Genesis 1:26 Revisited, the Ordinal “FIRST”

[kcnalp]

yes, lets try it again, listen, Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

k, the LORD is the First and the Last, now Jesus the Son, Revelation 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"
Revelation 1:11 "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea."


well k, the LORD who is Father is the First and the Last, and the Lord/Son is the First and the Last, this is elementary dear Watson. it's the same one Person..... yea..

again reproved..... and corrected.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

So you're saying Jesus was praying to Himself? Oh my!
Luke 23:34 (NKJV)
34 Then Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."

 

[101G]

So you're saying Jesus was praying to Himself? Oh my!
Luke 23:34 (NKJV)
34 Then Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."

LOL, no to his "DIVERSIFIED" self in flesh. have you not read the bible?

listen, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" BINGO, now go and atudy that scripture, and the DIVERSITY in right in the verse.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[kcnalp]

LOL, no to his "DIVERSIFIED" self in flesh. have you not read the bible?

Well yeah, I quote the Bible all the time. Don't blame me that you don't recognize the Scriptures.

listen, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" BINGO, now go and atudy that scripture, and the DIVERSITY in right in the verse.

And you still don't read what you reply to! How many times do I have to say JESUS IS GOD???

 

[101G]

Well yeah, I quote the Bible all the time. Don't blame me that you don't recognize the Scriptures.

And you still don't read what you reply to! How many times do I have to say JESUS IS GOD???

and how many time must I say Jesus is God who is Father and "diversified"/Shared in Flesh as Son?

now read and study Phil 2:6, else I will not answer you... STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVE UNTO GOD.

now study Phil 2:6 and then get back to me.... ok.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[kcnalp]

and how many time must I say Jesus is God who is Father and "diversified"/Shared in Flesh as Son?

now read and study Phil 2:6, else I will not answer you... STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVE UNTO GOD.

now study Phil 2:6 and then get back to me.... ok.

If Jesus is the Son of God then Who is Jesus' Father? God the Father! BINGO!!!

 

[101G]

LOL, I have to laugh, see you're still carnal, did I not reprove you before, the term "Son", has no reference to descendants, and without reference to sex. see you're still carnal, a natural man. so since you are still in the flesh, then, once more, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." (smile)....... lol, YIKES!

now k, who's the Father? that's right the conceiver..... elementary dear Waston, elementary. now you're stuck, because according to you in the Natural, the Holy Ghost is the Father, now who is the so-called person you miscarriage in calling the Father? well....

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[kcnalp]

LOL, I have to laugh, see you're still carnal, did I not reprove you before, the term "Son", has no reference to descendants, and without reference to sex. see you're still carnal, a natural man. so since you are still in the flesh, then, once more, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." (smile)....... lol, YIKES!

now k, who's the Father? that's right the conceiver..... elementary dear Waston, elementary. now you're stuck, because according to you in the Natural, the Holy Ghost is the Father, now who is the so-called person you miscarriage in calling the Father? well....

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Nice fairy tale. No proof!

If Jesus is the Son of God then Who is Jesus' Father? God the Father! BINGO!!!

 

[101G]

Nice fairy tale. No proof!

well lets see, according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words "SON", It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics. (c) descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27; (f) those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14;

see K, this is Spiritual, listen, 1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."
1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

BINGO, .... YIKES!.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[kcnalp]

well lets see, according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words "SON", It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics. (c) descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27; (f) those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14;

see K, this is Spiritual, listen, 1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."
1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

BINGO, .... YIKES!.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Whom did Jesus pray to? You don't seem to have a clue!

Matthew 11:25 (NKJV)
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.

 

[101G]

Whom did Jesus pray to? You don't seem to have a clue!

Matthew 11:25 (NKJV)
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.

you missed my answer, look back at this post... Genesis 1:26 Revisited, the Ordinal “FIRST”

and understand the difference of the Ordinal First, and the Ordinal Last, the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') of Genesis 1:1...

as I have been saying, the Son of God was not at Genesis 1:1 but JESUS was..... that statement just blows your mind, dose it not?...

see, phil 2:6 answer that statement... BINGO.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[kcnalp]

you missed my answer, look back at this post... Genesis 1:26 Revisited, the Ordinal “FIRST”

Glad you brought up US and OUR Whom you also reject!

and understand the difference of the Ordinal First, and the Ordinal Last, the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') of Genesis 1:1...

Ordinal? No, not in my Bible.

as I have been saying, the Son of God was not at Genesis 1:1 but JESUS was..... that statement just blows your mind, dose it not?...

No proof? Of course not!

see, phil 2:6 answer that statement... BINGO.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"[/QUOTE]
If Jesus is the Son of God then Who is Jesus' Father? God the Father! You don't even know Who Jesus called His Father. BINGO!!!

 

[101G]

lol, (shake head)... wow... just cain't believe it.

 

[kcnalp]

just cain't believe it.

The Scriptures where Jesus prayed to His Father in Heaven?

 

[101G]

Ordinal? No, not in my Bible.

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the reply, second, drop Y...O...U...R bible and get a real bible. now, lets see where Ordinal is in the bible, maybe not in ..."YOUR" bible, but it's in God's Holy WORD. have you ever heard of, the "First", and the "Last?". well First and Last are ordinal Numbers... that's the difference in comparisons to cardinal numbers. lets see it in the bible clearly.... are you familiar with this verse? Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
this term "ONE", it's the Hebrew word, H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

did you see definition #2? (as an ordinal) first. BINGO, again the First and the Last who is Jesus........ Jesus as ordinal First, in the Beginning, Spirit, Genesis 1:1, and Jesus as the Ordinal Last, John 1:1, spirit, diversified in Flesh as a man, the "LAST" ADAM, 1 Corinthians 15:45, (Ain't no more, because we are all in him, well at least most of us... ). ...... who is THE SON OF GOD. oh how easy the bible is when you're taught by the BEST and GREATIST TEACHER... EVER, the Only TRUE and LIVING GOD, the Holy Spirit. the SAME one who taught his apostles, and disciples, yes the same one.... and now .. TODAY... he's available. do you really understand what was just said? the same teacher who taught Peter, Paul, James, and the reswt is our teacher TODAY.

now for your edification, and many others, did you see how the KJV can translate H259 אֶחָד 'echad?.. "a man". many have said that man is a trinity, ERROR, man is a H259 אֶחָד 'echad, just like God, another of oneself.... the proof is in the definition of Adam/Man itself, as in mankind.
H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119

BINGO, the KJV can translate Adam as "X another" meaning that Man is an H259 אֶחָד 'echad of himself just like God, NOT A TRINITY. Eve is the X Another of Adam in in flesh, but the (same spirit). the Lord Jesus, the Son of God is ANOTHER of God in flesh, but the (same Spirit). oh my, it confirm Phil 2:6 and 7 & 8, perfectly to a tee.

also, it confirms Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

see k, you have no excuse. many say the Godhead cannot be explain, well I say hog wash, the scriptures are clear, "being understood by the things that are made". was not MAN, "MADE", "FIRST", then the WOMAN, "LAST?" my God the evidence is right in front of our faces. 1 Timothy 2:13 "For Adam was first formed, then Eve." BINGO, First and Last.

now more edification, understand, the word "First" here 1 Timothy 2:13 is the Greek word,
G4413 πρῶτος protos (prō'-tos) adj.
foremost (in time, place, order or importance).
[contracted superlative of G4253]
KJV: before, beginning, best, chief(-est), first (of all), former
Root(s): G4253

see how the KJV can translate it as? beginning also as in BEGINNING, Genesis 1:1 the First, and John 1:1 ... now look up beginning in each scripture.

just as the Lord Jesus is the, beginning, the First in the NEW CREATION,

Colossians 1:18 "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."
preeminence: G4409 πρωτεύω proteuo (prō-tev'-ō) v.
to be first (in rank or influence). BINGO
[from G4413]
KJV: have the preeminence
Root(s): G4413

I just Love it how God, the Holy Spirit, by the KJV just hid things in plain view, the proverb is correct, Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."

see k, you might want to "SEARCH" out the bible, not your bible, but the BIBLE, that is God the Holy Spirit. for he is the WORD of WISDOM.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

You might want to re-read this post againg for complete clarity, and edification

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[kcnalp]

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the reply, second, drop Y...O...U...R bible and get a real bible. now, lets see where Ordinal is in the bible, maybe not in ..."YOUR" bible, but it's in God's Holy WORD. have you ever heard of, the "First", and the "Last?". well First and Last are ordinal Numbers... that's the difference in comparisons to cardinal numbers. lets see it in the bible clearly.... are you familiar with this verse? Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
this term "ONE", it's the Hebrew word, H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

did you see definition #2? (as an ordinal) first. BINGO, again the First and the Last who is Jesus........ Jesus as ordinal First, in the Beginning, Spirit, Genesis 1:1, and Jesus as the Ordinal Last, John 1:1, spirit, diversified in Flesh as a man, the "LAST" ADAM, 1 Corinthians 15:45, (Ain't no more, because we are all in him, well at least most of us... ). ...... who is THE SON OF GOD. oh how easy the bible is when you're taught by the BEST and GREATIST TEACHER... EVER, the Only TRUE and LIVING GOD, the Holy Spirit. the SAME one who taught his apostles, and disciples, yes the same one.... and now .. TODAY... he's available. do you really understand what was just said? the same teacher who taught Peter, Paul, James, and the reswt is our teacher TODAY.

now for your edification, and many others, did you see how the KJV can translate H259 אֶחָד 'echad?.. "a man". many have said that man is a trinity, ERROR, man is a H259 אֶחָד 'echad, just like God, another of oneself.... the proof is in the definition of Adam/Man itself, as in mankind.
H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119

BINGO, the KJV can translate Adam as "X another" meaning that Man is an H259 אֶחָד 'echad of himself just like God, NOT A TRINITY. Eve is the X Another of Adam in in flesh, but the (same spirit). the Lord Jesus, the Son of God is ANOTHER of God in flesh, but the (same Spirit). oh my, it confirm Phil 2:6 and 7 & 8, perfectly to a tee.

also, it confirms Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

see k, you have no excuse. many say the Godhead cannot be explain, well I say hog wash, the scriptures are clear, "being understood by the things that are made". was not MAN, "MADE", "FIRST", then the WOMAN, "LAST?" my God the evidence is right in front of our faces. 1 Timothy 2:13 "For Adam was first formed, then Eve." BINGO, First and Last.

now more edification, understand, the word "First" here 1 Timothy 2:13 is the Greek word,
G4413 πρῶτος protos (prō'-tos) adj.
foremost (in time, place, order or importance).
[contracted superlative of G4253]
KJV: before, beginning, best, chief(-est), first (of all), former
Root(s): G4253

see how the KJV can translate it as? beginning also as in BEGINNING, Genesis 1:1 the First, and John 1:1 ... now look up beginning in each scripture.

just as the Lord Jesus is the, beginning, the First in the NEW CREATION,

Colossians 1:18 "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."
preeminence: G4409 πρωτεύω proteuo (prō-tev'-ō) v.
to be first (in rank or influence). BINGO
[from G4413]
KJV: have the preeminence
Root(s): G4413

I just Love it how God, the Holy Spirit, by the KJV just hid things in plain view, the proverb is correct, Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."

see k, you might want to "SEARCH" out the bible, not your bible, but the BIBLE, that is God the Holy Spirit. for he is the WORD of WISDOM.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

You might want to re-read this post againg for complete clarity, and edification

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Got it! You made it up. "Ordinal first" is not in any Bible I know of.

 

[Gregory]

GINOLJC, to all.
Now that we have cleared up the misunderstanding that God is only "ONE" GOD, who is Only, "ONE PERSON", and not Three Persons. this is clear evidence in the use of the terms for God in, the OT.
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410

and
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397

when "God", is used in the plural, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym, it's not two or more separate and distinct persons, no, only the same one person, "SHARED" in flesh and bone, which is his, God's ... "OWN" ,,,, "IMAGE" to come... which is "MAN". this plurality in the equal "Share", as the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym, is expressed, or identified as the Ordinal First, and the Ordinal Last. this man is the IMAGE of God, and as MANKIND, the "ANOTHER" of himself, he, God, in this Image of his ownself in flesh, as, as, as, a Man, (per Phil 2:7 & 8), died for our sins, and was GLORIFIED in this Image as a man, "Resurrected", for evermore. for this is why in, Revelation 22:3 "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:"
Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads."

there we have it, one person, we shall see his, his, his, FACE, not their faces, as three separate amd distinct persons, NO, HIS FACE, one. nor their their NAMES, but HIS, HIS, HIS, name, one name in our foreheads.

so in conclusion, through out the OT, as well as the NT, there is only ONE GOD, which we all agree, but this ONE GOD, is only ONE PERSON, "SHARED" in a BODY, no Longer a Spirit, NOT SEEN, but a Spirit with a BODY. supportive scripture, Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." he, Jesus is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. and to put the icing on the cake, he, JESUS is the "ONLY" one with ETERNAL LIFE, now that eliminates any other so-called, "PERSON(S)", in the Godhead, supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen." BINGO.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I'm not sure what forum you are reading, but I will never submit that God the Father and Jesus or Jesus and Jesus are one person. Do you not read our posts?

 

[kcnalp]

I'm not sure what forum you are reading, but will never submit that God the Father and Jesus or Jesus and Jesus are on person. Do you not read our posts?

I don't think he does. 101G almost never responds to any question.

 

[Gregory]

John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
while JESUS is on earth, he's in heaven at the same time, this you canot comprehend. for Phil 2:6 tell you but you cannot see it. ...... Yikes!

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I think you have interpreted this scripture wrong. This is John talking about Jesus 40 years after he was resurrected. 40 years after Jesus, John says Jesus is in heaven. Of course he was in heaven at that time, 30 years after he was resurrected.

Jesus was certainly not in heaven at the same time that he was on the earth. For he says:
Matthew 7:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Here, as in 20 other scriptures where Jesus says his Father and God is in heaven proves he was not in heaven at the time he was on the earth, but his Father was. Now if you believe their the same person I can see why you would say Jesus was on earth and in heaven at the same time.

But normal Christians would not, and do not.

 

[fellow]

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Any layman eye will see more than one person here, but is this the TRUTH? No, because without understanding one can be deceived in believing that it appears to be more than one person present at the time of the statement. But lets “Discover” the TRUTH
PICJAG

Some angels were with Him, They could not create but they must have offered their input.