Fear God or Presume acceptance

[FollowHim]

Interpretation

How subtle is the difference between needing fear to bring respect to the dangers involved in something, and being fearful of the thing itself?

So some may fear God as in God cannot be approached or talked to, as opposed to in talking to God, respect and danger need to be taken into account. Now if these two propositions cannot be seen separately, then fear and language have a problem.

Fear is often associated with our fathers and not understanding them because of a lack of communication. This fear is expressed by avoiding and denying any connection, or if there is connection just keeping it to the minimum. I had this as a teenager. I spent time thinking through what it would be like to be a leader and need support and feedback. This started to replace my fear with understanding, love and grace. I projected had this fear onto all leaders, and God. I wanted people to understand me to a ridiculous degree to mitigate my fear.

So I can see why if people have never worked this through, and distant dads are a common experience why fear might be seen and felt in only one context only. I say praise the Lord, because I think this is an important revelation as to how people differ, and why some regard fear is such negative terms. It is also why I do not. God bless you

 

[marks]

When I drive my car I need fear, literally need it, to understand in 4 seconds I can be dead if I do not pay attention. I must stay away from other cars, watch my speed, changing road conditions.
If I relax I have an accident.

Why would this require you be afraid? Can you not be diligent without fear?

I'm not afraid of getting in an accident. I'm not afraid of being injured, and I'm not afraid of dying. All of these will serve God's will if they happen. He will only allow what will work for my good. But I'm careful as can be when I drive, because I want to steward what I've been given.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I think you cannot understand the process. I drive along, and then realise I have got too relaxed and need some adrenaline, because things are getting difficult. This is what I mean when I say I need fear. Clearly this is not something you experience, but then maybe you are not aware of the real dangers travelling at 50 mph is built up traffic. An impact at that speed is not recoverable from if you come to a dead halt.

As long time motorcycle rider (ret.), I assure you that I understand about dangers in traffic.

Fear in this regard actually works against you. Being constantly worried of something going wrong takes your mind away from doing what is right. And on a motorcycle, you don't have time for that. At least not the way I rode!

:)

Much love!

 

[Willie T]

As long time motorcycle rider (ret.), I assure you that I understand about dangers in traffic.

Fear in this regard actually works against you. Being constantly worried of something going wrong takes your mind away from doing what is right. And on a motorcycle, you don't have time for that. At least not the way I rode!

:)

Much love!

I've had 47 bikes myself, and completely agree with you.

 

[Candidus]

You cannot love what your fear, because there is no fear in Love.

Because Perfect Love does not sin!

 

[marks]

I've had 47 bikes myself, and completely agree with you.

That's why I stopped, actually. I had not ridding for about 6 months, first the flu, then the rain, then the new job, then the rain again, blah blah until 6 months went by, and I found myself thinking, I'd better be careful out there! Hate for something to happen now! And it hit me, I had known 3 guys who were in very bad motorcycle wrecks, and I saw the same thing in each of their stories, they got spooked. So when I realized I had gotten spooked, I quit that day.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why would this require you be afraid? Can you not be diligent without fear?

I'm not afraid of getting in an accident. I'm not afraid of being injured, and I'm not afraid of dying. All of these will serve God's will if they happen. He will only allow what will work for my good. But I'm careful as can be when I drive, because I want to steward what I've been given.

Much love!

Amen

If we are afraid. we are going to be more dangerous..

We are not supposed to live in fear anyway Knowing God has us in his hands

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As long time motorcycle rider (ret.), I assure you that I understand about dangers in traffic.

Fear in this regard actually works against you. Being constantly worried of something going wrong takes your mind away from doing what is right. And on a motorcycle, you don't have time for that. At least not the way I rode!

:)

Much love!

Same here.

My daughter was afraid when I tried to teach her to drive, I had to stop because I was making it worse and get someone who could handle her fear. which she would not allow me to do..

 

[marks]

Amen

If we are afraid. we are going to be more dangerous..

We are not supposed to live in fear anyway Knowing God has us in his hands

It's pretty clear to me that we are to have the fear of God, but that's not the same thing as being afraid of Him.

Much love!

 

[Candidus]

We have a God who's promises are Yes and Amen, who has given us salvation by Faith, what part of God can you see failing??

I do not see God failing; I see man failing.

'Keep yourselves in the love of God." (Jude 21). "For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Heb. 10:30-31.

There is no fear if you are walking in the light as He Himself is in the light... but to those that do not continue in faith, there is fear; as there should be.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's why I stopped, actually. I had not ridding for about 6 months, first the flu, then the rain, then the new job, then the rain again, blah blah until 6 months went by, and I found myself thinking, I'd better be careful out there! Hate for something to happen now! And it hit me, I had known 3 guys who were in very bad motorcycle wrecks, and I saw the same thing in each of their stories, they got spooked. So when I realized I had gotten spooked, I quit that day.

Much love!

That happened to me when a good friend of mine and his wife died in a motorcycle accident. I was riding one day, and came out behind some trees. and the wind hit me so hard it knocked me into the gravel, and it took all I had to come to a stop.. This is how he was killed, Hit gravel and dropped the bike and the vehicle behind them ran them over. I finally drove home and sold the bike. knowing I was more a danger to myself and others.. and not worth it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's pretty clear to me that we are to have the fear of God, but that's not the same thing as being afraid of Him.

Much love!

I think it is the english word that is the issue

I respect God.. as Lord and Savior and creator.

 

[FollowHim]

It's pretty clear to me that we are to have the fear of God, but that's not the same thing as being afraid of Him.

Much love!

I am terrified of God without Jesus, without His forgiveness and love, His grace and encouragement, I would be ash, a pile of chaff blowing about without foundation or hope, weeping and gnashing my teeth.

I have had fear, frozen to the spot, when I thought there was a burglar in the house. Now what threat is a burglar compared to my creator.
I cannot fathom how undone I would feel to just see His temple, and to know His presence.

Now to know this King has given us peace, a way through the curtain, and place of grace and trust. But what if I have thrown Jesus's words aside, His warnings, His caution, His advice and stride in like I own the place, what of me then? Am I not the presumptous fool pretending I understood while actually staying outside, thinking I knew, but denying the path to freedom.

So I have reason to fear and reason in Christ to be humble and have a contrite heart and approach in bended knee. God bless you.

 

[marks]

But what if I have thrown Jesus's words aside, His warnings, His caution, His advice and stride in like I own the place, what of me then? Am I not the presumptous fool pretending I understood while actually staying outside, thinking I knew, but denying the path to freedom.

Is that what you have done?

Or, have you, being weary, heavily burdened, come to Jesus to find rest? To learn of Him, will give us rest?

I don't think this fear is a feeling, as we understand emotional fear.

Much love!

 

[FollowHim]

Is that what you have done?

Or, have you, being weary, heavily burdened, come to Jesus to find rest? To learn of Him, will give us rest?

I don't think this fear is a feeling, as we understand emotional fear.

Much love!

Why is not fear fear? Scripture says fear God a lot, so if this is not what we know as fear, why do they say fear?
I would suggest it is plain and simple fear, fear God and not man ie listen to Gods ways above mans ways.

On the subject of fear there is a brain shut down type of fear, which is physical and stops us thinking and functioning.
It is the fight or flight reflex, and if one is doing a motor skill, ie something we hold on to, it is very dangerous.

This is not the kind of fear scripture is referring to. I had not thought, that people were thinking about this kind of fear.
Fear I am thinking about is who is more important to listen to, and what are the consequences if we get it wrong.

The reason I am talking about this respect and fear, God dictates truth, His truth, His perspective. There is nothing more important than His will, and yet if I say Jesus says obey His words, put them into practice, build your house upon the rock, I am told I am a legalist and evil and wrong.

On any simple level, if you worked for a company, and they told you how to operate machinary, which if you got wrong would be very expensive and you would get fired, you would listen and take notes to get it right. But here we have believers who claim to know God, to want to be in His service yet ignore, throw out and despise the instructions of God. That is not showing respect or fear, it is just accepting what is right in their own eyes and grabbing all the treasure and none of the cost.

To some it appears this cost is the burden they want to lay down, at the foot of the cross, not having the joy of love and following the King.
I do not think I or any human can cross such a divide, only Gods Holy Spirit and an encounter with Jesus can bring this about.

God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
9 Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom.
10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
11 Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
James 4:8-11

I remember talking to believers, who denied they needed to repent of sin, even when they committed it, or purify their hearts, which they said was impossible, and certainly grieving, mourning and wailing they would refuse to even be sad about their state of continued sin and rebellion.

Now I was not in a position to say what sin they were guilty of, they condemned themselves as sinners continually sinning. So to all intents and purposes they were not in the Kingdom and they did not know Jesus, feared Him or listened to Him, had no victory or understanding as prisoners they were now free. As a follower of Jesus I love His people and assume my fellow believers know this victory in Him, and desire to walk in love and His ways. So it is a shock to meet people who claim all the promises but deny the emotions and reality of walking in fellowship with God and knowing His will in heaven and wishing it to come to earth. Sinners who boast in their sin on earth have no intention of bringing heaven down or seeing Gods will worked out, rather keeping the status quo and if possible destroying these heretics who claim to follow Jesus. God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

I had a thought. When Korah was in his tent and the 250 priests were offering their coals before God, what was going through their minds?
God is going to confirm we are right and Moses is wrong.

What did Moses say, if God is speaking through me, He is going to do something not seen before.
So the priests get burnt up with flame from the temple, and Korah and his tents are swallowed by the ground.

Now do you think it is easy to hold an opinion against God, to dismiss His word, to ignore His warnings and commands, laid down from one end of scripture to the other, as if they are just to old dispensation, but we have the new one, where whatever we do, literally we are safe in Gods hands.

Nothing anywhere is scripture says we are safe, only God is impartial and He was provided a way, if we walk it, we will find Him and eternal life.
Only nutcases would weave another story, because this God pulls no punches, when He judges you are lost, permanently, no going back, this is it.

But people have gone to their deaths denying love and claiming Christ, which shows familiarity breeds contempt. I am staggard by this, but then I see how people every day wake up and say they are fine, this day will go just like the previous one, no worries. Until finally the day arrives and God demands their soul. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

I do not see God failing; I see man failing.

'Keep yourselves in the love of God." (Jude 21). "For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Heb. 10:30-31.

There is no fear if you are walking in the light as He Himself is in the light... but to those that do not continue in faith, there is fear; as there should be.

But thats why we have Grace, Like God His grace cannot fail.

 

[mjrhealth]

Now do you think it is easy to hold an opinion against God, to dismiss His word, to ignore His warnings and commands, laid down from one end of scripture to the other, as if they are just to old dispensation, but we have the new one, where whatever we do, literally we are safe in Gods hands.

But you see, that is the difference between one whose whole knowledge of God is what HE has read and one whos prefers to ask God, You know this bit,

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life

again

Heb_11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

and more

Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

and last

Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Psa 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
Psa 24:4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
Psa 24:5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
Psa 24:6 This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.
Psa 24:7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

remember Moses. went up into the Mountain and sought after God, while ISrael remained at the bottom, complained because Moses was taking so long, so built themselves an Idol to worship. so while Moses got to know God Israel was rebuked and many destroyed for turning away from God. Problem with Christianity, and this is religion in all its ugliness, is that it has turned the people away from God and kept the pople from Him, So few willing to give it all up to have Him, think because they read teh bible and study they have it all. like this bit

Rev_3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

As Paul put it

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

something you cannot get from Studying or as Christ put it to Peter

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

When people turn themselves to Christ and away from religion and this world, they will wind teh real Jesus, if they are willing to look.

 

[mjrhealth]

Because Perfect Love does not sin!

You are not perfect