Galatians 2:20

[Enoch111]

It was Abraham's obedience based on his belief in God's words that was only imputed as righteousness.

That is what you imagine. But you are completely mistaken. Long BEFORE Abraham obeyed God in offering up Isaac as a sacrifice (over 40 years before) God imputed righteousness to Abraham.

GENESIS 15: ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND IT WAS IMPUTED TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS
1After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

In the Septuagint, the wording corresponds more to what we read in the New Testament: And Abram believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness.

We see here that Abraham believed God and His promise to give him an heir and also an innumerable number of descendants, even though it appeared totally impossible. We believe God to save us in and through the Lord Jesus Christ, and He imputes the righteousness of Christ to us, even though it seems impossible. But the obedience of Abraham came a long time after.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That is what you imagine. But you are completely mistaken. Long BEFORE Abraham obeyed God in offering up Isaac as a sacrifice (over 40 years before) God imputed righteousness to Abraham.

GENESIS 15: ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND IT WAS IMPUTED TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS
1After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

In the Septuagint, the wording corresponds more to what we read in the New Testament: And Abram believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness.

We see here that Abraham believed God and His promise to give him an heir and also an innumerable number of descendants, even though it appeared totally impossible. We believe God to save us in and through the Lord Jesus Christ, and He imputes the righteousness of Christ to us, even though it seems impossible. But the obedience of Abraham came a long time after.

The point you are completely missing as usual is that Jesus had not come yet, therefore everyone after Adam and before the Day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came still had their sin nature which is crucified with Christ. Then we are raised again as reborn creatures in Christ's resurrection. I know you don't believe this because you've already claimed we will always have our sin nature until our body is resurrected. Our body has nothing to do with it. Besides if our nature is not now reborn and become righteous - really righteous, not just imputed righteousness - we will have no chance to see heaven.

You also believe that Abraham's imputed righteousness was on just his belief, and nothing to do with his OBEDIENCE toward what God told him.

You still have no idea what the gospel truly is. But you will argue all the way to your last breath that you are right and 1 John 3:1-24, Romans 6:1-23, 8:1-9 and 2 Peter 1:2-11 are wrong. Stop turning the grace of God into lasciviousness.

 

[Enoch111]

Besides if our nature is not now reborn and become righteous - really righteous, not just imputed righteousness - we will have no chance to see heaven.

Since I already explained the New Birth to you that should have been sufficient. But the bottom line is that YOU DO NOT BELIEVE GOD! You question imputed righteousness instead of rejoicing in it.

 

[Enoch111]

Stop turning the grace of God into lasciviousness.

This is so egregiously stupid that there is no need to even bother responding. You are the one who has no clue about Gospel truth, always twisting and turning the Scriptures to fit your false doctrines. Others have also challenged your nonsense.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Since I already explained the New Birth to you that should have been sufficient. But the bottom line is that YOU DO NOT BELIEVE GOD! You question imputed righteousness instead of rejoicing in it.

How does imputed righteousness affect your sins you are committing?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

This is so egregiously stupid that there is no need to even bother responding. You are the one who has no clue about Gospel truth, always twisting and turning the Scriptures to fit your false doctrines. Others have also challenged your nonsense.

That is because the majority of Protestants have been affected by the false teachings of Calvinism. I prefer to be in the few that find the truth.

 

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You also believe that Abraham's imputed righteousness was on just his belief, and nothing to do with his OBEDIENCE toward what God told him.

Considering that this is exactly what the Bible teaches, it should be without dispute.

He believed God, and he counted it to him for righteousness. The plain things.

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Since I already explained the New Birth to you that should have been sufficient. But the bottom line is that YOU DO NOT BELIEVE GOD! You question imputed righteousness instead of rejoicing in it.

You have not explained the new birth. You would have to understand it first to explain it. And you'll never understand it until you've experienced it as they did on the Day of Pentecost. And I'm not talking about speaking in tongues, but receiving the life changing power given us from the infilling of the Holy Spirit which makes us dead to sin, something Abraham never experienced.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Considering that this is exactly what the Bible teaches, it should be without dispute.

He believed God, and he counted it to him for righteousness. The plain things.

Much love!

Paul is teaching about before the law, the law, grace, and the culmination - the Spirit. It is an 8 chapter teaching. Pulling out what happened before the law, and most importantly, Christ, is tunnel vision speaking. That is what Calvinism is all about, and why Jesus called that teaching, dead. There is only life in the conclusion - the Spirit of Christ.

 

[marks]

Paul is teaching about before the law,

Keep Paul's teaching in the contexts he's teaching. Justification by faith is plain, and should not be in dispute. Both before and after the cross. Though after the cross we are also justified through His death and resurrection to new life, by faith and not works. Again, this is plain, and should not be in dispute.

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Keep Paul's teaching in the contexts he's teaching. Justification by faith is plain, and should not be in dispute. Both before and after the cross. Though after the cross we are also justified through His death and resurrection to new life, by faith and not works. Again, this is plain, and should not be in dispute.

Much love!

Justification by faith as taught in the Reformation is justification of faith IN Christ. But it misses the mark when you search no further. The Holy Spirit in us produces justification by the faith OF Christ in you. That is when you are truly justified and sanctified and can then go forth into glorification, becoming like Christ with the mind of Christ. And that is not after death as is also taught in the Reformation. Romans 8:29-30.

 

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as taught in the Reformation

For the record . . . I'm talking about the Bible.

Much love!

 

[GEN2REV]

Something that blows me away is that God himself, in all his holiness and love, would dwell in the heart of man - in me!

We have been brought into union with God by the blood of Jesus.

Nothing can separate us from him any longer.
He is closer than our breath.
He is more real than the very ground beneath our feet.

The New Testament is filled with truth about our union with God.

Galatians 2:20 “I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.”

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 “Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.”

Romans 6:4 “We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.”

Colossians 1:27 “To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.”

There is never a single moment that you are apart from God.
God is in you and with you through every trial, success, victory, and defeat.
He is for you and available to you all day, every day.
Even in our sin, God remains.
Even in our rebellion, God dwells within us.

What’s left for us to do is learn how to allow this union to permeate every area of our lives.
To work out our salvation is to learn to cast aside that which belongs to our former self and live out of our new identity as unified with Christ himself.

If we’re going to truly centre our lives around meeting with God, we must learn to acknowledge the fact that he is already with us.

He is not a distant God who has to travel from his throne in heaven down to us whenever we make time for him.
He’s not a God who only dwells in churches, fellowships, ministries, or clergy.
He is the God who dwells within you, loves you, likes you, and longs to be with you in constant communion.

Take time to renew your mind to the truth of your union with God.
Ask him to reveal his nearness that you might “walk in newness of life” today (Romans 6:4).
Make space in your heart and mind to allow the presence of God to permeate every area of your life.

Fix your eyes on Jesus!

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Prayer
Spend some time meditating on your union with God.
Renew your mind by placing your trust in Scripture rather than your feelings or past experiences.

“I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.” Gal 2:20

“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.” 2 Cor 5:17

“Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own.” 1 Cor 6:19-20

As Jesus begins to live in us, everything about us begins to change.

· Our minds change.
· Our desires change.
· Our wills change.
· Our relationships change.
· Ultimately, our reason for living changes.

Possessions and position are no longer our priorities.
Comfort and security are no longer our concerns.
Safety is no longer our goal, because self is no longer our god.
We now want God’s glory more than we want our own lives.
The more we glorify God, the more we enjoy Him and realise that this is what it means biblically to be a Christian.

"Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ" Phil 3:8

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal his nearness.
Ask him to help you be a person who receives rather than strives and who rests rather than toils.

“Be still, and know that I am God.” Psalm 46:10

So often we take feelings of loneliness, rejection, shame, and guilt and believe that they must be truth.
Truth isn’t found in our emotions, but rather in the word of God.
Our mind is the gateway to our emotions.
We feel the way we do because of what we perceive and believe.
If we engage in the process of renewing our mind to God’s word, our emotions will get in line with truth.
You and God are one.
There is nothing you or anyone else can do to change that.
Allow the truth of Scripture to guide you into a lifestyle of centring your life around the union already available to you in Christ.

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Kudos.

God comes to live in our heart when we believe in and obey Him.

"... we are His witnesses ... and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them who obey Him."
Acts 5:32
John 14:23
John 4:24

 

[1stCenturyLady]

For the record . . . I'm talking about the Bible.

Much love!

I am too, but I don't stop at Abraham's justification of faith. There is so much more in that 8 chapter teaching. Abraham never received the Promise that started with him.

 

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Our body has nothing to do with it.

Romans 6:5-7 LITV
5) For if we have been joined together in the likeness of His death, so also shall we be in the resurrection,
6) knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be nullified, so that we no longer serve sin.
7) For the one that died has been justified from sin.

Romans 8:9-11 LITV
9) But you are not in flesh, but in Spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ, this one is not His.
10) But if Christ is in you, the body indeed is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11) But if the Spirit of the One having raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One having raised the Christ from the dead will also make your mortal bodies live through the indwelling of His Spirit in you.

Romans 6:12-14 LITV
12) Then do not let sin reign in your mortal body, to obey it in its lusts.
13) Neither present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as one living from the dead, and your members instruments of righteousness to God.
14) For your sin shall not lord it over you, for you are not under Law, but under grace.

Colossians 2:9-12 LITV
9) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
10) and having been filled, you are in Him, who is the Head of all rule and authority,
11) in whom also you were circumcised with a circumcision not made by hands, in the putting off of the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
12) being buried with Him in baptism, in whom also you were raised through the faith of the working of God, raising Him from among the dead.

Either these words mean something, or they don't.

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Romans 6:5-7 LITV
5) For if we have been joined together in the likeness of His death, so also shall we be in the resurrection,
6) knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be nullified, so that we no longer serve sin.
7) For the one that died has been justified from sin.

Romans 8:9-11 LITV
9) But you are not in flesh, but in Spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ, this one is not His.
10) But if Christ is in you, the body indeed is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11) But if the Spirit of the One having raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One having raised the Christ from the dead will also make your mortal bodies live through the indwelling of His Spirit in you.

Romans 6:12-14 LITV
12) Then do not let sin reign in your mortal body, to obey it in its lusts.
13) Neither present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as one living from the dead, and your members instruments of righteousness to God.
14) For your sin shall not lord it over you, for you are not under Law, but under grace.

Colossians 2:9-12 LITV
9) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
10) and having been filled, you are in Him, who is the Head of all rule and authority,
11) in whom also you were circumcised with a circumcision not made by hands, in the putting off of the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
12) being buried with Him in baptism, in whom also you were raised through the faith of the working of God, raising Him from among the dead.

Either these words mean something, or they don't.

Much love!

"body of sin" is not our body, but the "whole" of sin. Like an author's body of works. It is everything he wrote.

Not letting sin reign in your mortal body is inside your nature that has been reborn. IOW don't quench the Spirit.

Your nature is inside your body, and that is what needs to be reborn because sin reigns in our NATURE inside that is called "the old man" and that is what needs to be reborn to make us born again. Do you only believe it is our body of flesh and bone that needs to be reborn at the resurrection after death, and we are not reborn while we live? Is that why you believe we will always have sin while in these shells called our body. Sin is not on the outside, but on the inside. It is our spirit and soul that becomes reborn and eternal, no longer mortal, NOW. Our body that does not sin, itself, but is merely a puppet to our nature doesn't matter, but will become immortal after it is changed at the resurrection.

 

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Romans 8:3 LITV
3) For the Law being powerless, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh,

This entire verse demonstrates what I'm saying, just the same, let's focus on one part, "in the likeness of sinful flesh", what does that mean?

His flesh was the same as ours, except that His was not corrupted by sin, as ours is.

Is your thinking, "in the likeness of a 'sinful nature'"? That doesn't make sense to me. I think it sould be read exactly as written, without transforming the body, or the flesh into some "other inner man", or some kind of an outside "force". No, the body is the body, and flesh is flesh.

I find more and more disagreements over Scripture center around one person believing the words written, and someone else saying, no, they don't mean what they say, them mean something else.

Again, I counsel word studies on both flesh - sarx, and body - soma, to look at every instance, and find the meaning that fits in every case.

Much love!

 

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Sin is not on the outside, but on the inside.

Romans 7:16-20 KJV
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

What is the significance of this part, "it is no more I"?

What was it before? Why the change? And what is this change to?

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

Romans 7:16-20 KJV
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

What is the significance of this part, "it is no more I"?

What was it before? Why the change?

Much love!

Follow the bible. Paul speaks of the outer man...the shell that protects the weakness and nakedness of the "outer man" of the flesh. Here the flesh is a power...a nature...imbued in the outer crust of the soul.

Sin is within the body...not the body itself. The problem is a spiritual one...being trapped under the law of sin and death. We are set free from the COVERING of sin by moving under the covering of Christ. We enter INTO Christ as we are crucified in the outer man...the man of sin. That is how we are set free to walk in resurrection life...being crucified with Christ. The death AND life of Jesus come to us together. If we continue to live from ourselves...we will lose the life we have implanted within us at regeneration. If we forsake the carnal self...then we will live.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Romans 7:16-20 KJV
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

What is the significance of this part, "it is no more I"?

What was it before? Why the change?

Much love!

AGAIN, Romans 7:16-20 is an unborn again person UNDER THE LAW before the indwelling of the Spirit of Christ - the culmination in chapter 8!!! So, of course, sin still dwells in them! Oy vey, marks!