Fear God or Presume acceptance

[Episkopos]

They did not get in because of UNBELIEF

The continued in sin BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF

People don't walk as Jesus over the power of sin by that same UNBELIEF. THAT is what Jesus came to do...give us the grace to overcome as He overcame.

 

[marks]

In fact we are exactly like them.

We are a new creation, born of God, and they were not. If you want to do a mutual exploration of Scripture in a polite and respectful manner, we can do that together.

Simply stated no one was born again until after Jesus rose from the dead, as rebirth is joining Him in His death, burial, and resurrection. This is why OT faithful were to enter sheol upon their death, while we are already seated together with Christ in the heavenly realm.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Most people remain selfish and claim the gift of salvation for themselves without bearing the right kind of fruit.

Most people? Most people, I think, don't even really believe in God. And they, being unregenerate, yes, would be by nature selfish. And whatever they claim, what of it? It means nothing.

But what is that among the believers?

Unless you mean to say that "most Christians remain selfish and claim the gift of salvation for themselves without bearing the right kind of fruit". But if that was what you meant, wouldn't that be what you would write? But then I'd have to ask, how would you even know that? It seems to me that the only usefulness for that sort of a statement is to make a blanket slander, maybe hoping some of it would stick to those who dispute your doctrine?

Are you talking about those who are born again? Or those who are not?

Just trying to clarify here.

 

[marks]

People don't walk as Jesus over the power of sin by that same UNBELIEF. THAT is what Jesus came to do...give us the grace to overcome as He overcame.

Well of course!

:)

I mean, if they are walking in unbelief.

We still need to do that thread exploring what actually the Bible says about how Jesus walked. I think that will be very meaningful!

 

[Episkopos]

We are a new creation, born of God, and they were not. If you want to do a mutual exploration of Scripture in a polite and respectful manner, we can do that together.

Simply stated no one was born again until after Jesus rose from the dead, as rebirth is joining Him in His death, burial, and resurrection. This is why OT faithful were to enter sheol upon their death, while we are already seated together with Christ in the heavenly realm.

Much love!

The stakes are much higher now...if you want me to lead you through a bible study about this...let me know. The calling is higher...and the standard is WAY higher. It is perfection IN Christ. But we have been equipped to our scale by grace as they were to theirs in their own strength. Like a handicap in golf. Either way we can call upon the Lord.

If you need help...let me know! ;)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

People don't walk as Jesus over the power of sin by that same UNBELIEF. THAT is what Jesus came to do...give us the grace to overcome as He overcame.

They were offered the same grace Yet they denied it in unbelief

They could no more be saved by works than you can

You either have faith like Moses and Joshua. or you die in unbelief as they did.

Your works have no part in being saved

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The stakes are much higher now...if you want me to lead you through a bible study about this...let me know. The calling is higher...and the standard is WAY higher. It is perfection IN Christ. But we have been equipped to our scale by grace as they were to theirs in their own strength. Like a handicap in golf. Either way we can call upon the Lord.

If you need help...let me know! ;)

Higher now?

How? they were just as much dead to God as we are/were?

 

[Episkopos]

Well of course!

:)

I mean, if they are walking in unbelief.

We still need to do that thread exploring what actually the Bible says about how Jesus walked. I think that will be very meaningful!

Jesus walked without sin...and when we walk IN Him we walk the same way...in the same power. THAT is the NT standard. His perfection...His holiness...His life. No longer I but Christ. So we are to walk in that same victory....by faith.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus walked without sin...and when we walk IN Him we walk the same way...in the same power. THAT is the NT standard. His perfection...His holiness...His life. No longer I but Christ. So we are to walk in that same victory....by faith.

Yep

But no one does that 100% of the time

That's WHY we need grace Apart from which, we would ll be doomed

And to be honest. I think alot of people think they are walking in jesus when they are not

 

[marks]

The stakes are much higher now...if you want me to lead you through a bible study about this...let me know. The calling is higher...and the standard is WAY higher. It is perfection IN Christ. But we have been equipped to our scale by grace as they were to theirs in their own strength. Like a handicap in golf. Either way we can call upon the Lord.

If you need help...let me know! ;)

Personally I think the best place to begin is in Romans chapters 3-8.

But yes, that is the essence, perfection in Christ. Though I think you and I mean different things when we each say that.

I had posted a post some time ago showing my understanding of Justification, do you recall?

Rather then share your understanding of what our justification is, you simply said it's been debated a long time, and went on to something else.

Perhaps begin here.

Romans 5:1 "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"

Romans 6
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

"Freed" here is more literally "justified", "he that is dead is justified away from sin".

We are justified by faith in Christ, and we are justified away from sin.

What does this mean to you?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yep

But no one does that 100% of the time

That's WHY we need grace Apart from which, we would ll be doomed

And to be honest. I think alot of people think they are walking in jesus when they are not

The apostle Paul wrote, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, that he wasn't a fit judge of himself. So who is? If we're thinking we can judge ourselves according to our words the only one we're kidding is ourself.

And certainly to think that you'll be accepted by God or not based on whether you lived up the the legal standard, seriously? As you say, even if someone thinks they are . . .

But as you've discovered, Episkopos teaches that there is no certainty in our relationship with God. But I find Much otherwise in Scripture, and in my life.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Jesus walked without sin...and when we walk IN Him we walk the same way...in the same power. THAT is the NT standard. His perfection...His holiness...His life. No longer I but Christ. So we are to walk in that same victory....by faith.

Yes.

I Understand. God has given us a new life, and has appointed us to walk in that new life, to walk in the works which He appointed beforehand. Crucified to the flesh. Alive unto God. A slave of righteousness.

Put off! the old man! Put on the new man, created according to God, in righteousness and true holiness. Put that man on! Put on Christ!

Add to your faith virtue . . . now you trusted Him, now have a heart that yearns for good! To virtue add knowledge. Learn what that good is. It goes on.

Having been born again sharing in His nature, united with His Spirit, we have been given all we need for a righteous and holy life, and that is exactly what we are to do. And we can!

Much love!

 

[mjrhealth]

What do you mean by saved? Saved to what? All Christians are saved FROM death. But many are saved TO shame and dishonour. You need to get away from the indoctrination of the pews and read the bible more carefully.

Shame and dishonor,who do you think God is???

 

[mjrhealth]

will fail the grace of God.

How does one fail Grace, didnt know grace was a test??

 

[mjrhealth]

You guys have 11 and 14? I must be slipping, I don't have any.

Makes two of us.

 

[mjrhealth]

So we will all be judged at the end for what we have done for what we have been given.

I think you missed this part

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

some have already passed from death into life, for them there is no judgement.

Too much bible not enough Christ

 

[Episkopos]

I think you missed this part

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

some have already passed from death into life, for them there is no judgement.

Too much bible not enough Christ

Where did you get your bible degree? ;)

There is a previous judgment....face to face...at the Bema seat. Judgment begins at the house of God. 1,000 years later is the GWT judgment for the nations. At that time anyone who is NOT written in the book of life is exterminated in the lake of fire.

 

[Episkopos]

How does one fail Grace, didnt know grace was a test??

You have much to learn grasshopper. Of course grace is a test. This life is a test and a school. Judgment follows. Remember what school was like? Well there are exams to pass.

 

[mjrhealth]

Where did you get your bible degree? ;)

There is a previous judgment....face to face...at the Bema seat. Judgment begins at the house of God. 1,000 years later is the GWT judgment for the nations. At that time anyone who is NOT written in the book of life is exterminated in the lake of fire.

I dont have one, dont care to get one, rather know Christ, teh one you keep talking about.

 

[mjrhealth]

You have much to learn grasshopper. Of course grace is a test. This life is a test and a school. Judgment follows. Remember what school was like? Well there are exams to pass.

Oh now grace isnt free, it is no longer a gift, you have to earn it, now its all about you. Whatever happened to grace by faith, trodden underfoot by teh religious and bible scholars

Why am I not surprised, teh bible is not God,