David in NJ
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That is perfectly acceptable by the LORD Jesus Christ who died for for me - and the Holy Spirit my Heavenly Father gave to me.
False Teaching: Mary died a virgin. Biblical Proof Mary had children.
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If God thought it perfectly acceptable to remain willfully ignorant of the Truth, then He wouldn't have exposed falsehoods.
David in NJ
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The Truth i have in Christ, in His word and in the Holy Spirit = i have been Born-Again by the Spirit of God and Baptized in His Holy Spirit.
No religion gave this to me AND no one can take this Holy Spirit Fellowship away from me.
RCC and Her idolatrous ways was sent away where She awaits Her judgment.
Hebrews ch11 - "But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."
None of that refutes the fact that if God thought it perfectly acceptable to remain willfully ignorant of the Truth, then He wouldn't have exposed falsehoods.
David in NJ
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The Holy Spirit has been speaking thru me directly to you confirming the Truth and exposing the falsehoods.
This is how God's love for you takes action = thru His loving Truth, which is for you IF, you follow the same Path we all must take.
"Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works."
How can the Holy Spirit reveal the Truth to you when with your will you choose to remain willfully ignorant of the Truth of what the Catholic Church actually teaches?
David in NJ
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Dear Friend, the Truth is JESUS
Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
Jesus said to him, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
Jesus is right. I'm just saying if you're not willing to know the truth about what the Catholic Church actually teaches then you're choosing to be willfully ignorant of what they actually teach.
David in NJ
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You were told 3 times that i KNOW what RCC teaches.
You NEED to KNOW what God teaches from His Holy Word - you can start today.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you:
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’
Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
BlessedPeace
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How many times will man insist a falsehood, perpetual virginity of Jesus mother, is truth?
For centuries.
This day shall be no different.
Pick a topic
The Bible is the inspired words of God. But God didn't mean what it says here or there. "Let's discuss!"
How many times will man insist a falsehood, perpetual virginity of Jesus mother, is truth?
For centuries.
This day shall be no different.
Pick a topic
The Bible is the inspired words of God. But God didn't mean what it says here or there. "Let's discuss!"
Show that Jesus's brothers Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) were His siblings, verse by verse below:
Note: The Koine Greek words "ἀδελφός" (sing. adelphos; pl. ἀδελφοὶ adelphoi) and "αδελφαι" (sing. adelphē; pl. αδελφαι adelphai), translated to "brother" and "sister" in English, have multiple definitions, e.g., "fellow-countryman", "disciple/follower", "one of the same faith", and "a near kinsman, or relative", etc. Additionally, the word "ἀδελφός" (sing. adelphos; pl. ἀδελφοὶ adelphoi) in the plural regularly refers to men and women.
I. "And she gave birth to her firstborn son..." (Lk. 2:7)
The word "πρωτότοκος" (prōtotokos), translated to "firstborn" in English, has more than one definition. What evidence do you have, if any, that shows the definition "eldest" applies in Lk. 2:7?
II. "Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is His mother not called Mary, and His brothers, James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? 56 And His sisters, are they not all with us?" (Matt. 13:55-56)
Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are His sisters not here with us?” (Mk. 6:3-4)
Matt. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3 are two accounts of the same scene. We agree the definition that applies to the Koine Greek words "ἀδελφοί" (sing. adelphos; pl. ἀδελφοὶ adelphoi) and "αδελφαι" (sing. adelphē; pl. αδελφαι adelphai) in Matt. 13:55-56/Mk. 6:3-4 is "a near kinsman, or relative", but a kinsman/kinswoman/relative can be a sibling, cousin, nephew, niece, uncle, or aunt, etc., and the words themselves don't indicate which type of kinship applies. What evidence do you have, if any, that shows the type of kinship that applies to Jesus's brothers and sisters here is siblings?
III. "While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him". (Matt. 12:46)
"Then His mother and His brothers came..." (Mk. 3:31)
"Now His mother and brothers came to Him..." (Lk. 8:19)
Matt. 12:46, Mk. 3:31, and Lk. 8:19 are three accounts of the same scene, and the Koine Greek word used in each is "ἀδελφοί" (sing. adelphos; pl. ἀδελφοὶ adelphoi), translated to "brothers" in English. What evidence do you have, if any, that shows the definition "a near kinsman, or relative" applies here; that the type of kinship that applies here is siblings; and that those brothers were specifically some or all of Jesus's male brothers named in Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3, and which ones?
IV. "After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers and His disciples; and they stayed there a few days." (Jn. 2:12)
What evidence do you have, if any, that shows the definition "a near kinsman, or relative" applies here; that the type of kinship that applies here is siblings; and that the brothers here were specifically some or all of Jesus's male brothers named in Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3, and which ones?
V. "For not even His brothers believed in Him". (Jn. 7:5)
What evidence do you have, if any, that shows the definition "a near kinsman, or relative" applies here; that the type of kinship that applies here is siblings; and that those brothers were specifically some or all of Jesus's male brothers named in Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3, and which ones?
VI. "All these were continually devoting themselves with one mind to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers". (Ac. 1:14)
What evidence do you have, if any, that shows the definition "a near kinsman, or relative" applies here; that the type of kinship that applies here is siblings; and that the brothers here were specifically some or all of Jesus's male brothers named in Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3, and which ones?
VII. "But I did not see another one of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother". (Gal. 1:19)
The James called Jesus's brother in Gal. 1:19 is also called an apostle in that same verse, and there's only two apostles named "James": James of Zebedee and James of Alphaeus. Therefore, how could this James be the sibling of Jesus?
VIII. "Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?" (1 Cor. 9:5)
What evidence do you have, if any, that shows the definition "a near kinsman, or relative" applies here; that the type of kinship that applies here is siblings; and that the brothers here were specifically some or all of Jesus's male brothers named in Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3, and which ones?
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BlessedPeace
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After this, He went down to Capernaum with His mother and brothers and His disciples, and they stayed there a few days.
John 2:12
Let's look at the Greek definition you provided.
A near kinsman or relative.
The English translation of the Greek is, brothers. Sibling is synonymous with brother.
Luke 8:19-22
Then Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him, but they were unable to reach Him because of the crowd.He was told, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to see You.”But answering, He said to them, "My mother and my brothers are those who are hearing and doing the word of God."
Those who spoke to Jesus recognized the presence of his mother and siblings outside. As did Jesus.
Because while Jesus said his mother and brothers are those who hear and do the will of God, as did his mother and siblings do the will of God,he also knew he had but one mother.
And therein imparted the analogy that we are all family when heeding and doing the word and will of our father.
I'll leave you to your preferred understanding on this matter.
God bless.
The word "ἀδελφός" (sing. adelphos; pl. ἀδελφοὶ adelphoi), or "brother" in English, has multiple definitions, e.g., "fellow-countryman", "disciple/follower", "one of the same faith", and "a near kinsman, or relative".
In every verse where the word ἀδελφοί" (pl. ἀδελφοὶ adelphoi) is used and you believe the definition "a near kinsman, or relative" applies, you need to show what type of kinship applies in each verse, because a kinsman/relative can be a sibling, cousin, nephew, or uncle, etc. Assuming that siblings is the type of kinship that applies in a verse isn't showing why it does. So, try again, and answer the questions under each section of verses I quoted in post #312, which is an opportunity for you to show why Jesus had siblings. Or, do you refuse to do that?
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BlessedPeace
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The Translation of Adelphos and Adelphoi
A study of the gender connotations of the Greek word adelphos
www.bible-researcher.com
As shown, the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός" (sing. adelphos; pl. ἀδελφοὶ adelphoi), translated to "brother" in English, has multiple definitions, e.g., "fellow-countryman", "disciple/follower", "one of the same faith", and "a near kinsman, or relative", etc.
In every verse where you believe the definition "a near kinsman, or relative" applies to the word "ἀδελφοί" (sing. adelphos; pl. ἀδελφοὶ adelphoi) in it, you need to show what type of kinship applies, because a kinsman/relative can be a sibling, cousin, nephew, or uncle, etc.
Assuming that siblings is the type of kinship that applies to the word in a verse isn't showing why it does. Therefore, try again, and answer the questions under each section of verses I quoted in post #312, which is an opportunity for you to show why Jesus had siblings. Or, do you refuse to do that?
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atpollard
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They were not analogies. They were two verses that used the exact same word (”til/until” in English and “ἕως” in Greek) that were comparing the meaning of the WORD (until/ἕως) to demonstrate that conclusions were being drawn from the word that could not be supported by the actual passage as written.
Correcting eisegesis* is not a work best left to children (contrary to your hermeneutical yardstick).
* eisegesis = reading into scripture what is not there.
Rella ~ I am a woman
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The trouble is .... many disagree on what falsehoods are.
So why did God expose some to one group and some to another on and then yet again... and on and on and on
God doesn't do that, people choose what to believe and/or teach. The trouble is what prevents the Holy Spirit from enlightening us on what's Truth is our own selves at times. Take this topic of Jesus's siblings for example, I present my case, but because I'm Catholic, I automatically must be wrong, and therefore I'm not really heard. A person merely having an anti-Catholic attitude in general is already uncharitable, but to bring it into a discussion board like this one just makes discussion fruitless and frustrating.
David in NJ
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#1 - You are automatically wrong because God's word says your wrong.
#2 - God also says your worship of Mary is wrong.
#3 - Starting a religion and attaching idolatry to Christ is very, very wrong.
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