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Ziggy

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Whether the government was elected by fair or foul means is irrelevant, it is still not kosher to rebel against that government.

I would refer you to the book of Daniel.

It's not just about that though.
There are some serious problems with this so-called administration.
The reason why the people overwhelmingly voted for Trump in 2016 was to remove the very creatures that are inhabiting it now.
And they overwhelmingly voted for Trump again in 2020 but China and Iran interfered through cyberwarfare attacking the voting machines and flipping the votes from Trump to Biden.
There is a video called Absolut Proof and it shows exactly how the election was stolen.
This is a 2 hr video and shows how in different ways the election was manipulated.
I also posted an article from a Time Magazine where the ones behind the manipulation brag about how they "saved" the election.

I believe the name of the thread is called Absolute Proof. And also has the link to the Time article.
But here is the video incase you missed it.
Absolute Proof

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100,000 people in America died in January from Coronavirus...

That's 25% of the total deaths up to this point for us...many are reinfection cases.

But those who are getting vaxxed are staying well and safe.

Not really hard to figure this stuff out.

Now...best I can figure out is that ZJoe doesn't mind having a slow vaccine rollout... because it means unemployment stays high and the dollar falls...

Which makes exports go up.
And companies like Tesla buy Bitcoin.

The dollar is definitely going to continue to fall for a while.
Did you know that the cases of "flu" mysteriously dropped from 2019 7.7% to 2021 0.03%
Don't you find that fascinating?

Most people dying from covid are 85 and over.
I mean you think people live to be 100 every day?
COVID-19 deaths reported in the U.S. as of January 23, 2021, by age
Published by John Elflein, Feb 1, 2021
Between the beginning of February 2020 and January 23, 2021, of 359,352 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States, almost 115,700 had occurred among those aged 85 years and older. This statistic shows the number of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) deaths in the U.S. from February to January 23, 2021, by age.

ages 74-84 = 99,342
ages 65-74 = 76,404

so 65 and up

Now I'm not saying the virus doesn't exist. And the older you are the more susceptible you are to pneumonia or other respiratory infections which are attributed to covid.
However, I believe people would be susceptible to these same respiratory infections over 65 even without covid.

Now just the flu alone, not including any other cancer or pneumonia or organ failure or even natural death...


(CNN) —
The 2017-18 season ranks as the deadliest in more than four decades

An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This means it was the deadliest season in more than four decades – since 1976, the date of the first published paper reporting total seasonal flu deaths, said CDC Spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund.


But today the flu is 0.03%

So what I would like to know.. is this vaccine some kind of fountain of youth miracle cure?
Or are they just not calculating the numbers the way they did last year?

Did Covid cure the common flu?
And this is before the vaccine that flu numbers dropped from 7.7 to 0.003

So many questions, and not enough answers.
But God Bless You if you want the vaccine by all means take a number, stand in line, and they'll call you when it's your turn.

And once you get vaccinated you won't have to worry about the anti-vaxers because you will be safe.
Live and Let Live.

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The country is bankrupt.
The dollar's only value is the confidence people put behind it.
Once confidence fails the dollar is history.

Give more dollars, build more confidence?
Print more dollars, value goes down, prices go up, confidence fails, dollar is history.

No matter what a change of currency is coming. What it will be I don't know.
Maybe potatoes and onions.
Or apples and oranges.
Food, now that's what you need to watch.

That's that Black horse of the apocalypse.. something about a deal with China and soybeans or something..
I have more confidence in the dollar.

That just sounds so defeatist..

I think we're going to be just fine.
If we draw closer to God, He will draw closer to us, and perhaps we may escape the inevitable.
If it's inevitable is it escapable?
With God all things are possible.

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Where is your proof for what you are claiming? All that I am seeing is a fear mongers paradise in this thread.

Emotive arguments like you are presenting does not justify what is being posted. It is a false argument technique that is being used to favour one outcome.

All vaccinations have some form of risk, even a simple aspro can kill a person if it thins the blood too much and the person falls and cannot stem the blood flow escaping the body at the wound site resulting from the fall.

Should the use of Aspros be banned because it just might cause your to death in these circumstances?

I have a grand daughter who had to quit university because of her nut allergies and the lack of consideration from her fellow student about bringing nuts into the lecture halls and rooms.

There are so many injustices in the world which people simply ignore. The response to possible risk from the covid19 vaccines killing people is beyond belief and is systematic of a purely selfish society.

When we have so many threads encouraging the readers to rebel and revolt against our legitimately elected governments, it is so disheartening from a Christian perspective.

It is simply not kosher.

Shalom
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Let me tell you why I am NOT going to take the vaccine voluntarily. First, the illness has a 99.94 % recovery rate for my age group. Second, we have more than one effective treatment including hydroxy and Remdesivir. Third, A vaccine for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 is provided under the FDA "emergency use authorization (EUA)", allowing it to be sold under the proviso that the threat from the disease is worse than the threat from the vaccine. This is NOT to say that the vaccine would be fully approved if a "pandemic" were not in progress. Fourth, The government is proving itself to be untrustworthy, and in times past, has done human experiments on people against their will.

Cautions:
1. There is a difference between what scientists tell the public, and what they tell each other.
2. Fear is a strong motivator. (Even fear of something unreal.)
3. How does one control a nation of gun owners? What would make them exchange their liberties for control? (fear of viral outbreak?)
4. Those who report the news are paid actors.
5. Censorship is the enemy of truth.
 
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100,000 people in America died in January from Coronavirus...
More nonsensical fear-mongering! Do we know this for a fact, or is this simply more baloney? Chances are that no more than 200,000 have died in America since January 2020 strictly from coronavirus. And what percentage of the population is that, and what percentage of those deaths are in the 75+ age group?

EVERY OFFICIAL PRONOUNCEMENT AND STATISTIC ABOUT THE WUHAN VIRUS HAS BEE PURE BALONEY. BUT IF YOU REPEAT LIES LONG ENOUGH, THEY BECOME TRUTH.
 

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More nonsensical fear-mongering! Do we know this for a fact, or is this simply more baloney? Chances are that no more than 200,000 have died in America since January 2020 strictly from coronavirus. And what percentage of the population is that, and what percentage of those deaths are in the 75+ age group?

EVERY OFFICIAL PRONOUNCEMENT AND STATISTIC ABOUT THE WUHAN VIRUS HAS BEE PURE BALONEY. BUT IF YOU REPEAT LIES LONG ENOUGH, THEY BECOME TRUTH.
Worldometer is A-Political....pure science.

A solid reference for reports.

And the sad news for the day is that the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is not very effective against the South Africa strain, especially in older people. It helps some...

Back to formula for them.

But the basic truth is that: People are dying who haven't been vaccinated.
 

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To balance that people are dying from the *vaccines* themselves. So which is better?
People have not died from the vaccines. That's a vicious lie. One you WANT to believe but simply is NOT true.

I won't convince you as the easiest person to deceive is yourself and you have done a perfect job in this.
 

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People have not died from the vaccines. That's a vicious lie.
How can it be "a vicious lie" since it has been reported by multiple news sources? However the spin put on these deaths by the MSM is that they were not due to the vaccine, but something else, even though the victims dropped dead after the vaccine was injected.

501 deaths + 10,748 other injuries reported following COVID vaccine, latest CDC data show
/www.lifesitenews.com/news/501-deaths-10748-other-injuries-reported-following-covid-vaccine-latest-cdc-data-show
 

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From 300,000 in a day just a month ago now down to 92,000 cases a day in the USA

It looks like masks and vaccinations are working in dropping the numbers of covid cases down.
 
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People have not died from the vaccines. That's a vicious lie. One you WANT to believe but simply is NOT true.

It's not a lie. People have died from numerous vaccines over the years, the details can be found in the VAERS database. The instances are few of course, but it is certainly not a lie to suggest that people do die from vaccines.

In the case of the Covid vaccines the jury remains out because there HAVE been plenty of people dying shortly after being vaccinated (ranging from a few hours to a few days later). Whilst in every case the authorities are quick to say they don't think it is the vaccine in many cases there are on-going investigations or delays for post-mortems and the like. I will provide a list of such deaths for people to peruse at their leisure as I like to keep track of such things.

Perhaps the most notable instance of deaths is that of those that occurred in a Norwegian Care Home. Some 20-30 deaths occurred after vaccination and whilst the authorities didn't attribute the deaths to the vaccine itself, they instead appeared to attribute them to the process of vaccination and as a result suggested that the criteria for who should be vaccinated should be revisited. Essentially these were old frail people who it seems did not have the strength in their bodies to be subjected to a vaccination process that inevitably forces their bodies to mount an immune response. Doing so of course stretches one's immune system and expends valuable resources. You can read about this vaccination tragedy here:

23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine:
https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/

"Twenty-three people died in Norway within days of receiving their first dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, with 13 of those deaths — all nursing home patients — apparently related to the side effects of the shots, health officials said.

Common reactions to the vaccine, including fever and nausea, “may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients,” Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency, said in a Friday statement.

All 13 were nursing home patients and at least 80 years old. While officials aren’t expressing serious concern, they are adjusting their guidance on who should receive the vaccine. "



God bless those souls. I can but wonder whether it would have been kinder to leave those people alone and let them live out the remainder of their lives naturally and to take their chances with Covid instead of ending them prematurely via a vaccination programme.
 

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As promised here is a list of some of the people who have died following Covid vaccination. In all cases you will find that the relevant authorities say that the deaths were not due to the vaccine, but of course that must be expected. That fact is that investigations and post-mortems are on-going. A common theme appears to be heart related issues.

Norway 2 people
Two persons died after Covid-19 vaccination in Norway

Israel Man 75yrs old dies 2hrs after vaccination
Man's fatal heart attack likely unlinked to vaccine he took hours before

Israel 88-year-old dies hours after COVID vaccination in second such incident
88-year-old dies hours after COVID vaccination in second such incident

Portugal Health Worker dies 2 days after vaccination
Portuguese Health Worker Dies After Receiving Pfizer COVID Vaccine | Sahara Reporters
Portuguese woman dies two days after getting Pfizer covid vaccine | Daily Mail Online

Croatia 82 yr old dies day after being vacinated - heart failure
Cakovec Woman, 82, Dies of Heart Attack: Minister Beros - Unrelated to Vaccine

Florida Gregory Michael
Who Is Gregory Michael? Doctor Dead After COVID Vaccine, Wife Says It ‘Destroyed A Beautiful Life’
Miami doctor, 58, dies within three weeks of receiving Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine | Daily Mail Online

India 46 yr old
Health worker dies in Uttar Pradesh's Moradabad day after receiving COVID vaccine shot

Belgium 82yr old dies 5 days after vaccination
Belgian Resident Dies 5 Days After Receiving Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine

23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine:
https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/

A 56-year-old healthcare worker in Gurgaon
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/gur...accine-last-week-dies-autopsy-awaited-2356650

Mahipal Singh, 46 dies day after
https://scroll.in/latest/984327/cor...g-vaccine-official-denies-link-to-inoculation

Norway 82-year-old resident at Sola nursing home dies one day after being vaccinated
https://norwaytoday.info/news/82-ye...-day-after-being-vaccinated-against-covid-19/

Jerusalem 88-year-old man same day
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/293952

Health worker dies five days after taking vaccine in Andhra Pradesh
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nat...s-after-taking-vaccine-in-andhra-pradesh.html

60yr old California X-ray worker
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/27/x-ra...-get-covid-vaccine-dies-of-reaction-13974169/
https://patch.com/california/missio...ies-after-2nd-dose-coronavirus-vaccine-report

A 52-year-old nurse in Kerala dies day after vaccination
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...r-covid-vaccine-shot/articleshow/80596788.cms

a 55-year-old man of Uttar Pradesh died hours after vaccination
https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...-cmo-claims-death-due-to-heart-ailment/372583

Jharkhand health worker dies 36 hours after receiving Covishield vaccine
https://www.firstpost.com/india/jha...ter-receiving-covishield-vaccine-9267871.html

Ranchi health worker dies 2 days after taking Covid-19 vaccine shot
https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavir...19-covishield-vaccine-shot-1765513-2021-02-03

Tamil Nadu conservancy worker dies days after receiving COVID-19 vaccine jab
https://www.newindianexpress.com/st...r-receiving-covid-19-vaccine-jab-2258209.html

Gujarat: 30-year-old Sanitation worker dies hours after getting Covid vaccine
https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavir...fter-getting-covid-vaccine-1764580-2021-02-01

Telangana: Vaccinated healthcare worker dies
https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes....due-to-covid-vaccine/articleshow/80614919.cms

New York, 58yr old dies shortly after getting COVID-19 shot
https://www.businessinsider.in/scie...death-says-officials/articleshow/80721464.cms

A 33-year-old ASHA worker from Belagavi died Feb 3, vaccinated Jan 22.
https://www.deccanherald.com/state/...ays-after-taking-covid-19-vaccine-948060.html

A man in his 70s in Manhattan dies shortly after receiving vaccination
https://nypost.com/2021/02/07/elder...er-getting-covid-19-vaccine-at-javits-center/
 

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Worldometer is A-Political....pure science.
But the basic truth is that: People are dying who haven't been vaccinated.

This is indeed a truth John, but it is a misleading and partially stated truth which means it is somewhat divisive in nature.

The clear truth is that the vast majority of people who get the SARS-COV-2 virus survive.

Around 80% or more cases have no symptoms at all

Other cases only have mild symptoms that require no hospitalisation

So yes, whilst a small minority die from the disease, the great majority do not. In fact some 98.9% of people survive it.

It is worth being informed on such matters imo

For example are you aware of the results of the Pfizer vaccine trial?

In their Phase 3 trial Pfizer used some 41,135 people, half of which were vaccinated and the other half in the placebo group.

Pfizer and BioNTech Conclude Phase 3 Study of COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate, Meeting All Primary Efficacy Endpoints | Pfizer

Such numbers seem significant, and in terms of testing safety, they are. But what the public perhaps does not realise is that this did not mean that there were 41,135 cases of Covid. In fact quite staggeringly, out of all those people, there were only 170 confirmed cases of Covid of which 162 were in the placebo group and 8 in the vaccine group, by which numbers Pfizer arrived at it's claim of 94% effectiveness.

But when you look at those numbers you realise an astonishing fact.

It means that the placebo group, the people who were NOT vaccinated, saw only 162 cases of Covid amongst some 20,000 people.
That is remarkable. It means there chances of getting Covid were a mere 0.81% even without being vaccinated. In the vaccine group there were 8 cases in 20,000 people which is 0.04%. The difference between 0.81% and 0.04% is 0.77%. Less than 1% difference !

So the people in the placebo group had a 99%+ chance of not getting serious Covid illness even though they were not vaccinated.

I think those are great odd personally and as a result of assessing my personal risks due to age, gender, state of health etc I am absolutely not inclined to take any of the vaccines. Others who are extremely vulnerable will of course make their own personal risk assessments and decisions.

The story for the Moderna vaccine trial is very similar.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389


30,420 volunteers in the trial. 15,000 in each group.

The placebo group only saw 185 cases of Covid
The vaccine group only saw 11 cases.

So the unvaccinated people had a 98.9% chance of not getting Covid from the outset and the vaccine reduced that chance by a mere 1.13%.

It is what it is.

So yes, there are people dying but they are a small minority compared to the size of the global populations and the vast majority of people survive Covid and a huge proportion of those have no symptoms at all.
 

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Correlation doesn't mean causation.

And as soon as I can get my jabs I'm outta here.

Right now I'm more concerned with the vaccine holdup instead of rollouts
And I'm not the only one!

The sentiment behind the extremely slow pace of giving out the vaccines is growing ugly here. And getting uglier by the minute.

We are being patient...but it's wearing thin as the calendar moves forward into spring.
 

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The placebo group only saw 185 cases of Covid
The vaccine group only saw 11 cases.

This is already a big difference

So the unvaccinated people had a 98.9% chance of not getting Covid from the outset and the vaccine reduced that chance by a mere 1.13%.

The risk of getting covid grows though, as more and more people get covid. Out of the reported cases, I think it's around about 9% of the entire US population, but this as we know would not be accurate as many Americans also struggled to get a test or maybe even didn't want the test, the real total percentage is a higher than the recorded number of covid-19 cases.


Anyway, welcome to Christianityboard.
 

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The last thing I'm going to contribute to this thread is this statement.

You are free to choose.
When we no longer have free choice then we are no longer free.
It's as simple as that.

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