Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived

[rebuilder 454]

No, Revelation 6 is not Revelation 19

Revelation 6 is the coming of Jesus for a harvest. He sends His angels to gather the elect heaven and earth. He comes immediately after the great tribulation which is when Christians are being killed for their faith and to be more accurate, they are of the twelve tribes across the earth. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. This is why those that come out of great tribulation and got victory over the beast are singing the song of Moses.

THEN the wrath of God begins. Revelation 19 occurs at the end of the wrath of God. The wrath of God is the 7th seal. Both the trumpets and vials of Gods wrath occur in the 7th seal.


The great tribulation is when Christians are hunted down and killed. The wrath of God is when God pours out His wrath on an unbelieving world.

The Church is in heaven before the great tribulation. God turns His attention to the Jews. That is why there are 144,000 first fruits of the 12 tribes. That is why those that get victory over the beast with the blood of the Lamb are singing the song of Moses.

And there is not a 7 year tribulation. There is a 7 year period from the time a covenant with many is made.


The wrath of Lamb and the wrath of God are the same thing. Is Jesus God? Of course. Does Jesus lead the armies of heaven during the wrath of God. Nuff said.


You stopped. Why leave out the verse that tells us what is happening.
Matthew 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is a harvest.........a rapture. This is not Armageddon. Right after this harvest we see a great multitude in heaven.

Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Where do you think this great multitude comes from? It comes from the harvest at the 6th. All remain in heaven for the marriage supper. They are in heaven for one year while the trumpets and vials of God wrath happens. After this Revelation 19 white happens.

The tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins. Tribulation is not wrath.


I'm missing your point.

You have "carcasses" at your Rev 14 "coming:
Rev 14 is not to earth.
In Rev 14 the firstfruits are taken to heaven.
You have the subsequent "main Jewish harvest" to possibly do a turn back to earth?
Then Jesus somehow returns to heaven before Rev 19 and then we have the white horse coming?

IOW , You have tge battle of Armageddon twice.
Not plausible.
Lots of holes in your interpretation.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Absolutely YES the 6th Seal and Rev.19 with Jesus' coming are BOTH about the SAME timing of His future return to this earth, coming to gather His Church on the LAST DAY of this world.

It is also the 7th Trumpet timing, and the 7th Vial timing, both aligned with the 6th Seal and Rev.19 with Jesus' coming on the "day of the Lord".

The "day of the Lord" according to Apostle Peter, is when God's "consuming fire" will burn man's works off this earth which ABSOLUTELY MEANS THE LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD!

Yep

 

[The Light]

You have "carcasses" at your Rev 14 "coming:
Rev 14 is not to earth.

I know. Quit drawing incorrect conclusions.

In Rev 14 the firstfruits are taken to heaven.

I know.

You have the subsequent "main Jewish harvest" to possibly do a turn back to earth?

Stop it. Stop drawing all these nonsense incorrect conclusions.

Then Jesus somehow returns to heaven before Rev 19 and then we have the white horse coming?

Well you finally drew a correct conclusion and yet you disagree with it. Do you not understand that the marriage supper takes place in heaven before the white horses event?

IOW , You have tge battle of Armageddon twice.

Nope. I have never seen anyone continually draw so many incorrect conclusions. It's like out of the blue.

You have Jesus riding a magic carpet.......twice.

Not plausible.
Lots of holes in your interpretation.

You are creating all the holes. You just make crap up that I am not saying.

There are no holes.........only those you create with incorrect conclusions of what I am saying.

 

[The Light]

Yep

What Davy says is impossible. How can the 6th seal be the same as the 7th trumpet and 7th vial if you have to open the 7th seal to even get to the 7th trumpet and 7th vial.

Completely illogical and unscriptural

 

[The Light]

That's not what God's Word says. Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 that His coming to gather His Church is AFTER... the tribulation. And that is a DIRECT type statement by Jesus, not a parable.

Where does it say.........He comes to gather HIS CHURCH after the tribulation.

The gathering is from heaven and earth. The Church is already in heaven as He comes in an hour that you think not.

Those gathered from the earth that get victory over the beast are singing the song of Moses. They are of the twelve tribes across the earth. There are 144,000 first fruits of this harvest in Revelation 14.

 

[The Light]

Absolutely YES the 6th Seal and Rev.19 with Jesus' coming are BOTH about the SAME timing of His future return to this earth, coming to gather His Church on the LAST DAY of this world.

It is also the 7th Trumpet timing, and the 7th Vial timing, both aligned with the 6th Seal and Rev.19 with Jesus' coming on the "day of the Lord".

The "day of the Lord" according to Apostle Peter, is when God's "consuming fire" will burn man's works off this earth which ABSOLUTELY MEANS THE LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD!

Impossible. There is not a chance in China that the 6th seal and the 7th trumpet and 7th vial are the same thing. You have to open the 7th seal to get to the 7th trumpet and 7th vial so it is impossible for the 6th seal to be the same event.

Totally illogical and unscriptural

 

[The Light]

Your claims are from MEN'S DOCTRINES and not from Bible Scripture as written.

Man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory constantly abuses Apostle Paul's 1 Thess.5:9 verse where he said we are not appointed to wrath, when Paul was talking about the FINAL DAY OF THIS WORLD WHEN THE 7TH VIAL OF GOD'S CUP OF WRATH IS POURED OUT UPON THOSE WHO WILL BE SAYING, "Peace and safety"...

Clueless. Its apparent that you don't know what the pretrib believers think. I'll help you out. They also think that there are those left behind that go through the wrath of God.

They don't understand there are two raptures.

So your men's doctrines nonsense holds no water in my pond.

The end of the age is the 6th seal. That is when the great tribulation is over. The great tribulation is when believers are forced to take the mark of the beast or die.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days Jesus comes and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb. Hence..........the great multitude in heaven in Rev 7 and 19.

Then after the sixth seal, the 7th seal is opened, and its Gods turn. Wrath is poured out on the earth in the form of 7 trumpets and 7 vials.

Tribulation ends at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is the 7th seal. Tribulation is not wrath.

 

[Davy]

Impossible. There is not a chance in China that the 6th seal and the 7th trumpet and 7th vial are the same thing. You have to open the 7th seal to get to the 7th trumpet and 7th vial so it is impossible for the 6th seal to be the same event.

Totally illogical and unscriptural

I already showed the Scripture connection between all those, the 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial. You obviously just refuse the Scripture evidence in order to keep your false tradition of men.

SIXTH SEAL:
Rev 6:14-17
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
KJV

7TH TRUMPET:
Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
KJV

7TH VIAL:
Rev 16:17-20
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done."
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
KJV

All 3 of those above Scriptures are about the very last day of this present world when Jesus returns and gathers His faithful Church.

That day is called the "day of the Lord" (2 Peter 3:10; 1 Thess.5; 2 Thess.2 with "day of Christ" which is actually "day of the Lord" with Greek manuscripts that use Greek 'kurios', Greek for the word lord.)