GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

[Verily]

The last three of your responses was providing a portion of the context and not necessarily to any question I might have so I will leave off of responding back to them.

I am not sure what you mean here....if you have unanswered questions please ask.....maybe I missed them

I just meant that the verses I posted behind my question were just provided for context, not that I had any question converning those particular verses, thats all.

 

[Doug]

I just meant that the verses I posted behind my question were just provided for context, not that I had any question converning those particular verses, thats all.

 

[Doug]

I just meant that the verses I posted behind my question were just provided for context, not that I had any question converning those particular verses, thats all.

I got that ......I just meant that I wanted to make sure that I was not responding to your direct questions

 

[Verily]

Yes good verses....God started to turn to the Gentiles which was manifested by Paul as well.......................[Act 13:46 KJV] 46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.............................and here in the next verse.......................[Act 13:47 KJV] 47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, [saying], I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.............................I find it interesting that Paul would be the one to set Jesus as a light to the Gentiles and not Israel.........Israel will fulfill this in the kingdom however by making the Lord known to Gentile nations

Doug, I have read that last two sentences but I am not catching what you are pointing out there (Following the reference to Acts 13:47 there)

You wrote,

I find it interesting that Paul would be the one to set Jesus as a light to the Gentiles and not Israel

That is what I am not understanding, where you are getting this?

Jesus come a light into the world John 12:46 and even Luke 2:32 A light to lighten the Gentiles. Jesus says to them in Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world , being children of light. Just as He that sanctifieth and them that are sancitified are all of one, and as the Father sent Jesus so also does he send them John 17:18 which would also agree in Acts 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded US, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. Paul did say, 2 Cr 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

You don't regard Paul as being of Israel?

In asking that, I am not so much asking whether Paul was of Israel after the flesh (which ofcourse Paul was of) but of Israel (of the remnant) circumcised in heart by the Spirit.

He says,

Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

And it was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to these (to whom Christ came a light unto) and would send those who belong to him to the ends of the earth, and so Paul says, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Jesus had said,

John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world. Who also said, again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

So it would also make sense

Acts 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

Preaching Christ in you among the Gentiles also

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory

 

[Soyeong]

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

There were some that were preaching a gospel to the Galatians that perverted Paul's gospel. To be another gospel it had to be other than that preached by Paul.

Another gospel could only be preached to those who had heard and received the gospel preached by Paul. To be another gospel it could only be preached "unto you" (Galatians 1:8-9); only those who had Paul's gospel preached unto them and had been "received" by them (Galatians 1:9).

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: )

Peter and Paul were not preaching the same gospel. Peter was preaching that Jesus was Christ, the Son of God and the gospel of the Davidic kingdom on earth to Israel. Paul was preaching that all were freely justified by the redemption of Christ.

Peter and Paul had separate ministries; Peter was sent to the circumcision (the Jews), and Paul was sent to the uncircumcision (the Gentiles).

Peter was not accursed for preaching another gospel because he was not preaching it to those who had received Paul's gospel.

Romans 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.

Paul is citing Isaiah 52:15 in Romans 15:21. Paul never went to those who heard and received Christ by believing the gospel preached by Peter and the apostles.

[Rev 14:6 KJV] 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Here is an angel preaching a gospel which Paul said should be accursed in Galatians 1:8. We must conclude that Paul's gospel was no longer being preached for if it was than that angel would be accursed; this would mean this dispensation of grace is over.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Paul also taught based on God's law (Acts 14:21-22, 20:24-25, 28:23, Romans 15:4, 18-19).

 

[amigo de christo]

I got that ......I just meant that I wanted to make sure that I was not responding to your direct questions

hey doug .
The title is WHO is accursed .
ANYONE WHO PREACHES ANY OTHER GOSPEL .
That mean ANY OTHER GOSPEL .
So you wanna know what time it is , TIME to remind most of even christendom
OH YES ONE MUST BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST and that GOD rose HIM from the dead . Confessing HIM by mouth
and believing GOD has rose him from the dead .
cause any other gospel , WELL IT IS NO GOSPEL its a death trap no matter how lovey do it sounded .

 

[amigo de christo]

And as john well wrote as he was exposing that which is of anti christ
ANY who brings NOT THIS DOCTRINE , Dont even bid them god speed .
HE who do so is partaker of their evil deeds . ANOTHER GOSPEL is super deadly
and unto any and unto all who try and do such a thing , IT ENDS BADLY .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

There were some that were preaching a gospel to the Galatians that perverted Paul's gospel. To be another gospel it had to be other than that preached by Paul.

Another gospel could only be preached to those who had heard and received the gospel preached by Paul. To be another gospel it could only be preached "unto you" (Galatians 1:8-9); only those who had Paul's gospel preached unto them and had been "received" by them (Galatians 1:9).

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: )

Peter and Paul were not preaching the same gospel. Peter was preaching that Jesus was Christ, the Son of God and the gospel of the Davidic kingdom on earth to Israel. Paul was preaching that all were freely justified by the redemption of Christ.

Peter and Paul had separate ministries; Peter was sent to the circumcision (the Jews), and Paul was sent to the uncircumcision (the Gentiles).

Peter was not accursed for preaching another gospel because he was not preaching it to those who had received Paul's gospel.

Romans 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.

Paul is citing Isaiah 52:15 in Romans 15:21. Paul never went to those who heard and received Christ by believing the gospel preached by Peter and the apostles.

[Rev 14:6 KJV] 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Here is an angel preaching a gospel which Paul said should be accursed in Galatians 1:8. We must conclude that Paul's gospel was no longer being preached for if it was than that angel would be accursed; this would mean this dispensation of grace is over.

Peter DID NOT continue to appease the Judaisers after Paul rebuked him in Antioch. Reread Gal.2:11-21 and continue through Gal. 3. It straightens out those who blended the law with grace. Faith in Christ saves us, not the works of the Law ( which cursed those who "continued in it"). Peter just needed to be corrected and he received that correction.
The Law was there to draw us to Christ ( the seed of Abraham and the promise) and to reveal what sin is.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph. 2:8-9


In 1 Pet. 1:3-5 starts out his teaching by laying down this gospel:
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Here he claims we are born again (begotten us again) by the belief (faith alone) in the death and resurrection of Christ.

Stop this nonsense about Peter and Paul teaching differ gospels. Peter was corrected. I do not think Peter, led by the Spirit ever taught a false gospel; he just appeased the Judaisers who insisted Gentiles be circumcised. We often make compromises that we shouldn't and errors that need to be corrected. Preachers today get are seen preaching salvation by faith + works and they need to be corrected.

 

[Lambano]

So, Paul is putting a curse on James, thus showing that flame wars and interdenominational strife existed in the first-century Church long before the invention of the Internet.

James's response is rather weak:

 

[amigo de christo]

Peter DID NOT continue to appease the Judaisers after Paul rebuked him in Antioch. Reread Gal.2:11-21 and continue through Gal. 3. It straightens out those who blended the law with grace. Faith in Christ saves us, not the works of the Law ( which cursed those who "continued in it"). Peter just needed to be corrected and he received that correction.
The Law was there to draw us to Christ ( the seed of Abraham and the promise) and to reveal what sin is.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph. 2:8-9


In 1 Pet. 1:3-5 starts out his teaching by laying down this gospel:
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Here he claims we are born again (begotten us again) by the belief (faith alone) in the death and resurrection of Christ.

Stop this nonsense about Peter and Paul teaching differ gospels. Peter was corrected. I do not think Peter, led by the Spirit ever taught a false gospel; he just appeased the Judaisers who insisted Gentiles be circumcised. We often make compromises that we shouldn't and errors that need to be corrected. Preachers today get are seen preaching salvation by faith + works and they need to be corrected.

BINGO and BULLSEYE . to the trenches for one true gospel is under attack more so than ever from even christendom itself.
peter , james , paul , jude , barnabas , stephen , john and all PREACHED THE ONE SAME GOSPEL
to the jew as well as to the gentile . Correct you are my friend . TO the trenches for the hour is late
and night shall surely when the MASTER of THE HOUSE rises up and shuts the door
and all outside shall wail .

 

[CadyandZoe]

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

There were some that were preaching a gospel to the Galatians that perverted Paul's gospel. To be another gospel it had to be other than that preached by Paul.

Another gospel could only be preached to those who had heard and received the gospel preached by Paul. To be another gospel it could only be preached "unto you" (Galatians 1:8-9); only those who had Paul's gospel preached unto them and had been "received" by them (Galatians 1:9).

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: )

Peter and Paul were not preaching the same gospel. Peter was preaching that Jesus was Christ, the Son of God and the gospel of the Davidic kingdom on earth to Israel. Paul was preaching that all were freely justified by the redemption of Christ.

Peter and Paul had separate ministries; Peter was sent to the circumcision (the Jews), and Paul was sent to the uncircumcision (the Gentiles).

Peter was not accursed for preaching another gospel because he was not preaching it to those who had received Paul's gospel.

Romans 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.

Paul is citing Isaiah 52:15 in Romans 15:21. Paul never went to those who heard and received Christ by believing the gospel preached by Peter and the apostles.

[Rev 14:6 KJV] 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Here is an angel preaching a gospel which Paul said should be accursed in Galatians 1:8. We must conclude that Paul's gospel was no longer being preached for if it was than that angel would be accursed; this would mean this dispensation of grace is over.

Peter and Paul were not preaching a different gospel. Paul argues that he and Peter believed the same gospel, which is why Paul was able to appeal to Peter on that basis.

 

[Doug]

n asking that, I am not so much asking whether Paul was of Israel after the flesh (which ofcourse Paul was of) but of Israel (of the remnant) circumcised in heart by the Spirit.

[1Ti 1:16 KJV] 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

I dont think Paul was in the remnant of Israel church.............he was first ........first in the body of Christ.......he was the pattern to them who would hereafter believe on Christ..........it could not be that Paul could be a pattern if he was in the remnant ........the remnant already was in place

 

[Doug]

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Paul also taught based on God's law (Acts 14:21-22, 20:24-25, 28:23, Romans 15:4, 18-19).

[Act 14:22 KJV] 22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
[Act 20:25 KJV] 25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

Lets look at the verses you cited

In the verses above, Paul talks about the kingdom of God......the kingdom of God is a comprehensive term.....Jesus preached that the kingdom of heaven was at hand meaning the prophetic promised earthly kingdom was at hand....Israel had to repent confess their sins and be baptized for the remission of sins to be priests in the kingdom

[Act 28:23 KJV] 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into [his] lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening.


Paul taught that the body of Christ would be seated in heaven (the heavenly kingdom of God).......Paul preached Jesus out of the prophets and the mystery not yet revealed before Paul

[Rom 15:18 KJV] 18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,

The Gentiles should be obedient to the faith according to Paul's revelations and commandments

 

[amigo de christo]

So, Paul is putting a curse on James, thus showing that flame wars and interdenominational strife existed in the first-century Church long before the invention of the Internet.

James's response is rather weak:

pitting james against paul and paul against james .
Tell me friend just why is it you dont like certain parts of the bible . OH I know the answer
but DO YOU even know why . Seeing i desire good for you
allow me to answer . parts of that bible GET in the way of what you truly desire to be is truth .
And you can bet what you desire to be truth , SURE SUPPORTS your own carnal desire .
But what says you .

 

[Doug]

In 1 Pet. 1:3-5 starts out his teaching by laying down this gospel:
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Here he claims we are born again (begotten us again) by the belief (faith alone) in the death and resurrection of Christ.

Peter was not writing to us he was writing to believing Israel

They were begotten again........only Israel was told to be born again

to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,................Peter said Jesus was raised to sit on David;s throne (Acts2:30) '''''''''''''this gave them a lively hope that Jesus was alive and would come back to establish his kingdom......it was reserved in heaven but NOT in heaven

salvation for Israel was when Christ returns (Acts 3:19)

 

[Doug]

Paul argues that he and Peter believed the same golpe

Verse for this please

 

[Webers_Home]

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● 1Cor 16:22 . . If anyone love not the Lord, let him be accursed.

One's love of the Lord is exemplified by loyalty. (John 14:15, 14:21, 23-24)

Does a Muslim have to be a terrorist to be accursed? No; they only have to
be a loyal follower of Muhammad ibn `Abdullāh instead of Christ's loyal
follower; same goes for Atheists, Nonreligious, Baha'i, Buddhists,
Chinese Universalists, Confucianists, Jains, Kabbalah mystics, Shintoists,
Spiritists, Taoists, Zoroastrians, Jews, Sikhs, and Hindus-- they're all
accursed and there is nothing to be gained in arguing about it.

How many people am I talking about? Well, as of mid 2014, worldwide there
were:

550,000 Scientologists
1,500,000 Mormons
8,200,000 Jehovah's Witnesses
18,479,257 Seventh Day Adventists
7,794,000 Baha'i
515,951,000 Buddhists
451,292,000 Chinese Folk Religionists
8,424,000 Confucianists
974,597,000 Hindus
5,567,000 Jains
14,142,000 Jews
1,673,590 Muslims
2,819,000 Shintoists
24,918,000 Sikhs
14,183,000 Spiritists
8,660,000 Taoists
196,000 Zoroastrians
828,594,000 Nonreligious
692,111,000 Agnostics
136,483,000 Atheists.

The grand total of just those categories alone is 5,3387,550,257

If those figures are in the ball park, and if conventional Christianity is the
reality; then a minimum of at least 75% of the world's 2014 global
population of 7.2 billion people wasn't unified with Christ.

NOTE: Scientology, though not actually a religion, has a tax exemption as
such.

* Joseph Smith's movement is a spin-off; in other words: there's some
conventional Christianity in Mormonism, but comprises only a portion of it.
The rest of Mormonism is extreme, to say the least.

* Neither do Jehovah's Witnesses qualify as Christians in the conventional
sense. Charles Taze Russell's movement is a spin-off too. There's some
conventional Christianity in the Watchtower Society's doctrines, but
comprises only a portion of Russell's doctrines; and his slant on it is very
peculiar.
_

 

[CadyandZoe]

Verse for this please

When you make a post about Galatians, study the book first. In chapter 2, Paul argues that he presented the gospel to the other apostles and they added nothing to what he said.

 

[Doug]

When you make a post about Galatians, study the book first. In chapter 2, Paul argues that he presented the gospel to the other apostles and they added nothing to what he said.

[Gal 2:6-9 KJV] 6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me: 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

These verses are not saying that James, Peter, and John by not adding anything to Paul's gospel were saying that there was nothing left to say and Paul said all they were saying......Paul was saying he gained nothing from them in regard to his gospel.....they recognized Paul had a unique gospel and decided to have Paul go to the Gentiles

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Peter was not writing to us he was writing to believing Israel

All scripture is God breathed, a message from God to all of us.
Can you discern this passage. Does it look like he is writing to Israelites?
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: 1 Pet. 1:1-2

salvation for Israel was when Christ returns (Acts 3:19)

A remnant will be saved at the coming if Christ. ( Romans 11)

And btw, Jesus will sit on David's throne _ in Jerusalem _ when he returns!