS of whom they have not HEARD? = And how shall they HEAR without a preacher? """"

Hearing does not birth our spirit..

We must be Born of the Spirit..hearing is not how we are Born Again. You’ve been decieved..you are now trying to deceive me, it ain’t happening.

Therefore once again you post your own understanding of how we are Born Again, plus what you post is non biblical..on how we are Born Again,it comes by = supernatural divine heart revelation .. just as the penned word says.,not by hearing...therefore once again I rebuke your post.

Faith does not come by hearing.Faith is a supernatural gift from God.

Tell me how you know who Jesus was @Behold ?

 

[APAK]

I don't think any of you know the difference between forgiveness and sanctification. The carnal man only wants forgiveness...not the truth. The vast majority among those who claim to be justified are self-justified. Belief in fables is rampant. There is no safety in numbers.

Jesus did not come to forgive us our sins. He could have done that without any intervention. But to make us holy Jesus had to sacrifice Himself and give us His life. That is the truth which few can comprehend.

And you think I'm the one with wanky doctrine. How foolish.

For the slow to understand ones...look up how many times God forgave His people and Jesus forgave people without having to die to do so. Are we greater than God? We are to forgive 70 x7 without dying. Are we more merciful than God? Does God need to be forced through death to be simply merciful?

Again, it's because people know nothing about holiness that the focus on carnal forgiveness is so desired. The bible is very clear on this...in spite of wanky translations and wanky readings.

A person whose end goal and desire is to just be forgiven of sin in their lives and then to move back into the world, is not repentant, forgiven and carnal indeed - not saved at all.

Why are you so inclined to believe, without any proof, that most believers in Christ are these carnal people you suggest, not saved. And you never really fail to add by implication or directly, that you are but one of the few who have the secret sauce or elixir for eternal life? This is your common posture or attitude that you have learned over time. You might want to consider repositioning your stance a bit. You might be preaching to the wrong audience.

When one is touched by presence God, and his grace, through his Son, to come to contrite heartfelt repentance for sin, they now are driven and desire to want more that just forgiveness of sin. Their true desire and goal of repentance once accepted and justified by God, is their personal realization they are now reborn in spirit. They want forgiveness to begin their new life, to lead a holy and righteous life that brings salvation in the Kingdom, today.