GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

[Doug]

Whether he put stock in it is beside the point. He explicitly counts himself as being among the remnant in Romans 11:1ff

Paul was only saying God has not cast away Israel.....he did not say he was of the remnant

 

[Doug]

Paul is talking about a division of labor not a division of thought or teaching.

Galatians 2:8 (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles),

That does not address there being two gospels

Peter and Paul were given their own apostleships but that doesnt negate there being two gospels

 

[Doug]

Whether he put stock in it is beside the point. He explicitly counts himself as being among the remnant in Romans 11:1ff

Just came across this verse

[Rom 9:3 KJV] 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Paul only considered himself part of Israel according to the flesh not spiritual remnant

 

[Verily]

1 Timothy 1:16 does not say he was the first apostle

Where did I say that he was the first apostle?

I said,

Paul writes in the context of the body this

1 Cr 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

1 Cr 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostleS, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

He said first apostleS, and Paul was not the first of the apostleS but acknowledges the apostles before him (Gal 1:17)

I posted the above (minus the hightlights) because you said,

I dont think Paul was in the remnant of Israel church.............he was first ........first in the body of Christ.

Whereas again he equates the two here which are within the same context

1 Cr 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

1 Cr 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostleS, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

The members In the body (in 1 Cr 12:18) set in the church (and firstly apostles, in the plural) of which Paul was one (and certainly not the first of them) but are included (as apostles are) as being set in the church first.

That is what I was pointing out

 

[Verily]

[Gal 1:15-16 KJV] 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called [me] by his grace, 16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Paul was called by his grace not the remnant of the election of grace......the remnant refers to believing Israel.....Paul was called to reveal Christ

Where do you even get this reasoning?

They all preached Jesus Christ, did Paul not say

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Peter also said,

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Likewise Paul

Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace

2 Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Jews were scattered into other countries....Gentiles couldnt be strangers in their own lands

This is Christianity 101, that apparently you were absent Church the day it was taught. My Pastor used to always refer to us as aliens in the world. We are not of the world anymore, just in it. Our home is Heaven, a spiritual realm.

Jesus shed his blood for Israel

Yes and the world ... technicaly, whosoever believes in Him.

Don't you believe Jesus died for your sins, was buried and rose on the third day?

 

[CadyandZoe]

What Paul was teaching is not found in Acts 15

Paul testifies that he shared the Gospel as he understood it. The other Apostles agreed.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Paul was only saying God has not cast away Israel.....he did not say he was of the remnant

Beginning in Romans 11:11, Paul argues that God has not cast away Israel. However, Paul argues that God has not cast away his people beginning in Romans 11:1, and he uses himself as an example.

 

[CadyandZoe]

That does not address there being two gospels

Peter and Paul were given their own apostleships but that doesnt negate there being two gospels

It doesn't prove they were each teaching a different gospel.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Just came across this verse

[Rom 9:3 KJV] 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Paul only considered himself part of Israel according to the flesh not spiritual remnant

It depends on what you mean by "spiritual remnant." I am dubious and cautious when folks use the term "spiritual" when describing the Jews or Israel. All born-again believers in Jesus Christ to whom God has given his Spirit to lead them are "spiritual" people, whether Jew or Gentile. But not all Spiritual people, are among the remnant of Israel. Only those born of the twelve tribes, who are followers of Jesus Christ, born again to a new hope, and walking according to the Spirit will be known as the "spiritual remnant."

 

[Doug]

Where did I say that he was the first apostle?

I know you didnt
I meant 1 Tim saying he was first does not mean Paul was first in the same way first is used in 1 Cor 12:28...........[1Ti 1:16 KJV] 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

 

[Doug]

The members In the body (in 1 Cr 12:18) set in the church (and firstly apostles, in the plural) of which Paul was one (and certainly not the first of them) but are included (as apostles are) as being set in the church first.

That does not change the meaning of 1 Timothy 1:16 in which Paul says that IN HIM FIRST Christ showed the pattern for eternal life

 

[Doug]

Where do you even get this reasoning?

They all preached Jesus Christ, did Paul not say

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Peter also said,

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Likewise Paul

Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace

2 Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Sorry I didnt understand what you were saying and still dont.....please expound........there is a remnant.....why bring this up?

 

[Doug]

This is Christianity 101, that apparently you were absent Church the day it was taught. My Pastor used to always refer to us as aliens in the world. We are not of the world anymore, just in it. Our home is Heaven, a spiritual realm.

Paul doesnt use aliens as your pastor does........Gentiles were shut out from God

[Eph 2:11-12 KJV] 11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Strangers are used in the Bible for Gentiles not born in Israel.......Exodus 12:48
Peter uses strangers as Jew not born in the lands they were scattered to

 

[Doug]

Yes and the world ... technicaly, whosoever believes in Him.

Don't you believe Jesus died for your sins, was buried and rose on the third day?

Yes......but that wasnt known til revealed to Paul.....it was hid in God

Yes and the world ... technicaly, whosoever believes in Him.

Don't you believe Jesus died for your sins, was buried and rose on the third day?

Jesus shed his blood for the many which was Israel.................[Mat 26:28 KJV] 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Jesus died for the sins of Israel under the first testament...................[Heb 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Paul revealed the shed blood of Christ would be applied to us to form the body of Christ

 

[Doug]

Paul testifies that he shared the Gospel as he understood it. The other Apostles agreed.

Understood it from who?

 

[Doug]

Beginning in Romans 11:11, Paul argues that God has not cast away Israel. However, Paul argues that God has not cast away his people beginning in Romans 11:1, and he uses himself as an example.

Yes he said he was an Israelite according to the flesh but to say he was in the remnant is not supported

 

[Doug]

It doesn't prove they were each teaching a different gospel.

[Gal 2:7 KJV] 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;..........................if they are called different gospels they are different

Read what Jesus and Peter preached and read what Paul writes and see if they say the same thing

 

[CadyandZoe]

Understood it from who?

Jesus of course.

 

[Doug]

It depends on what you mean by "spiritual remnant." I am dubious and cautious when folks use the term "spiritual" when describing the Jews or Israel. All born-again believers in Jesus Christ to whom God has given his Spirit to lead them are "spiritual" people, whether Jew or Gentile. But not all Spiritual people, are among the remnant of Israel. Only those born of the twelve tribes, who are followers of Jesus Christ, born again to a new hope, and walking according to the Spirit will be known as the "spiritual remnant."

The remnant is spiritual.............................[1Pe 2:5 KJV] 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

But I could say believing remnant instead