Harmful Doctrines Part 1

[Ritajanice]

So, as i and some others have told you the last 50X, .. you are teaching that your forgiveness of sin and your new birth, happen together.

I preach no such thing.

And in fact, the New Birth Is God joining Himself to the FORGIVEN, believer.

God does not say the new birth is God joining himself to the Forgiven believer...that is you preaching such nonsense.

You are once again teaching from your own fairytale imagination.,so take your non biblical nonsense and ask the Spirit to help you understand in your spirit, what it means to be spiritually reborn.

You have to be FORGIVEN FIRST...., before, you are then spiritually "birthed"..

I never said any different...don’t take my words and twist them to say what you want them to to say.

.. as otherwise HOLY GOD is joining Himself to an UNFORGIVEN SINNER., and that can't happen.

The Holy God does not join himself to us.,,your fairytale talk, once again is not biblical.

Do not add to Gods word..which you do constantly. You post from your own understanding most of the time.

You need to post in the Spirit, therefore I too am now watching you, will pick you up on your many errors from now on.

Edit to add you giving God your faith to God is non biblical..as non believers that we once were , our faith then would be dead faith..you haven’t a clue how to give God your faith ....Faith is a gift from God, which is Alive and Active in our hearts/spirit...that’s the part that you don’t understand ..as it’s Spiritually discerned.

Romans 6:3-11

King James Version

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3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Behold

 

[ProDeo]

Episkopos will tell you that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness"..

Yeah, saw that in a couple of his posts, incredible. Jesus is the Lamb slain, the sinless Lamb slain, no more OT animal sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins, Jesus sacrifice on the cross replaced it and not only for the Jews, but for the whole world. Simple spiritual understanding.

Aside of that,

1Joh 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

Hebr 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh,
Hebr 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

 

[Episkopos]

Yeah, saw that in a couple of his posts, incredible. Jesus is the Lamb slain, the sinless Lamb slain, no more OT animal sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins, Jesus sacrifice on the cross replaced it and not only for the Jews, but for the whole world. Simple spiritual understanding.

Aside of that,

1Joh 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

Hebr 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh,
Hebr 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

I don't think any of you know the difference between forgiveness and sanctification. The carnal man only wants forgiveness...not the truth. The vast majority among those who claim to be justified are self-justified. Belief in fables is rampant. There is no safety in numbers.

Jesus did not come to forgive us our sins. He could have done that without any intervention. But to make us holy Jesus had to sacrifice Himself and give us His life. That is the truth which few can comprehend.

And you think I'm the one with wanky doctrine. How foolish.

For the slow to understand ones...look up how many times God forgave His people and Jesus forgave people without having to die to do so. Are we greater than God? We are to forgive 70 x7 without dying. Are we more merciful than God? Does God need to be forced through death to be simply merciful?

Again, it's because people know nothing about holiness that the focus on carnal forgiveness is so desired. The bible is very clear on this...in spite of wanky translations and wanky readings.

 

[Lizbeth]

I don't think any of you know the difference between forgiveness and sanctification. The carnal man only wants forgiveness...not the truth. The vast majority among those who claim to be justified are self-justified. Belief in fables is rampant. There is no safety in numbers.

Jesus did not come to forgive us our sins. He could have done that without any intervention. But to make us holy Jesus had to sacrifice Himself and give us His life. That is the truth which few can comprehend.

And you think I'm the one with wanky doctrine. How foolish.

We have been justified by faith but it's as we follow the Lord and grow that we begin to realize and be convicted that our sin problem goes deeper than we first realized....and further sanctification and a deeper repentance is therefore needed on our part, as I see it. If the Lord will grant it....I believe this must involve Him, His Spirit, just as much as when we first came to faith. Ask, seek and knock...".seek first His kingdom and His righteousness.....". The Lord is graciously imputing it to us meanwhile (if we are yet children, we are HIS children), but we also need to be endeavouring to apprehend it.....apprehend that for which Christ has apprehended us. In other words, possess!....as in promised land! enter in and possess what the Lord already has given into our hands.

 

[Lizbeth]

We can't repent of what we don't realize we need to repent of, so this is why the Lord leads us through trials and testings (wilderness) to expose and bring us face to face with our sin nature. The dross rising to the surface to be skimmed off the silver.

 

[amigo de christo]

We can't repent of what we don't realize we need to repent of, so this is why the Lord leads us through trials and testings (wilderness) to expose and bring us face to face with our sin nature. The dross rising to the surface to be skimmed off the silver.

The goodness of GOD leadeth us to repentance indeed dear sister .
Man failed but the LORD prevailed and all whose hope and trust , faith be IN CHRIST JESUS
have overcome the world . Anything HE allows to come against us will work to the GOOD of those who love Him .
Let all that draws breath both praise and thank the LORD .
Stay DUG and CLUNG to the one true and holy original gospel of Christ JESUS for many decievers abound
who have put their trust in self and do all to attain that which they will NEVER ATTAIN
outside of CHRIST JESUS . Stay dug in the bible sister . Many now preach a religion of false love
and that love will NOT and cannot savethem , no matter how hard they try and pick up their own cross
THEY WILL and DO fail and fall so very short of the GLORY OF GOD .

 

[Behold]

The Holy God does not join himself to us.,,

Listen....

"God is A Spirit".... and He birth's the believer as "Born again"... Into Himself......... = Spiritual Union with God.

That is "one with God"... "In Christ"

Just read this...

This is Jesus explaining "one with God'...

""""""those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you,

= that they also may be in US,

so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them,

= that they may be even as we are ONE

, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly ONE


, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me."""""

 

[Behold]

I don't think any of you know the difference between forgiveness

Forgiveness = is found on The Cross of Christ.

(The Sacrifice of Jesus for your sin).

and sanctification.

Here is the Believer's Eternal Sanctification.

1 Corinthians 1:30

Amplified Bible
But it is from Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God [revealing His plan of salvation], and righteousness [making us acceptable to God], and sanctification [making us holy and setting us apart for God], and redemption [providing our ransom from the penalty for sin],

Christian Standard Bible
It is from him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom from God for us—our righteousness, ,sanctification and redemption —

New American Standard Bible
But it is due to Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

English Standard Version
And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sancification and redemption,

 

[Ritajanice]

Listen....

"God is A Spirit".... and He birth's the believer as "Born again"... Into Himself......... = Spiritual Union with God.

That is "one with God"... "In Christ"

Your testimony is not Gods word.

Just read this...

This is Jesus explaining "one with God'...

""""""those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you,

= that they also may be in US,

so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them,

= that they may be even as we are ONE

, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly ONE

Once again your testimony on what you believe it means to be Born Again..we are Born Again..just as Gods word says.

, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me."""""

Once again your words.,do not add your words to Gods word on how we are Born Again..

 

[Behold]

Your testimony is not Gods word.

Your opinion is the same as usual.

Once again your testimony on what you believe it means to be Born Again..we are Born Again..just as Gods word says.

When a person gives their faith in Christ to God, as He requires... then God accepts their Faith.....forgives their Sin, and gives them the New Birth, that is cause by the Holy Spirit birthing their spirit INTO God..... who is "A Spirit"...

Now they are "born again", as a "new Creation"... "In Christ".

 

[Ritajanice]

Forgiveness = is found on The Cross of Christ.

Forgiveness of sins is not found on the cross of Christ.,,it’s because of the cross that our spirit can become Born Again, God draws us to Jesus..God brings us to repentance / Godly sorrow.,.are you listening..he brings us to repentance where we repent, he initially brings us to believe in Jesus, then gifts us supernatural faith, where our spirit becomes reborn, a Born Again is Alive in their spirit the moment it’s reborn.

Forgiveness of sins comes from God himself, not from the cross..

 

[amigo de christo]

Your opinion is the same as usual.





When a person gives their faith in Christ to God, as He requires... then God accepts their Faith.....forgives their Sin, and gives them the New Birth, that is cause by the Holy Spirit birthing their spirit INTO God..... who is "A Spirit"...

Now they are "born again", as a "new Creation"... "In Christ".

Who so ever BELIEVES that JESUS is the Christ is Born of God .
Who so ever denies JESUS is the Christ is anti christ . calling GOD all mighty himself a liar .
Let us never heed enterdeath or as they call it interfaith for all who do enter into that DEAD FAITH it speaks of
Just another friendly reminder to us all .

 

[Ritajanice]

Your opinion is the same as usual.





When a person gives their faith in Christ to God, as He requires... then God accepts their Faith.l

Nonsense , you have no faith to give to God as you are still in your sins, dead faith.,we are gifted supernatural faith, which is Alive and Active, our spirit comes alive the moment God chooses to birth our spirit..we have a living faith the moment we are birthed..we know of God / Jesus in our spirit, why.because that is where we have the Holy Spirit testifying that truth to our heart / spirit.
No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Living Holy Spirit.

....forgives their Sin, and gives them the New Birth, that is cause by the Holy Spirit birthing their spirit INTO God..... who is "A Spirit"...

Now they are "born again", as a "new Creation"... "In Christ".

Once again your non biblical opinion.

 

[amigo de christo]

Forgiveness of sins is not found on the criss of Christ.,,it’s because of the cross that our spirit can become Born Again, God draws us to Jesus..God brings us to repentance / Godly sorrow.,.are you listening..he brings us to repentance where we repent, he initially brings us to believe in Jesus, then gifts us supernatural faith, where our spirit becomes reborn, a Born Again is Alive in their spirit the moment it’s reborn.

Forgiveness comes from God himself, not from the cross..

some friendly reminders that will remind us all .
If one asks us WHO forgiveth sins we know its GOD .
But we sure wanna elaborate a whole lot more about this .
Cause you could tell that to a muslim and he gonna say WELL HEY LADY i believe in GOD so i am forgiven .
ONLY he no believe IN GOD for HE no BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
HOW CAN ONE be forgiven . That be the far better question indeed .
BELIEVE YE IN JESUS THE CHRIST , THE ONE ON THAT CROSS that was CRUCIFIED .
Lots of folks sure seem to like to overlook the BELIEVE IN HIM part .
As well as there are also many who might cliam to do so and yet LIP that name in vain as they just
use it as a means to do as they please and to serve their own lusts . That be known as dead faith .
Just a friendly , but a needful reminder for all to keep .

 

[Behold]

Nonsense , you have no faith to give to God as you are still in your sins

Everyone has the "measure of Faith"... Paul Teaches in Romans 12.

Now Calvinism denies this, and that is why you deny it.

 

[Johann]

Forgiveness of sins is not found on the cross of Christ.,,it’s because of the cross that our spirit can become Born Again, God draws us to Jesus..God brings us to repentance / Godly sorrow.,.are you listening..he brings us to repentance where we repent, he initially brings us to believe in Jesus, then gifts us supernatural faith, where our spirit becomes reborn, a Born Again is Alive in their spirit the moment it’s reborn.

Forgiveness comes from God himself, not from the cross..

Wrong!

Ephesians 1:7
"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace."

This verse explicitly ties forgiveness to the shedding of Jesus’ blood on the cross. His blood is the price for redemption and the means by which forgiveness is granted.

Colossians 1:19-20
"For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross."

Forgiveness and reconciliation are accomplished through the blood shed on the cross, which brings peace between God and humanity.

Matthew 26:28
"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

Jesus directly connects the shedding of His blood on the cross with the forgiveness (aphesis) of sins, fulfilling the promise of the new covenant.

Hebrews 9:22
"And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission."

This verse shows the necessity of bloodshed for forgiveness, with Christ's sacrifice on the cross being the ultimate fulfillment of this principle.

1 Peter 2:24
"Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed."

Jesus’ death on the cross ("tree") is described as the act by which He bore our sins, allowing for forgiveness and the healing of our spiritual condition.

Forgiveness of sins is a direct result of Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross. Through His blood, shed for humanity, believers receive redemption, cleansing, and peace with God. The cross stands as the central event in the divine plan of salvation and forgiveness.

J.

 

[amigo de christo]

Everyone has the "measure of Faith"... Paul Teaches in Romans 12.

Now Calvinism denies this, and that is why you deny it.

Let no man heed calvin or pope alvin
let all HEED CHRIST JESUS and love and embrace Every lovely word of Truth uttered outta His mouth .
Loving all the Holy Spirit inspired truth IN the scriptures , by which one sure can be made wise unto salvation
through FAITH in JESUS THE CHRIST .
but when men heed men and them men speak contrary to Christ JESUS , to that lovely beautiful GOD inspired truth
in scripture , they been made wise only UNTO SLAVATION for their faith be in another jesus produced
in the image of men and their doctrines which did so CONTRADICT CHRIST and HIS DOCTRINE
And on HIS DAY goats wail , but the sheep rejoice for they beleived IN HE WHO DID PREVAIL , CHRIST JESUS ,
and HOME forever shall they be with HE who has saved and kept them . just a friendly reminder to us all .

 

[Ritajanice]

Everyone has the "measure of Faith"... Paul Teaches in Romans 12.

Now Calvinism denies this, and that is why you deny it.

You have no measure of faith to give God..you don’t even know who he is, not until he decides to make himself known to us, he does that through the power of the Holy Spirit, when he births our spirit into his.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God.

We know of God in our spirit, we are his spirit children , we grow up in our spirit, as we are indwelled (in our spirit) by the Living Holy Spirit.l

No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit..who is Alive in Gods spirit children , heart/ spirit, we are very much Alive in our spirit.

Your preaching of how we are Born Of The Spirit is non Biblical...therefore I rebuke all of your opinions of how one is Born Again....you have made up in your own mind of how we are Born Of The Spirit..fairy talk you preach.on that subject, man made fairy talk.

 

[amigo de christo]

You have no measure of faith to give God..you don’t even know who he is, not until he decides to make himself known to us, he does that through the power of the Holy Spirit, when he births our spirit into his.

The Spirit testifies to our spirit that we are the children of God.

We know of God in our spirit, we are his spirit children , we grow up in our spirit, as we are indwelled (in our spirit) by the Living Holy Spirit.

Your preaching of how we are Born Of The Spirit is non Biblical...therefore I rebuke all of your opinions of how one is Born Again....you have made up in your own mind of how we are Born Of The Spirit..fairy talk you preach.

you gonna have to make this clear ritajanice .
Anyone can claim to be born again . BUT ARE THEY .
And The FATHER draws us to CHRIST JESUS , IT IS CHRIST JESUS WHO REVEALS THE FATHER UNTO US .
so anyone whose faith was not IN CHRIST JESUS knows NOT THE FATHER . ITS CHRIST who reveals the FATHER
to those WHO BELIEVE ON HIM , WHOM THE FATHER DREW TO CHRIST JESUS .
we gotta start sounding out THE WHOLE TRUTH .
WHO is the born again . cause it sure aint the false religoins doing all they can
THE BORN AGAIN have PROFESSED BY MOUTH JESUS THE CHRIST and BELIEVED from the HEART that GOD raised HIM from the dead .
Now remember i did say THE FATHER DRAWS US TOO HIM . Many have a serious
problem these days with men who dare to even remind people THEY MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
now why on earth is that .................