Freed : From Calvinism and HyperCalvinism )Tulip<>5 Pont.

[Ronald Nolette]

Read the following instead of reading only reformed information all the time.

Does Romans 9 teach Predestination for some or Salvation for All? | Sabbath School Net

Many take Romans 9 to say that God has chosen some people to be saved and others to be lost without any will or choice of their own. They call this

ssnet.org

How do you respond to Romans 9? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

The Deterministic Interpretation of Romans 9 Many people believe that Romans 9 demonstrates that God has the right and power to save whichever individuals he wants to save and damn whichever individuals he wants to damn. I’ll call this the “deterministic” reading of Romans 9, for it holds that...

reknew.org

As you continue to pursue your lying and pretending to know my reading list. I am done.

I can post other authorities that refute your authorities and they are not reformed nor covenant theology either. but you cannot believe that for it would destroy the caricatures you create and attack instead of holding a serious and real discussion.

YOu are a sad sack and unfit to hold a serious discussion.

When you recant of thinking you know my miond, heat and reading list, we can continue, otherwise I am finished with your straw men and dishonesty.

I am contnet to let god judge between your ad-hominems and beliefs and mine. We will find out.

 

[Behold]

This coming from one who is a staunch four point Calvinist believer. the extreme hubris and hypocrisy is very very amusing!.

So, you are reduced to lying, because your Calvinism that has ruined your Christianity, cant be defended, honestly. @Ronald Nolette .

Ive noticed over the years that Calvinist, when they are unable to defend their cult, will LIE.

See you there.

 

[Behold]

As you continue to pursue your lying and pretending to know my reading list. I am done.

@Ronald Nolette ... you were "done" the very moment that John Calvinism took over your mind, and became your theology,.
What is that ? 40 yrs ago?

So...That is always the case, once this DEVIL takes you from the NT, right into the Theological Sewer that is : John CALVINISM.


See you there next time.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So, you are reduced to lying, because your Calvinism that has ruined your Christianity, cant be defended, honestly. @Ronald Nolette .

Ive noticed over the years that Calvinist, when they are unable to defend their cult, will LIE.

See you there.

No you are a four pointer!

YOu believe on ly the saved receive the atonement (erasure of sin) 1 pointer.
YOu believe that all men are lost and need a savior. 2 Pointer
You believe there are no preconditions in order to come to Jesus 3 Pointer
YOu believe in eternal security 4 pointer.

But you have let your heart get so darkened by the hate that fills it you cannot even see what you believe.

 

[Ritajanice]

Do you love GOD? I ask a son-in-law that once and His answer: We got to do that as well?
what would your answer be......My answer is :I love God because He loved me first long before I could love Him

I would answer and say, God loved me the moment my spirit was birthed into his,how could I not love His Living testimony back?

I wouldn’t even know who the Living God is, but for..the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God..he testifies Of God, he also testifies Of Jesus.

Born of God..His seed remains in us..in our spirit, that is what has been reborn.

 

[Behold]

No you are a four pointer!

YOu believe on ly the saved receive the atonement (erasure of sin) 1 pointer.

You are very confused, and very dishonest.

Listen.

I believe that God offers Jesus's Cross as the Blood Atonement, to "ALL who will believe".

John 3:16

YOu believe that all men are lost and need a savior. 2 Pointer

You believe that Calvin created the fact of Adam's Fall?

Try to understand that Paul wrote the NT< before Calvin twisted it inside your head @Ronald Nolette

You believe there are no preconditions in order to come to Jesus 3 Pointer

Wrong again Calvin-worshiper., that is 2000 times in a row.

Listen there is a "pre-condition".

You have to BELIEVE.....You have to be led of the Holy Spirit to recognize that you are a sinner, and that Jesus's Cross is where your sins may be washed in His Blood.

YOu believe in eternal security 4 pointer.

And Jesus was Eternal Security, as explained by JOHN< as "you can know you have Eternal LIFE"..... long before John Calvin was on the earth, asking his mama for a TIT.

Wake up.
Calvin didnt write the NT... little one.

But you have let your heart get so darkened by the hate that fills it you cannot even see what you believe.

I do indeed "hate" false doctrine that denies the Cross.

And so does God.

Believe it, Mr Predestined to SELL Calvinism

 

[GodsGrace]

As you continue to pursue your lying and pretending to know my reading list. I am done.

I can post other authorities that refute your authorities and they are not reformed nor covenant theology either. but you cannot believe that for it would destroy the caricatures you create and attack instead of holding a serious and real discussion.

YOu are a sad sack and unfit to hold a serious discussion.

When you recant of thinking you know my miond, heat and reading list, we can continue, otherwise I am finished with your straw men and dishonesty.

I am contnet to let god judge between your ad-hominems and beliefs and mine. We will find out.

Knew it.
You just read reformed stuff.
ANYTHING you link that does not agree with what I've posted
IS WRITTEN BY A REFORMED PERSON...
WHY?

Because they're the only denomination that does NOT agree with every other Christian denomination
Because calvinism is WRONG, unbiblical and heretical.

And here's how I feel about you never posting to me again...
But I know you will eventually.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

All your blather an

You are very confused, and very dishonest.

Listen.

I believe that God offers Jesus's Cross as the Blood Atonement, to "ALL who will believe".

John 3:16




You believe that Calvin created the fact of Adam's Fall?

Try to understand that Paul wrote the NT< before Calvin twisted it inside your head @Ronald Nolette




Wrong again Calvin-worshiper., that is 2000 times in a row.

Listen there is a "pre-condition".

You have to BELIEVE.....You have to be led of the Holy Spirit to recognize that you are a sinner, and that Jesus's Cross is where your sins may be washed in His Blood.



And Jesus was Eternal Security, as explained by JOHN< as "you can know you have Eternal LIFE"..... long before John Calvin was on the earth, asking his mama for a TIT.

Wake up.
Calvin didnt write the NT... little one.



I do indeed "hate" false doctrine that denies the Cross.

And so does God.

Believe it, Mr Predestined to SELL Calvinism

d you are still a four pointer according to the ficve points and their explanation. YOu can't hide from it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Very few pastors/churches preach about and what is the Hell that the majority of people will be for eternity....with no way out. It is sad that they don't for in its place they teach a gospel to make people feel good / following instead their world views. Not good at all.

You won't get any argument from me.
All love.
No justice.

see below, I have given you all the verses for the doctrines of election.

I hate carpet bombing.
Besides the fact that there are no verses that teach predestinaton of individuals.
Predestination IS in the scriptures...but it always is addressed to HOW to be saved or for PURPOSE.
Maybe you could pick out a couple and we could take a look?
Or not.
Your choice.

fortunate to be sure

You didn't reply to my question...
I had asked HOW could God be a merciful God
IF He's only merciful to some?
Isn't a merciful person so inclined toward everyone?
The bible teaches that God is merciful:
Ephesians 2:4-5
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

God is rich in mercy.
He loved us even when we were dead in our sins.

Luke 6:36
Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.

This is because God made us in His image.
Genesis 1:27
We have many of His attributes.

If He were not merciful, He would have ended it with the flood or when we are born...Why bring in "death in sins" to a world already full of them.

We don't know why God created the universe, or us, or why He upholds the universe.
We just know that He does and that He loves His creation.
Matthew 5:43-47
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’
44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

God bestowed us with love, because He IS love...
1 John 4:8

Jesus taught us to love everyone,,,just as God loves everyone.

I believe in Divine Sovereignty over all things.

All Christians believe in God's sovereignty.

Do you love GOD? I ask a son-in-law that once and His answer: We got to do that as well?
what would your answer be......My answer is :I love God because He loved me first long before I could love Him.

I love God because He saved me.
What...would be an interesting thread.
We get saved from what we require saving.
(besides our soul).

He gives you rain, air to breath, the very next heart beat....and so on.....you owe Him everything that counts.

If one can not come to believe (in a lifetime on earth) in Him and His Word(s) completely, then His mercy will stop after that individuals life on earth ends.

How does one come to believe?

It is funny, that you are talking about being a member of His Church yet worried about not receiving the saving Grace. How can you be both....The right answer is : One cannot!

Of course, I am not saying the unbeliever is not going to get God's Grace, But they are HIS WORDS. Please pass the article below around,,,people need to know!

How could the unbeliever not get God's grace??
You just posted that it rains on everyone...God upholds the universe for everyone.
How does a person get saved without God's grace?
While we were STILL SINNERS God saved us.
Without grace no one could be saved.

I have done that....Naahhh....only the non-believers see GOD as "NOT LOVING,
NOT MERCIFUL, NOT JUST "

I was not referring to non-believers.
They don't care about God.
I was referring to the reformed...
they are the ones that change God's nature and character into a God
that is unloving, unmerciful and unjust.
I'm not sure you're reformed.

His love, mercy is extended to all those believing with the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ from before the foundations of the earth... Justice will be served on the unbelieving in a future White Throne Judgement

Right. Everyone who believes will be saved/or, is saved upon believing.
From before the foundation of the earth?
Yes. God foreknows who will be saved...
and man chooses whether or not he wishes to believe in God.

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Faith saves.
He is to draw near to God and believe that He exists and God rewards those that seek Him.

Those who doubt(ed), curse(d), hate(d) and (ed) for past and present unbelievers. Future unbelievers is what I believe we are speaking of, right? Or at least I pray and hope so!

I think you're saying that unbelievers will not be spending time with God.
Agreed.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Read the following instead of reading only reformed information all the time.

Does Romans 9 teach Predestination for some or Salvation for All? | Sabbath School Net

Many take Romans 9 to say that God has chosen some people to be saved and others to be lost without any will or choice of their own. They call this

ssnet.org

How do you respond to Romans 9? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

The Deterministic Interpretation of Romans 9 Many people believe that Romans 9 demonstrates that God has the right and power to save whichever individuals he wants to save and damn whichever individuals he wants to damn. I’ll call this the “deterministic” reading of Romans 9, for it holds that...

reknew.org

I decided to look at your three cites just to see.

1. citing the 7th day adventists is not a +plus for you.
2. So full of opinion he could n't see the truth if it bit him He is and eisegeticist
3. Only got to the part where this Wesleyan said election is just corporate and knew He is wrong! Paul made clear there is a group election (not for salvation) and individual election which is soteriological which is the topic at hand. I have posted these verses already.

 

[Behold]

All your blather an

d you are still a four pointer according to the ficve points and their explanation.

Jesus is not a Calvinist.
Nor am I.

God makes : Christians

Calvin deceives them, and you are proving it as usual. @Ronald Nolette

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Just for the record for the extreme benighted who wish to keep inisisting I am a reformist or Calvinist or I study refomred theolgy.

1. I am a dispensationalist- the opposite of reformed theology
2. I am a literalist- the opposit of reformed or Calvinistic theology
3. I am a millennialist- the opposite of most reformers
4. I am a pre tribber, again the opposite of reformed and Calvnistic theology.
5. I believe in the future plan of Israel to be fulfilled- the opposite of reformed and Calvinistic replacement theology.

I studied in Baptist colleges and received my bachelors and masters in Colleges that would never be mistaken for reformed. I have taught against much of reformed theology as heretical.

If I would write 2- 50,000 word publications and submit the necessay funds, I could receive a double doctorate from Liberty University, which can never be mistaken as approaching reformed or Calvinistic.

If you wish to continue the lie I am reformed or read reformed theology(the last I read was over 20 years ago), then continue in your delusional lies.

I am a hard core dispensationalist which puts me at odds with most refomred and Calvinistic churches. The only thing I do agree on is TULIP. I will say if there is extensive writings on TULIP that go into deeper detail than the several paragraph or several page explanations I know not of them nor can I say I would endorse all of it. Reformed theology is a venue I abandoned over 45 years ago when I learned it contradicted many scriptures.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus is not a Calvinist.
Nor am I.

God makes : Christians

Calvin deceives them, and you are proving it as usual. @Ronald Nolette

YOu are a four pointer and you in your own writings proved it.

 

[Behold]

YOu are a four pointer and you in your own writings proved it.

I believe that God offers Jesus's Cross as the Blood Atonement, to "ALL who will believe".

Calvin does not believe this... at all. He rejects.

= John 3:16

Try to understand that Paul wrote the NT< before Calvin twisted it inside your head @Ronald Nolette

Listen...

WE each have to BELIEVE....of ourselves, as its OUR FAITH, that God requires... So, .WE have to be led of the Holy Spirit to recognize that you are a sinner, and BELIEVE that Jesus's Cross is where your sins may be washed in His Blood.

Also.... Jesus was Eternal Security, as explained by JOHN< as "you can know you have Eternal LIFE"..... long before John Calvin was on the earth, asking his mama for some breast milk.

And as i told you a few times....I do indeed "hate" false doctrine that denies the Cross, that you teach.

God hates Calvinism, exactly as God hates.. Mormonism, JW, Islam.. and all the other CULTs and their Theology that deceive people.

You've spent a good part of your life trying to Lead Christians into Demonic Calvinism. @Ronald Nolette , same as you are doing here today.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

This coming from one who is a staunch four point Calvinist believer. the extreme hubris and hypocrisy is very very amusing!.

1.) "The Vessels fitted for Destruction.."""'

So, that says that someone is "fitted for destruction".
Now that Destruction, is that they will end up in HELL.......that is the Destruction.. its "Eternal Damnation".
Now, John 3:36, just told you, who these Vessels are, and why they are under God's Wrath..... UNTIL.......What??? ??????????????????????
Until they Trust in Christ....and are rescued... REDEEMED from Eternal Judgement. Delivered from God's Wrath.

So, those are the "fitted ones"...the "Vessels"......Who are ALL under God's Wrath...as "Vessels fitted for Damnation"... UNTIL THEY DO WHAT? ???

A.) Believe in Jesus.

So, that verse is saying this.....>>"every one of us....You, me.. us ALL.....were under the wrath of God.. because of our unbelief, until we trusted in Christ" and were SAVED from that Eternal Wrath.
We, ALL of us, were the "vessels fitted for Destruction" and not because we were "chosen" to go to Hell, as LYING JOHN CALVINISM Taught its deceived Disciples to believe.

See that?
That is very easy understand, because its TRUE.

Now, let me show you Calvin's LIE.. the LIE OF Hyper-Calvinism.

This Lie is simply that some are chosen by God, to never be able to believe in Jesus.. so they are CAUSED by GOD to end up as the "Vessels fitted for Destruction".. according to LYING JOHN CALVINISM.
See that Lie?
And that Satanic Theology... is created by changing "Foreknowledge" into "pre-destined". And then Hyper-Calvinism refines this lie by teaching that because you have no Free Will, you can't of yourself trust in Christ.
So, lying Hyper Calvinism, has you ... pre-destined to be a """ Vessel fitted for Destruction"", by eliminating your free will, by changing "God's Foreknowledge" into "God predestined everything".. ..so that you now become predestined to go to Hell, and have no Free will to believe in Christ.
So, this ends up as God choosing you for Hell, and that is unbelievably Satanic, as a Theology, as it denies that Jesus died for everyone..John 3:16... and then Blames God for it.

A.) = That is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, as a Theology.

Now let me show you the most important part of the "vessels fitted" verse so that a Calvinist can't deceive you with it.
The Romans verse says... that God has "long-suffering" toward these "Vessels".
And that is related to this verse...found in 2 Peter

Notice it carefully.

""""The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING toward us, not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.""""""

See that? That verse is written to every unbeliever........ALL of them.., and we were ALL that at one time.........ALL of us... every person.
And when you read the "vessels fitted for Destruction".. it says the same thing.....that God is "" LONGSUFFERING toward them...""

So, reader, THINK......= if these "vessels fitted destruction" are Pre-Destined before they are born to go to Hell and can't Trust in Christ.... because God wont choose them..according to LYING HYPER CALVINISM.....then why is God "Long-Suffering Toward them???..= exactly as He is "longsuffering" toward "US"... in Peter's verse. ??
Its because God is not pre-destining anyone to Hell, as if He had chosen some for Hell, He would not care if they Go...He would not be "Longsuffering" toward them.....at all.....and yet, He is........longsuffering toward these "vessels fitted for detruction" because these are just UNBELIEVERS, who are in John 3:36. And, READER.... that was ALL OF US.. until we were Saved. We were ALL the "vessels fitted for destruction" until we TRUSTED IN CHRIST..

= No one is pre-destined for Hell.
= No one is pre-destined to not be able to trust in Christ.


God is not a Calvinist.
Jesus is not a Calvinist.

Calvinism and Hyper Calvinism, is a Cross Denying SATANIC Theology.

God creates : Christians

John Calvinism, is a ""Doctrine of Devils"", Hebrews 13:9...... and His deceived Disciples feel a inner compulsion, an obsession to try lead you to believe it, and become one.

You never explained what a hyper calvinist is.

@Behold, you condemn doctrines you clearly do not understand.

I posted this in another forum....

Jesus Christ taught TULIP, the Doctrines Of Grace.

JESUS ON TOTAL DEPRAVITY
Mark 7:15-23
Mark 10:18
Luke 18:9–14, Jesus commends the tax collector’s realistic view of himself as “a sinner.
John 8:34
John 3:19-21
John 8:44
Matthew 7:18

JESUS ON UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
John 13:18
John 6:37-40
John 17:6-9
John 10:29
Matthew 11:25-30
Matthew 22:14

JESUS ON LIMITED ATONEMENT
John 10:11
John 10:15
Matthew 26:28
Luke 19:10
John 6:35-40

JESUS ON IRRESISTABLE GRACE
John 1:12-13
John 6:63-65
John 17:2
John 6:44
John 6:37
John 11:43

JESUS ON PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS
John 6:39-40
John 10:27-30
John 5:24
John 6:47
John 17:2
John 3:16

When you bash and condemn those who believe in the Doctrines of Grace (TULIP), you are bashing the Lord's teachings.

The entire Bible is filled with these doctrines, Paul and the apostles taught them as well, way before John Calvin.

The fact is, that you do not understand Theology Proper, Soteriology and Hamartiology to start with.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

I believe that God offers Jesus's Cross as the Blood Atonement, to "ALL who will believe".

Calvin does not believe this... at all. He rejects.

= John 3:16

Try to understand that Paul wrote the NT< before Calvin twisted it inside your head @Ronald Nolette

Listen...

WE each have to BELIEVE....of ourselves, as its OUR FAITH, that God requires... So, .WE have to be led of the Holy Spirit to recognize that you are a sinner, and BELIEVE that Jesus's Cross is where your sins may be washed in His Blood.

Also.... Jesus was Eternal Security, as explained by JOHN< as "you can know you have Eternal LIFE"..... long before John Calvin was on the earth, asking his mama for some breast milk.

And as i told you a few times....I do indeed "hate" false doctrine that denies the Cross, that you teach.

God hates Calvinism, exactly as God hates.. Mormonism, JW, Islam.. and all the other CULTs and their Theology that deceive people.

You've spent a good part of your life trying to Lead Christians into Demonic Calvinism. @Ronald Nolette , same as you are doing here today.

You really should stop spreading lies.

Calvins Commnetary on John 3:16
That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found inthe world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.

 

[GodsGrace]

I decided to look at your three cites just to see.

1. citing the 7th day adventists is not a +plus for you.
2. So full of opinion he could n't see the truth if it bit him He is and eisegeticist
3. Only got to the part where this Wesleyan said election is just corporate and knew He is wrong! Paul made clear there is a group election (not for salvation) and individual election which is soteriological which is the topic at hand. I have posted these verses already.

I knew you'd be back.
But not this soon!

A 7th Day Adventist agrees with a Weslyan....

Thanks for making my point....
EVERY DENOMINATION understands Romans 9 DIFFERENTLY than the reformed do.
Of which YOU are one.

Know why?
Because the reformed DO NOT exegete Romans 9 PROPERLY.....
they see PREDISTINATION OF INDIVIDUAL PERSONS EVERYWHERE....

Even where it DOES NOT exist.

And you stopped reading at the word CORPORATE....
thus,,,,you refuse to read the truth.

 

[Bladerunner]

1.) "The Vessels fitted for Destruction.."""'

The Vessel is the Body...the soul is eternal...the body is not.

 

[Bladerunner]

You won't get any argument from me.
All love.
No justice.


I hate carpet bombing.
Besides the fact that there are no verses that teach predestinaton of individuals.
Predestination IS in the scriptures...but it always is addressed to HOW to be saved or for PURPOSE.
Maybe you could pick out a couple and we could take a look?
Or not.
Your choice.

No, It that was not good enough for you, I have nothing else to give you.

 

[Behold]

You never explained what a hyper calvinist is.

HyperCalvinism is an overemphasis on the doctrines taught by J. Calvin.
Specifically the first 4 points.

When you bash and condemn those who believe in the Doctrines of Grace (TULIP), you are bashing the Lord's teachings.

Listen,
Anyone can post 40 verses, and say...>"see there"....
So, when you do that, you've only proven that you dont understand them yourself, and that is why you cut and paste verses.
You have nothing else to offer but your invalid opinion that you pretend is "bible'.
Typical of a deceived Calvinist.

A.) Calvinism is a Cross denying Lie, that teaches that God wont allow some sinners to trust in Christ.

Jesus on the other hand "'"came into the world... to save sinners"""" and everyone is a sinner, so, everyone is qualified for Salvation, as being a SINNER is the qualification for SALVATION.

This is why John 3:16 says that Jesus came to save the World (of Sinners) and this offer of Salvation is to "whosover".. and that is "ALL who WILL believe".

Lying Demonic Calvinism, DENIES John 3:16

The entire Bible is filled with these doctrines, Paul and the apostles taught them as well, way before John Calvin.

No Apostle teaches that the "vessels fitted for destruction" is anything other then ..

John 3:36..

And noone is chosen to be an unbeliever............

The Lying Calvinism Doctrine, teaches ......"you are one of those who is pre-chosen to be sent to hell,..... but not me".

So, that is just garbage theology........and Calvinism is nothing less.
Calvinism is created for the Dumpster or for the bottom of a bird cage., as that is its absolute VALUE as a Theology.

Just remember that God Hates Calvinism, because its the worst Cult Theology, in that its utterly Satanic because it denies Jesus as the Savior of the World..(John 3:16).... and blasphemes God's Graces because Calvinism reduces Him to..>>"well, TULIP teaches that He can only save some.."

Calvinism, is a theological cancer on the body of Christ and needs to be cut off and burned.