Fear God or Presume acceptance

[Candidus]

But thats why we have Grace, Like God His grace cannot fail.

Grace is not a thing one possesses, it is God's favor. It is not a "thing" in itself, but the means by which that favor is extended to man. It is grace to offer salvation, it is grace that allows us the ability to believe and repent. No one "has" the grace of God.

 

[Candidus]

You are not perfect

You are not saved...

The ad hominem attack is an evasion for not having and answer to why you are not regenerated and saved; right? By what would I make that determination? I don't know you; I don't know your heart... as you do not get to play God with other peoples spiritual lives. You have no idea; you would have said the same of Jesus if you were there when He said this.

An attack is not a reasonable response to a Bible verse. It certainly is not an answer. It does not make the command go away in the least; does it! If Jesus commanded it, it is something God will do. Instead of looking to comply and "Be ye perfect" you judge the words of Jesus as the rants of a lunatic that does not know what He is talking about. Throwing lofty impossibilities around so people feel guilty and mourn out for grace. "Unless you flap your arms and fly like a bird, you cannot be saved." Why not? If God is going to demand stupid impossibilities of man, and judge him based upon impossibilities, then mankind cannot be responsible for their failure to comply.

The question is, Jesus said "BE ye perfect"; are YOU perfect as your Father in heaven? I do not know you, but by your denial of that possibility in your response, all I see is that you are exhibiting pity on Jesus as being delusional in His command, and dismissing His words as nonsense instead of examining yourself and seeking what He meant and allowing God to do what he commanded in your life.

 

[mjrhealth]

You have no idea. you would have said the same of Jesus.

You are still in your flesh like teh rest of us, that bit you know, In the twinkling of an eye", has not happened yet, and this bit

Rev_5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

 

[mjrhealth]

Grace is not a thing one possesses, it is God's favor. It is not a "thing" in itself, but the means by which that favor is extended to man. It is grace to offer salvation, it is grace that allows us the ability to believe and repent. No one "has" the grace of God.

So you have nothing.

 

[Candidus]

But you see, that is the difference between one whose whole knowledge of God is what HE has read and one whos prefers to ask God, You know this bit,

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life

again

Heb_11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

and more

Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

and last

Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Psa 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
Psa 24:4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
Psa 24:5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
Psa 24:6 This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.
Psa 24:7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

remember Moses. went up into the Mountain and sought after God, while ISrael remained at the bottom, complained because Moses was taking so long, so built themselves an Idol to worship. so while Moses got to know God Israel was rebuked and many destroyed for turning away from God. Problem with Christianity, and this is religion in all its ugliness, is that it has turned the people away from God and kept the pople from Him, So few willing to give it all up to have Him, think because they read teh bible and study they have it all. like this bit

Rev_3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

As Paul put it

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

something you cannot get from Studying or as Christ put it to Peter

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

When people turn themselves to Christ and away from religion and this world, they will wind teh real Jesus, if they are willing to look.

Funny! Appealing to God's words in Scripture to teach and justify why we don't need God's words in Scripture! Brilliant!

 

[FollowHim]

But you see, that is the difference between one whose whole knowledge of God is what HE has read and one whos prefers to ask God, You know this bit,

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life

again

Heb_11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

and more

Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

and last

Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Psa 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
Psa 24:4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
Psa 24:5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
Psa 24:6 This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.
Psa 24:7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

remember Moses. went up into the Mountain and sought after God, while ISrael remained at the bottom, complained because Moses was taking so long, so built themselves an Idol to worship. so while Moses got to know God Israel was rebuked and many destroyed for turning away from God. Problem with Christianity, and this is religion in all its ugliness, is that it has turned the people away from God and kept the pople from Him, So few willing to give it all up to have Him, think because they read teh bible and study they have it all. like this bit

Rev_3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

As Paul put it

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

something you cannot get from Studying or as Christ put it to Peter

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

When people turn themselves to Christ and away from religion and this world, they will wind teh real Jesus, if they are willing to look.

These are general statements about turning to Jesus. What you seem to miss is talking about Jesus love changing us. Turning to Jesus for you appears a static experience, as if spending time with him just validates who you are.

Spending time with Him is about centring on the important issues and knowing peace. Can we love as He loves, respond knowing the heart of those around us? This is what I lay at His feet, my burdens, my failures and He heals me.

I suppose praise, worship, prayer only work if you know Him, His words and actions, His heart and will. But we only have our experiences, not other people's. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

These are general statements about turning to Jesus. What you seem to miss is talking about Jesus love changing us. Turning to Jesus for you appears a static experience, as if spending time with him just validates who you are.

Spending time with Him is about centring on the important issues and knowing peace. Can we love as He loves, respond knowing the heart of those around us? This is what I lay at His feet, my burdens, my failures and He heals me.

I suppose praise, worship, prayer only work if you know Him, His words and actions, His heart and will. But we only have our experiences, not other people's. God bless you

You dont speak of experience all you do is speak of what you read. '
Like this bit,

Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring

Jesus died so we could have a relationship with God, not so that we could go to church and read a book. But like Adam and Eve,
who told you . you where naked, people try to hide from Him.

Mat 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

So few willing.

1Th 2:5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:

 

[FollowHim]

When people say they have gone to heaven, I should reach for the medical book describing delusions, hearing voices and psychotic episodes. It is much more likely people are nuts than they truly know God.

We tend to believe we are ok, it's the world that needs change, when 99.99999% of the time it's us that need change and we got it wrong. Godly encounters of the true kind start with dumb founding the individual with who God is, and how this changes everything for them.

The new as age experiences are always we are ok, you need to have this experience yourself, it will make you realise there nothing for you to do....but bring others to this place....:)

In so doing sin and spiritualism becomes part of faith, asking to dead people ok, predicting the future through cards part of our walk.

 

[Candidus]

You are still in your flesh like teh rest of us, that bit you know, In the twinkling of an eye", has not happened yet, and this bit

Rev_5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

"For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace." Rom. 8:6.

"Those who are in the flesh cannot please God." Romans 8:8.

"For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." Rom. 8:13.

Are you living as a Romans 8 Christian, or a Romans 7 unregenerate? Paul is not writing about the flesh as in Original Sin or Inherited Depravity here, but actions, deeds of the flesh. God is not mad about any person's physical body; He is angry at our rebellion.

"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." Gal. 5:16.

If you "will not gratify the desires of the flesh" when you walk by the Spirit, does this not infer that you not sinning? If you don't put to death the deeds of the body, you will not live (spiritually).

 

[FollowHim]

You dont speak of experience all you do is speak of what you read. '
Like this bit,

Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring

Jesus died so we could have a relationship with God, not so that we could go to church and read a book. But like Adam and Eve,
who told you . you where naked, people try to hide from Him.

Mat 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

So few willing.

1Th 2:5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:

Are you trying to say Jesus's words mean nothing you need an "encounter".

Do you know the parable of the seed and the sower? The word of God is everything, Jesus is God's word in human form. His meaning of love and oneness is summarised in words, empathy, shared situations.

Jesus puts His heart in actions binging empathy. As love is set free within the words come alive. Whatever your version of faith you have it is not this. And this is our difference. It is my heart beat, my very breadth, the word of God.

What is amazing to me is words can be so central to the universe. They found our lives and meaning, they give us society and context. They show love and hate, they kill and bring life. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

When people say they have gone to heaven, I should reach for the medical book describing delusions, hearing voices and psychotic episodes. It is much more likely people are nuts than they truly know God.

We tend to believe we are ok, it's the world that needs change, when 99.99999% of the time it's us that need change and we got it wrong. Godly encounters of the true kind start with dumb founding the individual with who God is, and how this changes everything for them.

The new as age experiences are always we are ok, you need to have this experience yourself, it will make you realize there nothing for you to do....but being others to this place....:)

Yes so many claim spirituality yet deny its existence.

Gal_4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

will never change

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Gal_4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

That is the mark that God put on His that makes us His,

Joh_10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Luk_14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

God bless

 

[mjrhealth]

Are you trying to say Jesus's words mean nothing you need an "encounter".

Do you know the parable of the seed and the sower? The word of God is everything, Jesus is God's word on human form. His meaning of love and oneness is summarised in words, empathy, shared situations.

Jesus puts His heart in actions binging empathy. As love is set free within the words come alive. Whatever your version of faith you have it is not this. And this is our difference. It is my heart beat, my very breadth, the word of God.

What is amazing to me is words can be so central to the universe. The found our lives and meaning, they give us society and context. The show love and hate, the kill and bring life. God bless you

All it took for me was one little voice, "there is something wrong wit hall of this", was talking to Jesus long before I had an encounter. Would you deny God the right to visit whom He will, Oh ye of little faith.

 

[mjrhealth]

"For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace." Rom. 8:6.

"Those who are in the flesh cannot please God." Romans 8:8.

"For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." Rom. 8:13.

Are you living as a Romans 8 Christian, or a Romans 7 unregenerate? Paul is not writing about the flesh as in Original Sin or Inherited Depravity here, but actions, deeds of the flesh. God is not mad about any person's physical body; He is angry at our rebellion.

"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." Gal. 5:16.

If you "will not gratify the desires of the flesh" when you walk by the Spirit, does this not infer that you not sinning? If you don't put to death the deeds of the body, you will not live (spiritually).

As long as you are in your flesh you will be imperfect, that you cannot escape.

Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

The fire bit hasnt happened yet

 

[FollowHim]

All it took for me was one little voice, "there is something wrong wit hall of this", was talking to Jesus long before I had an encounter. Would you deny God the right to visit whom He will, Oh ye of little faith.

Each individual is different. I hear you, I know you, but I also know the Lord.

Jesus spoke God's word to rebuke satan. Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from God.

In the world of the Kingdom we listen to Jesus and follow.

What you bring is something else, so farewell my friend. God bless

 

[Candidus]

So you have nothing.

Neither do you or anyone else! No one "has" the grace of God, it is not a "thing" that can be possessed. Grace is not the blessing; it is the vehicle by which the blessing comes. If I give you something that you did not earn, let's say a car... that is Grace! But you do not "have" Grace! You have a car.

When people say they have gone to heaven, I should reach for the medical book describing delusions, hearing voices and psychotic episodes. It is much more likely people are nuts than they truly know God.

We tend to believe we are ok, it's the world that needs change, when 99.99999% of the time it's us that need change and we got it wrong. Godly encounters of the true kind start with dumb founding the individual with who God is, and how this changes everything for them.

The new as age experiences are always we are ok, you need to have this experience yourself, it will make you realise there nothing for you to do....but bring others to this place....:)

In so doing sin and spiritualism becomes part of faith, asking to dead people ok, predicting the future through cards part of our walk.

Experience is important, but truth is not determined by experience, but by the Word of God. The problem with an arrogant trust in experience is that it stands in judgment of Scripture. We do not judge Scripture; Scripture judges us. We will always fail if we judge what is true by our experiences instead of the words of God.

By experience I will demonstrate why this is true:

Look at the Forums and those that believe that they have a direct line to God and do not need to study Scripture. They appeal to where Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will lead them into all truth. Have you ever noticed that none of them agree 100%? There are only two conclusions... either they are not led by the Spirit into all truth; or the Holy Spirit has is confused as to what truth is!

 

[FollowHim]

It had to come, forget God's word you need this encounter. The clue is in forget God's word.

They speak as no friend of God but as something else.

Jesus's work was to lay the path for us to follow through words. Faith comes from hearing the word. Jesus is the word. Putting the word into action is eternal life.

Anyone who attacks the word is an enemy of Christ. It is that simple, and our foundation is that strong, Amen

 

[mjrhealth]

The problem with an arrogant trust in experience is that it stands in judgment of Scripture.

Who said it was experience I trusted, it is by faith God works, just because God or Jesus choose to show them selves to one, is it not there right to do so. and when I speak of experiencing God i mean, you want to know love, so He asks you to forgive some who really hurt you, you give when you can least afford it to someone in need, you give when you desire something for your self, you give even when you may not like the person, you loose everything for His asked, you walk away from it all so you can Know Him, that is experiencing God, all the rest is

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

If you desire Him HE is there but what are you willing to give up for Him.

 

[mjrhealth]

Look at the Forums and those that believe that they have a direct line to God and do not need to study Scripture. They appeal to where Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will lead them into all truth. Have you ever noticed that none of them agree 100%? There are only two conclusions... either they are not led by the Spirit into all truth; or the Holy Spirit has is confused as to what truth is!

Se you deny the power of God, you deny His spirit and His life, everything is about you, what you have done, its not about us it is about Him. Ths ibit

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Joh_18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Joh_10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

Its in your bible...

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

The truth is in Christ, you wont find it anywhere else.

 

[mjrhealth]

It had to come, forget God's word you need this encounter. The clue is in forget God's word.

They speak as no friend of God but as something else.

Jesus's work was to lay the path for us to follow through words. Faith comes from hearing the word. Jesus is the word. Putting the word into action is eternal life.

Anyone who attacks the word is an enemy of Christ. It is that simple, and our foundation is that strong, Amen

Yep this bit

Joh_10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

and

Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

But still denyed even to this day.

 

[Candidus]

As long as you are in your flesh you will be imperfect, that you cannot escape.

Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

The fire bit hasnt happened yet

Being imperfect in the Body is not the same as being sinful in the Body. If God meant perfection in this way, He failed. he is responsible, for He made our Body imperfect.

Nonsense! Look at the Day of Pentecost to see the visual fulfillment of fire. Fire is emblematic of the cleansing purification of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.