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Do you really think HATING your parents is HONORING them? Your HATRED is Satanic!

Exodus 20:12

12 "Honor your father and your mother, that you may live long ...
Exodus 20:12 was spoken to the chosen people, the elect of God so of' course they honor their Godly parents. But that doesn't apply to ungodly parents, such as mine who are Roman Catholic.

You have to learn how to discern thew bible, before you make foolish accusations.
 

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I don't enjoy correcting people, but it is necessary. Jesus didn't lay down His life for everyone. He only did it for the elect of God. Because He said, "all that the Father gives Me will come to me, and I shall lose none"
He also said;


John 17:9 I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.

Notice Jesus didn't even pray for the salvation of the world, let alone lay down His life for them.

God is not love, there is much more to God than love. He is also hate, He is also jealous, He is also just, He is also angry everyday, He is also a Man of war and I could go on and on. You can't just pack God into a little love box and pretend that's all He is.

God commands me not to love the world, but according to you theology I should love the world. The word "world" refers to unbelievers. He said "love not the world".


For God so hates thew world that He killed every man, woman, child and baby in the womb with a world wide flood. He only spared 8 people and you're trying to tell me He loved those He destroyed, give me a break. You only destroy those you hate.

Your description of love is not found in the bible, the bible describes love in;

1 Cor 13:4
Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

For Gods mercy is freely given to His elect only, the rest get judgement and wrath.

We never attain this automatic behavior in this life, that only becomes automatic to saved people in the life to come, when we receive our glorified, sinless bodies and we receive the mind of Christ. Until then we will sin everyday of our lives.

God didn't give His Sons life for His enemies, that is a lie, He gave His Sons life to save His elect only.
Jesus doesn't forgive people filled with hatred unless they repent and stop hating people!
 
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Exodus 20:12 was spoken to the chosen people, the elect of God so of' course they honor their Godly parents. But that doesn't apply to ungodly parents, such as mine who are Roman Catholic.

You have to learn how to discern thew bible, before you make foolish accusations.
Guess Who said this.

Matthew 19:19
19 'Honor your father and your mother,'

Ephesians 6:2-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."
 

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God hates evil, and He hates when people do evil. But does He hate them personally? I don't think so. Did God hate Saul (Paul) when he was persecuting Chrstians? If He did, He wouldn't have brought him into the fold. If that hate was directed personally, then there would be no room for redemption. The gift of salvation is offered to all, sinner and saint alike. Whether they chose it or not is up to them.
 
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Your theology contradicts everything God said. God said He hates certain people, while He loves others, why do you reject what God said?, is it because you hate the truth?.
Why do you reject the fact that God hates some people before they are born, even though God plainly said it.
When you said God hates some before they are born. Are you referencing ‘As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.’

in taking a closer look at Romans 9:22-23 ‘What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction…
to me those vessels of destruction have been fitted of the world to do what the vessel is fitted for…it destroys. It back-bites, slanders, lies, cheats, hates its brother. Gossips, tears down and robs the words of God stealing the word sown in the hearts, it plants tares, it withers, it is blind and without power. I’m not disputing that vessel God hates. Yet all have been that vessel, first. For that which is first is flesh.

—-that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
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I’m not saying God does not hate the vessels fitted unto destruction(those vessels meant to be taken and destroyed). But I see that differently than maybe how you may translate it. I hear “go and destroy no more.” I see that a vessel built for destruction does what it says the vessel is “fitted” by the world to do, having received not the Spirit that comes from God but “fitted” of and by the world, by the spirit the world gives unto you. But in all of the above …God desires the getting rid of that vessel of destruction…enduring it only for a season willing to make His wrath known against those vessels fitted for destruction.

For the Greater than “destruction unto death” that He might make manifest(known) the vessels of Mercy in “obedience unto Christ.”

I’ve been both. No doubt in my mind that I have been a vessel fitted for destruction. That which was first. To me it is only by and through the Spirit given of God: the Spirit of power, of love, and a sound mind….that to me helps with “it’s for His Mercy we are not consumed”.

I get how God hated and was an enemy to me when I sowed a harvest of destruction in bringing forth sin unto death. I am not saying God does not hate that…for it produces evil…im not disputing that God hated it because He is good and wanted better things pertaining to Mercy and Grace and “a better outcome” He desires for you, long-suffering God is in enduring my Hard heart, enduring my evil ways that He might make known His Glory in Mercy Grace and forgiveness of wanting to give good lasting things and not empty vain things to me. That is just how I feel about it.

Concerning hating mother father brother sister and even your own life. This I will still consider but in application of Life. As you said you must do as he said in reference to hating those things. I also have to do in my life the best I know to do by what I hear God say. My mom is 93. I’ve been caring for her deteriorating state for at least ten years. It’s felt like a heavy strain. My mom believes you die and go in the grave and that is it. Lights out for good. There is nothing after. She sees her life…I know this by her words even in her mental decline …that a thief come upon her and all her life has been wasted. People will disagree but this is the only reason I think I’m to remain sober, to watch and be awake in preparing against the thief that comes to steal, kill, and destroy. If chosen to be awake and to watch and prepared against that day having put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to withstand in that day. I do think I know why some are chosen to wake up beforehand, while it is still yet night they wake up early. She doesn’t say this. I see the thief has come upon mom to steal, kill, and destroy. She wails in her loss of memories except for the vital parts…that she never had a stable home, no father whom loved her but one who told her she is nothing but trouble and he wished she was not there, she was physically and mentally abused by three husbands and I hear her wailing …not exactly in these words—but close to a trumpet— “woe a thief came and stole (took)all I trusted in.” My mother still to this day has never said she is sorry about lying to me about who my father is, she still blames my older sister. Everything has always been someone else’s faught. My mom has never owned any of her mistakes. Yet, if I apply Jesus Christ’s words as you apply them …I’m free to hate her and walk away. I disagree. My showing I love God more than I love father, mother, brother, sister, and even my own life IS by loving my mother as God showed me that He loves me out of all my mistakes and things I did against God. Not for one minute do I think I have the pass to walk. I’m conflicted because yes I often want to being weary and desiring to exit. But it’s His discipleship that helps on those days I want to give up. The most tender times with mom is when she is broken and childlike and God calms my “I’m not getting to do the things I want to do today” and He redirects my eyes towards my mom and He changes the perspective to “for His Love” is greater than hatred. I don’t and can’t help mom because she deserves it, I help her because God also helps those who don’t deserve it. Me being one of them.

Undeniable my mother has taught me a lot. She has taught me forgiveness, long-suffering, mercy, grace, and truth. If I’ve awakened early in the night, being given the riches and wealth being of the Day, being no more of death having passed from death unto Life. To me it’s to prepare against the thief who comes to steal, kill and destroy. Even while it’s yet still dark.
 
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I'm too tired to have this discussion, yes, God's word don't need defending-it is rightly dividing the D'varim of YHVH that's crucial.
You are highly strung and easily offended, a recipe for disaster.
J.
Well no I am not highly strung and easily offended. You are reading too much into mere words placed on a screen. I am at peace during the times I respond. I have taken many insults and not worry about them.

I would suggest you take time to know me before you make such false accusations.

I do care however for people who call them selves my brethren having anger and rage on line.
 
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Well no I am not highly strung and easily offended. You are reading too much into mere words placed on a screen. I am at peace during the times I respond. I have taken many insults and not worry about them.

I would suggest you take time to know me before you make such false accusations.

I do care however for people who call them selves my brethren having anger and rage on line.
I would suggest you do the same-getting to know me.
J.
 

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Yes I hate my parents because I obey my Lord and Savior. Unlike you, I don't cherry pick Gods Word to trash the bitter things and only eat the sweet things.
Ephesians 6:2-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."
 
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Jesus doesn't forgive people filled with hatred unless they repent and stop hating people!
Don't be silly, Jesus forgives murderers, adulterers and every other type of sinner. In fact there is no sin that He doesn't forgive the elect of God, so don't worry about me, I have already been saved and IO have inherited eternal life in paradise. I have Gods guarantee and nothing can cause me to lose my salvation and inheritance.

I don't need to repent for obeying the Lord, you need to repent of your unbelief and disobedience. See how that works?
 

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Guess Who said this.

Matthew 19:19
19 'Honor your father and your mother,'

Ephesians 6:2-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."
Those verses are just quoting the old testament commandments, which we already know are impossible to keep. The commandments were only given to condemn those who try to keep the law, and cause Gods people to run to Jesus for salvation, rather than trusting in heir works, which are nothing more than filthy stinking rags.

So keeping the commandments never saved anyone, they just serve to condemn those fools who try to keep them to hell. The rich young ruler was still in the Old Covenant mindset, and Jesus condemned him to hell be showing him that he can't keep the commandments. See, you don't know how to apply scripture, you just pluck verses out of their intended context and abuse them to push some false doctrine.
 

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When you said God hates some before they are born. Are you referencing ‘As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.’

in taking a closer look at Romans 9:22-23 ‘What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction…
to me those vessels of destruction have been fitted of the world to do what the vessel is fitted for…it destroys. It back-bites, slanders, lies, cheats, hates its brother. Gossips, tears down and robs the words of God stealing the word sown in the hearts, it plants tares, it withers, it is blind and without power. I’m not disputing that vessel God hates. Yet all have been that vessel, first. For that which is first is flesh.

—-that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
….
I’m not saying God does not hate the vessels fitted unto destruction(those vessels meant to be taken and destroyed). But I see that differently than maybe how you may translate it. I hear “go and destroy no more.” I see that a vessel built for destruction does what it says the vessel is “fitted” by the world to do, having received not the Spirit that comes from God but “fitted” of and by the world, by the spirit the world gives unto you. But in all of the above …God desires the getting rid of that vessel of destruction…enduring it only for a season willing to make His wrath known against those vessels fitted for destruction.

For the Greater than “destruction unto death” that He might make manifest(known) the vessels of Mercy in “obedience unto Christ.”

I’ve been both. No doubt in my mind that I have been a vessel fitted for destruction. That which was first. To me it is only by and through the Spirit given of God: the Spirit of power, of love, and a sound mind….that to me helps with “it’s for His Mercy we are not consumed”.

I get how God hated and was an enemy to me when I sowed a harvest of destruction in bringing forth sin unto death. I am not saying God does not hate that…for it produces evil…im not disputing that God hated it because He is good and wanted better things pertaining to Mercy and Grace and “a better outcome” He desires for you, long-suffering God is in enduring my Hard heart, enduring my evil ways that He might make known His Glory in Mercy Grace and forgiveness of wanting to give good lasting things and not empty vain things to me. That is just how I feel about it.

Concerning hating mother father brother sister and even your own life. This I will still consider but in application of Life. As you said you must do as he said in reference to hating those things. I also have to do in my life the best I know to do by what I hear God say. My mom is 93. I’ve been caring for her deteriorating state for at least ten years. It’s felt like a heavy strain. My mom believes you die and go in the grave and that is it. Lights out for good. There is nothing after. She sees her life…I know this by her words even in her mental decline …that a thief come upon her and all her life has been wasted. People will disagree but this is the only reason I think I’m to remain sober, to watch and be awake in preparing against the thief that comes to steal, kill, and destroy. If chosen to be awake and to watch and prepared against that day having put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to withstand in that day. I do think I know why some are chosen to wake up beforehand, while it is still yet night they wake up early. She doesn’t say this. I see the thief has come upon mom to steal, kill, and destroy. She wails in her loss of memories except for the vital parts…that she never had a stable home, no father whom loved her but one who told her she is nothing but trouble and he wished she was not there, she was physically and mentally abused by three husbands and I hear her wailing …not exactly in these words—but close to a trumpet— “woe a thief came and stole (took)all I trusted in.” My mother still to this day has never said she is sorry about lying to me about who my father is, she still blames my older sister. Everything has always been someone else’s faught. My mom has never owned any of her mistakes. Yet, if I apply Jesus Christ’s words as you apply them …I’m free to hate her and walk away. I disagree. My showing I love God more than I love father, mother, brother, sister, and even my own life IS by loving my mother as God showed me that He loves me out of all my mistakes and things I did against God. Not for one minute do I think I have the pass to walk. I’m conflicted because yes I often want to being weary and desiring to exit. But it’s His discipleship that helps on those days I want to give up. The most tender times with mom is when she is broken and childlike and God calms my “I’m not getting to do the things I want to do today” and He redirects my eyes towards my mom and He changes the perspective to “for His Love” is greater than hatred. I don’t and can’t help mom because she deserves it, I help her because God also helps those who don’t deserve it. Me being one of them.

Undeniable my mother has taught me a lot. She has taught me forgiveness, long-suffering, mercy, grace, and truth. If I’ve awakened early in the night, being given the riches and wealth being of the Day, being no more of death having passed from death unto Life. To me it’s to prepare against the thief who comes to steal, kill and destroy. Even while it’s yet still dark.
I wasn't just referring to Gods hatred of Esau, before He was born. Lets not forget the millions of unborn babies God hated and killed in the flood and in Sodom and Gamora and those entire ethnic groups which God ordered His people to kill to the last child and pregnant woman.

Most Church Ministers hide Gods hatred, like it was some dirty secret or taboo subject. Todays Politically Correct all inclusive churches, don't preach the whole counsel of God. They avoid preaching on sin, judgement, depravity of man, hell and many other terrible truths of the gospel.
I approached a Minister when I was Church shopping, and asked him why he never preaches on any of the above. His response was "that fire and brimstone preaching is not suitable for this demographic" the area surrounding the Church has a large LGBT community, so he was trying to make them feel welcome and included.

As you rightly pointed out, we are all born with a sin nature, so we will naturally reject God and live to fulfill our sinful desires. The bible says we are born dead in sin, as such we cannot chose to quicken ourselves to life and make a choice to hate what we love and love the One we hate. Most Christians don't believe that they were once the enemies of God, because it's another one of those things we don't like to hear.

If God leaves us in our natural state, we will never find the power to defeat our sin nature and put it to death and give ourselves a new nature. God must do it all for us, otherwise we will remain in our condemned sate.

We should never venture into the forbidden territory to ask God why He created some vessels to honor and some to dishonor. That's Gods business and nobody has a right to ask Him why He does what He does. We have many examples in the bible were some asked Him about this, and His answer was always to the effect of "mind your own business".
The truth of the gospel is, that God chose some for honor and some for dishonor, before He created the world.

Please don't be troubled by your mom's spiritual state, don't let her state rob you of the joy that God has given you. I'm sure you have shared the gospel with your mom, and that is the greatest honor you can bestow on her or anyone else for that matter. God is sovereign over salvation, if God choses to save your mom she will still be saved, if He hasn't then it's His will and you should respect Gods decision and leave it in His hands.

We all pray for our unsaved families, friends and relatives. All we can do is bare a faithful testimony by the way we live our lives and share the gospel with them at every opportunity. God uses us to proclaim His Word to everyone, and He gives us the grace to live an exemplary life so they can see the blessings we receive and the rest is in Gods hands. At least their blood will be on our hands.
 
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Ephesians 6:2-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."
OK, so now Jesus has a mental health issue with bi polar. Your saying He says one thing, then He contradicts Himself in another passage of scripture.

I personally rebuke everyone who accuses my Lord of being a hypocrite and contradicting Himself.

I honor my parents by sharing the terrible truth of the gospel with them. Their religion teaches them that their good works will convince God they're worthy of salvation. I hate that religion, because it's antichrist, and I know God also hates it. So my love towards my parents is hate in their eyes, and the gospel I share with them is hate speech.
So there's a lot of hate in our relationship.

I honor my father and mother by honoring the Lord, they don't consider my witness as a honorable thing. But their disapproval of my faith, doesn't cause me to be silent and try to get along for the sake of peace.

If your Doctor told you, that you have cancer and you need urgent treatment. Would that mean that your Doctor hates you, it ay be the worst thing you ever heard and it might make you angry but you can't say that your Doctor hates you.
 

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OK, so now Jesus has a mental health issue with bi polar. Your saying He says one thing, then He contradicts Himself in another passage of scripture.

I personally rebuke everyone who accuses my Lord of being a hypocrite and contradicting Himself.

I honor my parents by sharing the terrible truth of the gospel with them. Their religion teaches them that their good works will convince God they're worthy of salvation. I hate that religion, because it's antichrist, and I know God also hates it. So my love towards my parents is hate in their eyes, and the gospel I share with them is hate speech.
So there's a lot of hate in our relationship.

I honor my father and mother by honoring the Lord, they don't consider my witness as a honorable thing. But their disapproval of my faith, doesn't cause me to be silent and try to get along for the sake of peace.

If your Doctor told you, that you have cancer and you need urgent treatment. Would that mean that your Doctor hates you, it ay be the worst thing you ever heard and it might make you angry but you can't say that your Doctor hates you.
Is there anyone you don't HATE?
 

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I wasn't just referring to Gods hatred of Esau, before He was born. Lets not forget the millions of unborn babies God hated and killed in the flood and in Sodom and Gamora and those entire ethnic groups which God ordered His people to kill to the last child and pregnant woman.

Most Church Ministers hide Gods hatred, like it was some dirty secret or taboo subject. Todays Politically Correct all inclusive churches, don't preach the whole counsel of God. They avoid preaching on sin, judgement, depravity of man, hell and many other terrible truths of the gospel.
I approached a Minister when I was Church shopping, and asked him why he never preaches on any of the above. His response was "that fire and brimstone preaching is not suitable for this demographic" the area surrounding the Church has a large LGBT community, so he was trying to make them feel welcome and included.

As you rightly pointed out, we are all born with a sin nature, so we will naturally reject God and live to fulfill our sinful desires. The bible says we are born dead in sin, as such we cannot chose to quicken ourselves to life and make a choice to hate what we love and love the One we hate. Most Christians don't believe that they were once the enemies of God, because it's another one of those things we don't like to hear.

If God leaves us in our natural state, we will never find the power to defeat our sin nature and put it to death and give ourselves a new nature. God must do it all for us, otherwise we will remain in our condemned sate.

We should never venture into the forbidden territory to ask God why He created some vessels to honor and some to dishonor. That's Gods business and nobody has a right to ask Him why He does what He does. We have many examples in the bible were some asked Him about this, and His answer was always to the effect of "mind your own business".
The truth of the gospel is, that God chose some for honor and some for dishonor, before He created the world.

Please don't be troubled by your mom's spiritual state, don't let her state rob you of the joy that God has given you. I'm sure you have shared the gospel with your mom, and that is the greatest honor you can bestow on her or anyone else for that matter. God is sovereign over salvation, if God choses to save your mom she will still be saved, if He hasn't then it's His will and you should respect Gods decision and leave it in His hands.

We all pray for our unsaved families, friends and relatives. All we can do is bare a faithful testimony by the way we live our lives and share the gospel with them at every opportunity. God uses us to proclaim His Word to everyone, and He gives us the grace to live an exemplary life so they can see the blessings we receive and the rest is in Gods hands. At least their blood will be on our hands.
This video sums it up (I think, or in my opinion )


What God meant for good, men meant for evil. What God calls needful, men call robbery.
The first thing to go into the lake of fire prepared of God to destroy all that is false …the first to go in is fear. Followed by everything that makes(builds) a lie, all things false. All things destroyed that are not of God are cast into the fire. I don’t know if who wrote this realizes they have blown apart this idea of hell and torment but …it’s casting into the fire the things that do harm and destroy. Lies. Falsehood. Fear of what men can do to the body. Then comes the voice whispering …hell is a place of torment where “fear” is the first to go —cast into the fire. The Fire—-our God is a consuming Fire— consumes—destroys “torment” that is good news I think. It gets me excited where yes “cast your fear in the Fire” for fear is a Liar”. He evens says Perfect Love cast out fear, for fear is torment. Personally I think we have it backwards calling the Fire that destroys every lie, all falsehoods as evil. Just my opinion…I think the song says something needful and profound …because it follows
Revelation 21:7-10 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. [8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. [9] And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew you the bride, the Lamb's wife. [10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Having put off the old man(into the fire) and put on the New man…to her it was granted to be clothed in New garments…which is the righteousness of the saints.
 

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Lets not forget the millions of unborn babies God hated and killed in the flood and in Sodom and Gamora and those entire ethnic groups which God ordered His people to kill to the last child and pregnant woman.
Where does it say God hated babies? He probably saved them from Hell fire!
 

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This video sums it up (I think, or in my opinion )


What God meant for good, men meant for evil. What God calls needful, men call robbery.
The first thing to go into the lake of fire prepared of God to destroy all that is false …the first to go in is fear. Followed by everything that makes(builds) a lie, all things false. All things destroyed that are not of God are cast into the fire. I don’t know if who wrote this realizes they have blown apart this idea of hell and torment but …it’s casting into the fire the things that do harm and destroy. Lies. Falsehood. Fear of what men can do to the body. Then comes the voice whispering …hell is a place of torment where “fear” is the first to go —cast into the fire. The Fire—-our God is a consuming Fire— consumes—destroys “torment” that is good news I think. It gets me excited where yes “cast your fear in the Fire” for fear is a Liar”. He evens says Perfect Love cast out fear, for fear is torment. Personally I think we have it backwards calling the Fire that destroys every lie, all falsehoods as evil. Just my opinion…I think the song says something needful and profound …because it follows
Revelation 21:7-10 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. [8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. [9] And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew you the bride, the Lamb's wife. [10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Having put off the old man(into the fire) and put on the New man…to her it was granted to be clothed in New garments…which is the righteousness of the saints.
God commands us to fear Him, He said "the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom". So fear is my greatest asset.

So fear of God is very good, but fear of anything or anyone else is sinful. I have no fear of the Devil, He keeps well away from me, because He knows He has no power over me at all. To me He's nothing more than a barking dog on a short chain, I spit in His face and He can't do nothing about it.

It doesn't make sense to say that fear will be burned up, this can't be true because I can't have any wisdom without fear so it's an extremely important gift, which will never be burned up in any way shape or form.
 

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Where does it say God hated babies? He probably saved them from Hell fire!
god made it clear that He not only hates babies, but He hates the unborn babies as well. Tou really don't know much about God at all, do you???

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

As you can see God hates babies before they are born, why don't you god and join a beginners bible class. It would help you a lot.
 

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Enemies are to be fought, just not in a carnal way, we fight the enemy and our enemies with the Word of God, we hate the sin not the sinner, for we all sin, and whoever says he doesn't the truth is not in him, God is God, and God is love, He hates that which is not of love, and that is sin, not what He created in His image.