False Teaching: Mary died a virgin. Biblical Proof Mary had children.

[Zao is life]

Matthew 1:25 does not actually SAY that Joseph KNEW Mary ... Matthew emphasizes the VIRGIN BIRTH by SAYING that Joseph DID NOT KNOW MARY before Jesus was born.

Go and exegete Matthew 12:20 with your same rules and tell me if the REED MUST BE BROKEN after victory?

While I agree that Mary and Joseph likely consummated their marriage AFTER Jesus was born, the word "til" cannot be used to definitively proclaim that the situation changed after Jesus was born (in either the Greek or in English). I offer another verse from the same Gospel for your consideration with the word "TIL" ...

[Matthew 12:20 KJV] "A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory."

These must be the most dumb analogies I've ever seen anyone attempt to make. Nothing could be more obvious that the two things you quoted have absolutely nothing to do with one another. Totally, completely different subjects. A child would look up and say "Huh?"

 

[Sigma]

Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Jesus is right.


So, your mom conceived you with someone, and thus is your biological mom, yes?

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus is right.


So, your mom conceived you with someone, and thus is your biological mom, yes?

Does God have a biological mother?

If Yes, how so?

 

[Sigma]

Does God have a biological mother?

If Yes, how so?

You can't even admit your mom is your biological mom. That's how prideful you are.

 

[David in NJ]

You can't even admit your mom is your biological mom. That's how prideful you are.

There is no point to your question since it is a well established fact of creation.

You are attempting to connect our biological existence to the Word that became flesh.
You are seeking to assertain that Mary is 'the mother of God' simply because JESUS came out of her.

There is no biological basis that Mary is 'the mother of God' since JESUS always existed with the FATHER.

The Word that became flesh came into this world when a physical body was formed in Mary's womb for Him.

This is recorded for us in Hebrews chapter 10 - read it.

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Mary was the biological mother of the body God prepared for His Son to come to earth from HEAVEN, where HE was since Eternity and thousands of years before Mary ever existed.

 

[Sigma]

There is no point to your question since it is a well established fact of creation.

You are attempting to connect our biological existence to the Word that became flesh.
You are seeking to assertain that Mary is 'the mother of God' simply because JESUS came out of her.

There is no biological basis that Mary is 'the mother of God' since JESUS always existed with the FATHER.

The Word that became flesh came into this world when a physical body was formed in Mary's womb for Him.

This is recorded for us in Hebrews chapter 10 - read it.

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Mary was the biological mother of the body God prepared for His Son to come to earth from HEAVEN, where HE was since Eternity and thousands of years before Mary ever existed.

You going to tell your mom you refuse to acknowledge her as your biological mom in public?

 

[David in NJ]

You going to tell your mom you refuse to acknowledge her as your biological mom in public?

Matthew 12 : 46-50
While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him.
Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”

But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

 

[Sigma]

Matthew 12 :46
While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him.
Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”

The word used in Matt. 12:46/Lk. 8:19-20 is "adelphoi" (sing. adelphos; pl. ἀδελφοὶ adelphoi), or "brothers" in English, and it has multiple definitions, e.g., "fellow-countryman", "disciple/follower", "one of the same faith", and "near kinsman, or relative", etc. We agree its definition "near kinsman, or relative" applies in Matt. 12:46/Lk. 8:19-20, but a kinsman can be a sibling, cousin, nephew, or uncle, etc., and the word itself doesn't indicate which type of kinship applies. You assume the type of kinship that applies in Matt. 12:46/Lk. 8:19-20/Lk. 8:19-20 is siblings, you assume Jesus's brothers Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) in Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3 were His siblings, you assume the aforementioned four were the brothers in Matt. 12:46/Lk. 8:19-20, despite those verses giving zero indication of that, nor of how many brothers arrived.

 

[David in NJ]

The word used in Matt. 12:46/Lk. 8:19-20 is "adelphoi" (sing. adelphos; pl. ἀδελφοὶ adelphoi), or "brothers" in English, and it has multiple definitions, e.g., "fellow-countryman", "disciple/follower", "one of the same faith", and "near kinsman, or relative", etc. We agree its definition "near kinsman, or relative" applies in Matt. 12:46/Lk. 8:19-20, but a kinsman can be a sibling, cousin, nephew, or uncle, etc., and the word itself doesn't indicate which type of kinship applies. You assume the type of kinship that applies in Matt. 12:46/Lk. 8:19-20/Lk. 8:19-20 is siblings, you assume Jesus's brothers Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) in Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3 were His siblings, you assume the aforementioned four were the brothers in Matt. 12:46/Lk. 8:19-20, despite those verses giving zero indication of that, nor of how many brothers arrived.

You are missing the MAIN Truth that the LORD Jesus Christ is saying to you in Matthew 12:46

Please begin your search for Truth tonight.

Begin reading the Gospel of John or Matthew but before you do, follow this instruction from the Lord = Matthew 6:5-7

 

[Sigma]

Please begin your search for Truth tonight.

I've shown you the Truth. Let him that hears, hear, and him that disobeys, disobey.

 

[David in NJ]

I've shown you the Truth. Let him that hears, hear, and him that disobeys, disobey.

Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him = By this we know that we are in Him.
He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

 

[Sigma]

Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him = By this we know that we are in Him.
He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

I'm glad we agree with what Jesus said.

 

[David in NJ]

I'm glad we agree with what Jesus said.

If you agreed with JESUS you would not be praying/worshipping/adoring idols.

Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3all ate the same spiritual food, 4and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

6Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” 8Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9nor let us [a]tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

 

[Sigma]

If you agreed with JESUS you would not be praying/worshipping/adoring idols.

I do agree which is why I don't pray, worship and adore idols. It's good neither of us do.

 

[David in NJ]

I do agree which is why I don't pray, worship and adore idols. It's good neither of us do.

You are following deception.

You pray the rosaries = this is a direct disobedient willful act against the words of Christ

You have statues of Mary and others = another direct disobedient willful act

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

 

[Sigma]

You are following deception.

You pray the rosaries = this is a direct disobedient willful act against the words of Christ

You have statues of Mary and others = another direct disobedient willful act

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

You should go learn what the Catholic Church actually teaches. Or, do you choose to remain willfully ignorant?

 

[David in NJ]

You should go learn what the Catholic Church actually teaches. Or, do you choose to remain willfully ignorant?

Once AGAIN for you -
i KNOW what catholicism teaches for i was catholic: conceived by practicing catholic parents, baptized, educated in catholic school, confirmed, practiced confessional to a catholic priest(Monsignor Hayes - now dead), received the eucharist, gave willingly, attended Sunday services each week, prayed for dead relatives, prayed to Mary, prayed the rosaries, prayed to the Saints, received Ashes on my forehead/Ash Wednesday, Christmas, Easter and more!

 

[Sigma]

i KNOW what catholicism teaches..

I know you think you do, but you don't though, so unless you choose to learn what the Catholic Church actually teaches, you're choosing to remain willfully ignorant.

 

[David in NJ]

I know you think you do, but you don't though, so unless you choose to learn what the Catholic Church actually teaches, you're choosing to remain willfully ignorant.

Unless you repent of idolatry and surrender your entire heart, mind, soul and strength to the LORD Jesus Christ and obey His commandments, you will die in your sins.

He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and [manifest Myself to him.”

22Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”

23Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

 

[Sigma]

Unless you repent of idolatry and surrender your entire heart, mind, soul and strength to the LORD Jesus Christ and obey His commandments, you will die in your sins.

He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and [manifest Myself to him.”

22Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”

23Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

Unless you choose to learn what the Catholic Church actually teaches, you're choosing to remain willfully ignorant.