GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

[Verily]

[1Ti 1:16 KJV] 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

I dont think Paul was in the remnant of Israel church.............he was first ........first in the body of Christ.......he was the pattern to them who would hereafter believe on Christ..........it could not be that Paul could be a pattern if he was in the remnant ........the remnant already was in place

Paul writes in the context of the body this

1 Cr 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

1 Cr 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostleS, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

He said first apostles, and Paul was not the first of the apostles but acknowledges the apostles before him (Gal 1:17)

If Paul writes

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

And then also writes

Romans 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Paul is the Israel that is of Israel since he expresses his desire for the sand of the sea

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Paul also says, Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And who also said,

Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

How would Paul not be a remnant according to the election of grace?

 

[Jack]

Galatians is aimed at those 'Christians' who choose to be under the Law of Moses. I.E Sabbath! ...

Galatians 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

IOW, Hell Fire!

 

[CadyandZoe]

[Gal 2:6-9 KJV] 6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me: 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

These verses are not saying that James, Peter, and John by not adding anything to Paul's gospel were saying that there was nothing left to say and Paul said all they were saying......Paul was saying he gained nothing from them in regard to his gospel.....they recognized Paul had a unique gospel and decided to have Paul go to the Gentiles

I agree that there is more to discuss, but the central issue at the Jerusalem Council was the message of the Gospel. In this context, the other Apostles had nothing to add to what Paul preached. In other words, he was not presenting a different or unique gospel. Peter learned that God was saving Gentiles the same way he was saving Jews: hear the gospel, respond to it in faith, and receive the Holy Spirit. That Gospel is the same for everyone.

Please understand that the Jerusalem Council was a meeting held by the Apostles of Jesus Christ, including the Twelve and Paul. Like Peter and James, Paul asserted that he was also speaking on behalf of Jesus. The main question being discussed was: Are we all delivering the same message? If not, where do our differences lie? Paul claimed that they all conveyed one clear message.

Despite the common belief, the New Testament features two distinct perspectives on the concept of gospels: personal salvation and national deliverance from enemies. The Greeks frequently referred to Savior-Kings who rescued their people from enemies. The New Testament indeed presents Jesus as a Savior-King, but it introduces an additional dimension to this idea.

The Gospel to the Gentiles:
Since the basis of salvation is reconciliation through the cross, then Jesus is the saviour of Gentile souls also. The means to personal salvation is the same whether that individual is a Jew or a Gentile. All of the apostles teach that a man is justified through the cross.

The Gospel to the Jews:
Jesus is the Savior-King who will deliver Israel from her enemies. This concept is found in the first two chapters of Luke's gospel, where we read that both Mary and Elizabeth believe that Jesus will save his people from her enemies. (Luke 1:68-79) In addition, not only is Jesus the Savior-King who will deliver Israel from her enemies, Jesus is the Savior of souls who will free them from sin and death. Jesus brought the knowledge of individual salvation to his people by forgiving their sins.

The Gospel for the Jewish people includes personal salvation through Christ’s cross and also encompasses deliverance from their enemies.

 

[Doug]

All scripture is God breathed, a message from God to all of us.
Can you discern this passage. Does it look like he is writing to Israelites?
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: 1 Pet. 1:1-2

The Jews were scattered into other countries....Gentiles couldnt be strangers in their own lands

[Heb 9:14-15 KJV] 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Jesus shed his blood for Israel

 

[amigo de christo]

When you make a post about Galatians, study the book first. In chapter 2, Paul argues that he presented the gospel to the other apostles and they added nothing to what he said.

march onwards in the glorious LORD . its obvious some do actually love to read the scrips for themselves
and not rather heed what men twist unto them .
Sadly the majority seem to do the opposite . but keep on reminding , keep on my friend .
THERE IS ONE and ONLY ONE GOSPEL to both the jew and the gentile . and all apostels preached the SAME ONE .
Foward march my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree that there is more to discuss, but the central issue at the Jerusalem Council was the message of the Gospel. In this context, the other Apostles had nothing to add to what Paul preached. In other words, he was not presenting a different or unique gospel. Peter learned that God was saving Gentiles the same way he was saving Jews: hear the gospel, respond to it in faith, and receive the Holy Spirit. That Gospel is the same for everyone.

Please understand that the Jerusalem Council was a meeting held by the Apostles of Jesus Christ, including the Twelve and Paul. Like Peter and James, Paul asserted that he was also speaking on behalf of Jesus. The main question being discussed was: Are we all delivering the same message? If not, where do our differences lie? Paul claimed that they all conveyed one clear message.

Despite the common belief, the New Testament features two distinct perspectives on the concept of gospels: personal salvation and national deliverance from enemies. The Greeks frequently referred to Savior-Kings who rescued their people from enemies. The New Testament indeed presents Jesus as a Savior-King, but it introduces an additional dimension to this idea.

The Gospel to the Gentiles:
Since the basis of salvation is reconciliation through the cross, then Jesus is the saviour of Gentile souls also. The means to personal salvation is the same whether that individual is a Jew or a Gentile. All of the apostles teach that a man is justified through the cross.

The Gospel to the Jews:
Jesus is the Savior-King who will deliver Israel from her enemies. This concept is found in the first two chapters of Luke's gospel, where we read that both Mary and Elizabeth believe that Jesus will save his people from her enemies. (Luke 1:68-79) In addition, not only is Jesus the Savior-King who will deliver Israel from her enemies, Jesus is the Savior of souls who will free them from sin and death. Jesus brought the knowledge of individual salvation to his people by forgiving their sins.

The Gospel for the Jewish people includes personal salvation through Christ’s cross and also encompasses deliverance from their enemies.

Did you know that many even try and say JESUS didnt preach the whole gospel while on earth .
They try and say HE never said anything about his death and ressurection . OH YES HE DID
ITs just the understanding of this was kept from them , UNTIL AFTER HE ROSE from the dead . HE preached that more than once too .
HE did speak of his own death and his own ressurection . so again they lie to us . but the bible contains TRUTH . we stick to the bible .

 

[Doug]

He said first apostles, and Paul was not the first of the apostles but acknowledges the apostles before him (Gal 1:17)

1 Timothy 1:16 does not say he was the first apostle

 

[Doug]

Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

How would Paul not be a remnant according to the election of grace?

[Gal 1:15-16 KJV] 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called [me] by his grace, 16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Paul was called by his grace not the remnant of the election of grace......the remnant refers to believing Israel.....Paul was called to reveal Christ

 

[CadyandZoe]

[Gal 1:15-16 KJV] 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called [me] by his grace, 16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Paul was called by his grace not the remnant of the election of grace......the remnant refers to believing Israel.....Paul was called to reveal Christ

Paul is a member of believing Israel.

 

[Doug]

he was not presenting a different or unique gospel.

Galatians says there are two gospels.................[Gal 2:7 KJV] 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;

 

[Doug]

Please understand that the Jerusalem Council was a meeting held by the Apostles of Jesus Christ, including the Twelve and Paul. Like Peter and James, Paul asserted that he was also speaking on behalf of Jesus. The main question being discussed was: Are we all delivering the same message? If not, where do our differences lie? Paul claimed that they all conveyed one clear message.

[Act 15:1-2 KJV] 1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. 2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

They met in regard to those teaching circumcision

 

[Doug]

All of the apostles teach that a man is justified through the cross.

Please show me where Peter and the apostles preached the cross in Matthew Mark Luke and John

 

[Doug]

Paul is a member of believing Israel.

[Phl 3:5, 8 KJV] 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, [of] the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; ... 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,

Paul does not say he put any stock in being Israel

 

[CadyandZoe]

Galatians says there are two gospels.................[Gal 2:7 KJV] 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;

Paul is not talking about two gospels in that passage. He is talking about two areas of ministry. Paul was sent to be the apostle to the Gentiles, while Peter was sent to be the apostle to the Jews.

 

[CadyandZoe]

[Act 15:1-2 KJV] 1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. 2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

They in regard to those teaching circumcision

Exactly, Paul was teaching that God is saving those uncircumcised and those circumcised according to the same faith. Peter testified that indeed God was saving the uncircmized on the same basis as he was saving the circumcised. One Gospel: salvation by sanctification.

 

[Doug]

Paul is not talking about two gospels in that passage

He says gospel in Galatians 2:7

 

[CadyandZoe]

Please show me where Peter and the apostles preached the cross in Matthew Mark Luke and John

In the Following Passage Paul speaks about salvation of the Jews.

Galatians 2:15-16 “We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; 16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Both Jews and Gentiles are justified by faith in Christ Jesus. Speaking to the Jews Peter wrote,

1 Peter 1:15 To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Paul is saying the same thing. The sanctifying work of the Spirit is saving us.

 

[CadyandZoe]

[Phl 3:5, 8 KJV] 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, [of] the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; ... 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,

Paul does not say he put any stock in being Israel

Whether he put stock in it is beside the point. He explicitly counts himself as being among the remnant in Romans 11:1ff

 

[CadyandZoe]

He says gospel in Galatians 2:7

Paul is talking about a division of labor not a division of thought or teaching.

Galatians 2:8 (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles),

 

[Doug]

Paul was teaching that God is saving those uncircumcised and those circumcised according to the same faith.

What Paul was teaching is not found in Acts 15