For the anti-vax people here

[Gregory]

I am not addressing whether or not we should blindly trust the elected whether legitimately or illegitimately elected, what I have been addressing is the hatred of the posters towards the governments where they are living.

Hatred is a sin, and rebelling against our government is also a sin in that we are not respecting the Government that God is allowing to rule over us because of our sins.

I know the primary sin of my nation and the USA, but I am afraid that few Christians know what it is and the consequences of that particular sin. This sin is actually spelt out in Jeremiah 50-51, if you want to go searching for it. There is one verse in those two chapters that precisely describes what has and is happening in the USA.

It has been on display in the USA and in a few years it will be occurring here in Australia and in fact it is in its early days for Australia for the consequences being fulfilled here.

Shalom

OK, I read it. What is the sin you are talking about, there seems to be many?

 

[jaybird]

Does anyone know anyone directly that have died from corona? Not a friend of a friend but family, friend, co-worker etc.
Zero for me

 

[Cristo Rei]

Does anyone know anyone directly that have died from corona? Not a friend of a friend but family, friend, co-worker etc.
Zero for me

Im still yet to meet someone who knows someone who has actually had covid

 

[Whetstone]

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This is already a big difference

There's a big difference between what is known as a relative difference and an absolute difference.

For example, suppose we both participate in the lottery and I say to you that I actually have 100% more chance of winning than you do. 100% !

I mean that's like a massive advantage isn't it?

But the reality is simply this.

You bought 1 lottery ticket. I bought 2 lottery tickets.

Neither of us are going to win the lottery as the reality, the numbers that actually count, tell us that our chances are utterly miniscule and thus my additional 100% chance of winning, my having twice the chance of winning that you do, is actually pretty worthless.

So yes, the difference between the 185 cases of Covid in the placebo group and the 11 in the vaccine group looks significant if you ignore the big picture. That's why Pfizer say it's 94% effective. But when you properly expose those numbers in the context of the trial then you realise that there were only 185 cases of Covid amongst 15,000 participants in the placebo group and so their chances of getting Covid from the "get go" were utterly tiny. 98.8% of the people in that group didn't get Covid despite not being vaccinated. As stated earlier, those are fantastic odds. I'll take them every day of the week and twice on Sundays. That the vaccines could increase those already fantastic chances to 99.9% really doesn't interest me one iota. No more than buying 2 lottery tickets makes me think I am really that much more likely to win.

But of course each to their own. If people want to risk the side effects associated with vaccines for that kind of increase in chances then by all means go and get the shots. Everyone is different, we're all at differing levels of risk.

The risk of getting covid grows though, as more and more people get covid.

Ok but getting Covid is not really the issue. How Covid affects you is the issue. I have no doubt that my body is subjected daily to a wide range of pathogens, viruses, bacteria like Strep and Staph and cold viruses and ILIs and the like and goodness knows what else. I don't spend my life trying to keep my body clear of those things, I simply live with them in the comfort that my body's own immune system is highly competent and able to deal with them and has done my entire life. So for me, the number of Covid cases out there is really matterless. What matters is how Covid affects an individual and in this respect of course there are huge differences between people. It varies by gender, ethnicity, age, state of health and other factors. Hence some people are at significantly more risk than others. Those who are at significant risk should obviously take every precaution they can to protect themselves and to boost their own immune systems whether it be for Covid-19 or for Flu or anything else. There's a plethora of things one can do to boost one's immune system and a plethora of things to avoid doing that will damage the immune system. Down to individuals to be bothered enough to learn what those things are and to implement them in their lives.

Out of the reported cases, I think it's around about 9% of the entire US population, but this as we know would not be accurate as many Americans also struggled to get a test or maybe even didn't want the test, the real total percentage is a higher than the recorded number of covid-19 cases.

It's fairly well established now I think that the real number of Covid cases that have occurred is many multiples of the very limited number of confirmed cases that governments tell us about as a result of their limited testing of the population. Universities and scientists have told us the true number is between 10 times and 20 times the number of confirmed cases. Do the math.

 

[Josho]

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1 in 3748 for a 45-64 years olds in numbers is a lot of deaths, even for 25-44, the amount of people dying for that's age group from covid is quite a lot.

 

[JohnDB]

1 in 3748 for a 45-64 years olds in numbers is a lot of deaths, even for 25-44, the amount of people dying for that's age group from covid is quite a lot.

And the resulting birth defects and sterility from the masses having coronavirus is going to be huge.

 

[CadyandZoe]

From 300,000 in a day just a month ago now down to 92,000 cases a day in the USA

It looks like masks and vaccinations are working in dropping the numbers of covid cases down.

The PCR threshold was set very high. So high, in fact that fruit was testing positive for Corona Virus. For this reason, many of the so-called cases were false positives. Now that the WHO has recommended that the threshold be lowered, the number of cases seem to be dropping. I say "seem" to be dropping because they were never really that high in the first place.

One more thing, since hospitals are being paid according to the number of Corona Virus "deaths" they report, the reported numbers of deaths are also inflated. If someone died of a motorcycle accident and they also tested positive for CV, their death was recorded as a CV death. If a person died of a heart attack and they also tested positive for CV their death was reported as a CV death. In order to verify this, seek out data concerning the total number of deaths recorded year over year for the past five years. I think one will find that the number of deaths from all causes hasn't increased at all or very little.

 

[Gregory]

The PCR threshold was set very high. So high, in fact that any fruit was testing positive for Corona Virus. For this reason, many of the so-called cases were false positives. Now that the WHO has recommended that the threshold be lowered, the number of cases seem to be dropping. I say "seem" to be dropping because they were never really that high in the first place.

One more thing, since hospitals are being paid according to the number of Corona Virus "deaths" they report, the reported numbers of deaths are also inflated. If someone died of a motorcycle accident and they also tested positive for CV, their death was recorded as a CV death. If a person died of a heart attack and they also tested positive for CV their death was reported as a CV death. In order to verify this, seek out data concerning the total number of deaths recorded year over year for the past five years. I think one will find that the number of deaths from all causes hasn't increased at all or very little.

This is the best post on covid so far. Thank you.

 

[Mantis]

The PCR threshold was set very high. So high, in fact that fruit was testing positive for Corona Virus. For this reason, many of the so-called cases were false positives. Now that the WHO has recommended that the threshold be lowered, the number of cases seem to be dropping. I say "seem" to be dropping because they were never really that high in the first place.

One more thing, since hospitals are being paid according to the number of Corona Virus "deaths" they report, the reported numbers of deaths are also inflated. If someone died of a motorcycle accident and they also tested positive for CV, their death was recorded as a CV death. If a person died of a heart attack and they also tested positive for CV their death was reported as a CV death. In order to verify this, seek out data concerning the total number of deaths recorded year over year for the past five years. I think one will find that the number of deaths from all causes hasn't increased at all or very little.

Sounds like greed is what is accounting for the corona virus death counts.

 

[marks]

Hello,


I can understand the hesitancy to get a vaccine since the swine flu vaccine in the 1970's did not turn out so well.

With that being said those of use that you are all trying to convince that the vaccine is a bad thing there are things we need. Those things are legitimate research papers that talk about the vaccine and how bad it could be.

So the rules for this thread (I hope the mods like @Josho and others can help keep this thread on track) is that we want (I hope it is okay to put we) real research, not blogs, opinions, or theories that can't be proven. What is accepted is peer reviewed papers from Scientific journals, white papers with both having good credentials. Remember this is not about opinions but real scientific proof. If it is as bad as you all say it is then to find real scientific research should be quite easy.

Once again - No blog posts, no theories, no videos, no opinions just pure scientific research that the vaccine is bad.

Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus - PubMed

Conclusions: These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.

Much love!

 

[Rita]

Does anyone know anyone directly that have died from corona? Not a friend of a friend but family, friend, co-worker etc.
Zero for me

Yes, 10 people x
I have also witnessed 20 + work colleagues who caught the virus, and witnessed 27 other people get it, watch how sick they got and witnessed them gradually recovering.
Be grateful that you haven’t witnessed it yourself

 

[marks]

(PDF) Pathogenic Priming Likely Contributes to Serious and Critical Illness and Mortality in COVID-19 via Autoimmunity

SARS-CoV-2 has some unexplained pathogenic features that might be related to the table of putative pathogenic priming peptides. Exposure to these specific peptides - via either infection or vaccination - might prime patients for increased risk of enhanced pathogenicity during future exposure due either to future pandemic or outbreaks or via universal vaccination programs. While the mechanisms pathogenesis of COVID-19 are still poorly understood, the morbidity and mortality of SARS has been extensively studied. Thus, the involvement of pathogenic priming in re-infection by COVID-19 is a theoretical possibility; of course no vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 has yet been tested in animals and therefore we do not yet know if pathogenic priming is in fact expected. Such studies should be undertaken before use of any vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 is used in humans.

 

[marks]

Hello,

PS . . . I'm not anti-vax . . . I got my flu shot last spring.

Much love!

 

[Enoch111]

1 in 3748 for a 45-64 years olds in numbers is a lot of deaths, even for 25-44, the amount of people dying for that's age group from covid is quite a lot.

How can 0.03% (actually 0.027%) be "a lot of deaths"? Quite the opposite. "Hardly any deaths". Do you see what happens when people get brainwashed? They can't even do simple math. And when you realize that CDC inflated numbers by 1600% then you also know that this reporting was PURE PROPAGANDA for the sake of fear-mongering and COVID tyranny.

 

[Josho]

How can 0.03% (actually 0.027%) be "a lot of deaths"? Quite the opposite. "Hardly any deaths". Do you see what happens when people get brainwashed? They can't even do simple math. And when you realize that CDC inflated numbers by 1600% then you also know that this reporting was PURE PROPAGANDA for the sake of fear-mongering and COVID tyranny.

That's fake news about CDC, it has been fact checked, they do not have inflated numbers.

PolitiFact - No, the CDC isn’t inflating coronavirus statistics

Texas has 29 million people and 40,309 covid deaths have been record at this time, that is 1 in 725 of their population that has died from covid, 40,309 for one state is a big number.

USA has around about 330 million people, there have currently been 473,000 deaths. That is 1 in 697 people dying, 473,000 is a lot.

 

[BobVance]

That's fake news about CDC, it has been fact checked, they do not have inflated numbers.

PolitiFact - No, the CDC isn’t inflating coronavirus statistics

Texas has 29 million people and 40,309 covid deaths have been record at this time, that is 1 in 725 of their population that has died from covid, 40,309 for one state is a big number.

USA has around about 330 million people, there have currently been 473,000 deaths. That is 1 in 697 people dying, 473,000 is a lot.

How can 0.03% (actually 0.027%) be "a lot of deaths"? Quite the opposite. "Hardly any deaths". Do you see what happens when people get brainwashed? They can't even do simple math. And when you realize that CDC inflated numbers by 1600% then you also know that this reporting was PURE PROPAGANDA for the sake of fear-mongering and COVID tyranny.

You are absolutely correct, I think Josho is a bit biased, as he seems to site very liberal sources. The CDC has had to change a lot of there data. Snowflakes will site the data that best serve their ideology. You are dead on right! God Bless.

 

[JohnDB]

The real problem with covid is LONG COVID...not deaths so much...

Carrying an oxygen bottle for a year or more...chronic fatigue, encephalitis causing brain damages, kidney problems, endocrine system issues causing birth defects yet to be realized.

Where these things won't kill anybody...they sure will cause huge problems in the years to come.

Mainly this is not a respiratory system virus but an endocrine system virus. This is the reason most prepubescent children seem almost immune to the virus or have such mild cases that it's negligible.

So...
Death isn't the problem...it's the next generation that will pay the price for negligence.

 

[marks]

Mainly this is not a respiratory system virus but an endocrine system virus. This is the reason most prepubescent children seem almost immune to the virus or have such mild cases that it's negligible.

Interesting!

 

[Whetstone]

The real problem with covid is LONG COVID...not deaths so much....

Every disease has it's fair share of on-going long term problems. It's just we don't tend to talk about them or invent fancy media "meme" names for them. Lot's of people have "Long Flu" and "Long Pneumonia" and "Long Measles". Just because the authorities using the media invent a fancy name for it doesn't make it any more special or different.

No-one used to be remotely bothered that up to 650,000 people a year died from Flu and related conditions and have been doing so for many years now. Each to their own but I refuse to be reeled in by media manipulation and memes.

 

[JohnDB]

Interesting!

Your endocrine system is in your lungs as well...but not exclusively... obviously.

But the virus affects your endocrine system.