False Teaching: Mary died a virgin. Biblical Proof Mary had children.

[Sigma]

Did Mary produce Jesus or did Jesus produce Mary?

Did Jesus conceive and carry Mary for 9 months or did Mary conceive and carry Jesus for 9 months?

Purgatory does not exist.

You currently don't agree Purgatory exists, but it does.

You cannot pray for the dead - this also is 'unholy' and forbidden by God.

"It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins." (2 Maccabees 12:46)

 

[David in NJ]

Did Jesus carry conceive and carry Jesus for 9 months or did Mary conceive and carry Jesus for 9 months?



You currently don't agree it does, but it does.



"It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins." (2 Maccabees 12:46)

Hebrews 10:5
Therefore, when He/Jesus came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me. = (no mention of Mary here)
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2He was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made(Mary was created by the Word/Jesus)
4In Him was life, and the life was the light of men(Mary recieved life and light from the Word/Jesus)
5And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

 

[Sigma]

Hebrews 10:5
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2He was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made(Mary was created by the Word/Jesus)
4In Him was life, and the life was the light of men(Mary recieved life and light from the Word/Jesus)
5And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

So, you think Mary didn't conceive, carry and give birth to Jesus, as the angel Gabriel said She was chosen to do?

 

[David in NJ]

So, you think Mary didn't conceive, carry and give birth to Jesus, as the angel Gabriel said She was chosen to do?

So, you think Mary didn't conceive, carry and give birth to Jesus, as the angel Gabriel said She was chosen to do?

There is no such thing as 'the mother of God'

the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT existed long before the earth and everything and everyone were created.

Hebrews 10:5
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me. = no mention of Mary here
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

34Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”

35And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

The WORD/JESUS came to earth when the Holy Spirit deposited JESUS into her womb = Gospel of John chapter 1

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

Start reading the Gospel of John tonight.

Good Night

 

[Sigma]

There is no such thing as 'the mother of God'

the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT existed long before the earth and everything and everyone were created.

Hebrews 10:5
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me. = no mention of Mary here
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

34Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”

35And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

The WORD/JESUS came to earth when the Holy Spirit deposited JESUS into her womb = Gospel of John chapter 1

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

Start reading the Gospel of John tonight.

Good Night

So, you don't believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus, and thus don't believe the angel Gabriel's words to Her: "Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus" (Lk. 1:31). Got it.

 

[David in NJ]

So, you don't believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus, and thus don't believe the angel Gabriel's words to Her: "Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus" (Lk. 1:31). Got it.

Post #244 has the absolute Truth

You replace the Truth with idols. In your case those idols are Mary, the rosary beads and statues = dead faith.

Just yesterday i had to move a 'graven image' of Mary from my neighbors yard in order to do some work.

 

[Sigma]

Post #245 has the absolute Truth

You replace the Truth with an idols. In your case those idols is Mary, the rosary beads and statues = dead faith.

Just yesterday i had to move a 'graven image' of Mary from my neighbors yard in order to do some work.

How come you deny what the angel Gabriel said to Mary: "Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus" (Lk. 1:31)?

 

[David in NJ]

How come you deny what the angel Gabriel said to Mary: "Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus" (Lk. 1:31)?

Why do you falsely accuse?

Absolute Truth is found in God's Word that i posted for you in Post #244

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

You currently don't agree Purgatory exists, but it does.

Purgatory is a process, not a place, pope says

VATICAN CITY -- Purgatory is like a purifying fire burning inside a person, a painful experience of regret for one's sins, Pope Benedict XVI said."A soul stained by sin cannot present itself to God," the pope said Jan. 12 at his weekly general audience.

www.ncronline.org

Purgatory is a process, not a place, pope says​

January 12, 2011
VATICAN CITY -- Purgatory is like a purifying fire burning inside a person, a painful experience of regret for one's sins, Pope Benedict XVI said.

Now.... enter your current head. Pope Francis..... and color change with bolding is mine

Pope Francis has abolished hell, purgatory, heaven: papal confidant - CatholicCitizens.org

By Sandro Magister October 27, 2017 — In the important newspaper “la Repubblica” of which he is the founder, Eugenio Scalfari, an undisputed authority of Italian secular thought, last October […]

catholiccitizens.org

Pope Francis has abolished hell, purgatory, heaven: papal confidant​

10/29/2017 at 5:29 PM Posted by Mary Anne Hackett

By Sandro Magister
October 27, 2017 — In the important newspaper “la Repubblica” of which he is the founder, Eugenio Scalfari, an undisputed authority of Italian secular thought, last October 9 returned to speaking in the following terms about what he sees as a “revolution” of this pontificate, in comments by Francis that are derived from his frequents conversations with him:
“Pope Francis has abolished the places where souls were supposed to go after death: hell, purgatory, heaven. The idea he holds is that souls dominated by evil and unrepentant cease to exist, while those that have been redeemed from evil will be taken up into beatitude, contemplating God.”

Observing immediately afterward:

“The universal judgment that is in the tradition of the Church therefore becomes devoid of meaning. It remains a simple pretext that has given rise to splendid paintings in the history of art. Nothing other than this.”

It is seriously doubtful that Pope Francis really wants to get rid of the “last things” in the terms described by Scalfari.

There is in his preaching, however, something that tends toward a practical overshadowing of the final judgment and of the opposite destinies of blessed and damned.

On Wednesday, October 11, at the general audience in Saint Peter’s Square, Francis said that such a judgment is not to be feared, because “at the end of our history there is the merciful Jesus,” and therefore “everything will be saved. Everything.”

In the text distributed to the journalists accredited to the Holy See, this last word, “everything,” was emphasized in boldface.

At another general audience a few months ago, on Wednesday, August 23, Francis gave for the end of history an image that is entirely and only comforting: that of “an immense tent, where God will welcome all mankind so as to dwell with them definitively.”

An image that is not his own but is taken from chapter 21 of Revelation, but from which Francis was careful not to cite the following words of Jesus:

“The victor will inherit these gifts, and I shall be his God, and he will be my son. But as for cowards, the unfaithful, the depraved, murderers, the unchaste, sorcerers, idol-worshipers, and deceivers of every sort, their lot is in the burning pool of fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

NOW as the above article is copyrighted under accepted reposting of such a portion only have I copied.

All would find it educational to read in its entirety at the provided link.

And further is the same here, just different source: Papal confidant claims Pope Francis has abolished hell, purgatory, heaven - LifeSite

HOWEVER.... If these two popes are wrong there still is a way to avoid purgatory. INDULGENCES

Plenary Indulgences - General Conditions | EWTN

EWTN is a global, Catholic Television, Catholic Radio, and Catholic News Network that provides catholic programming and news coverage from around the world.

www.ewtn.com

1. This is how an indulgence is defined in the Code of Canon Law (can. 992) and in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (n. 1471): "An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints".
2. In general, the gaining of indulgences requires certain prescribed conditions (below, nn. 3, 4), and the performance of certain prescribed works ..... [in this case, those granted for the Feast of Mercy]
3. To gain indulgences, whether plenary or partial, it is necessary that the faithful be in the state of grace at least at the time the indulgenced work is completed. [i.e. one must be a Catholic, not excommunicated or in schism.]

and it goes on, but take note of #7

Also:

Are Indulgences Still Sold? | Tabletalk

People assume (as I once did) that since Martin Luther (1483–1546) first protested the abuse of indulgences, in 1517, that Rome must have been shamed into ending the practice. She was not. The sale of indulgences continues.

tabletalkmagazine.com

This link has an absolutely educational value for explaining Indulgences.... HOWEVER....

Enter in the naysayers such as John Calvin... which is quoted here, if you dont make it all the way
down in the article.

The conditions of receiving this Plenary Indulgence from purgatory are “a spirit detached from any sin,” “join[ing] spiritually through the media in the celebration of Holy Mass, the recitation of the Holy Rosary,” the “pious exercise of the Way of the Cross,” “or if they will at least recite the [Apostles’] Creed, the Lord’s Prayer and a pious invocation to the Blessed Virgin Mary.”

John Calvin called the Roman system of indulgences a “Satanic mockery” intended to lead people away from Christ. It has had that effect. Any system that has Christians satisfying for their own sins denies Christ. As we say in the Heidelberg Catechism and the Belgic Confession, either Christ is the Savior or He is no Savior at all.

The issues that prompted the Reformation remain live issues. The Roman communion still confesses justification by grace and cooperation with grace, including the purchasing of indulgences. The Reformation objection that making good works instrumental in our justification is a denial of Christ still holds. This is why the sola—the “alone”—in sola fide and sola gratia remains so important. Justification is not by faith and grace plus something else; it is by grace alone (sola gratia) through faith alone (sola fide).

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

So, you don't believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus, and thus don't believe the angel Gabriel's words to Her: "Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus" (Lk. 1:31). Got it.

Mary was the biological Mother of the son of God. When the second person of the Godhead/Trinity came to earth for those who will be ultimately saved.

God is comprised of God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit. 3 distinct make up the whole. Each with their.....hmmmm... how can I say this ..... ??? .... own roles/jobs.

Mary is the mother of the Son of God. She is not the mother of the Holy Spirit nor is she the mother of God the Father... though many do try to equate her with equal standing as her son..... SHE IS NOT

 

[Sigma]

Mary was the biological Mother of the son of God. When the second person of the Godhead/Trinity came to earth for those who will be ultimately saved.

God is comprised of God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit. 3 distinct make up the whole. Each with their.....hmmmm... how can I say this ..... ??? .... own roles/jobs.

Mary is the mother of the Son of God. She is not the mother of the Holy Spirit nor is she the mother of God the Father... though many do try to equate her with equal standing as her son..... SHE IS NOT

Tell that to the people who believe Mary isnt the biological Mother of Jesus. I already know She is, I also already believe in the Trinity, which you should've known

 

[Sigma]

Why do you falsely accuse?

So, you believe the angel Gabriels words, and thus believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus?

 

[David in NJ]

So, you believe the angel Gabriels words, and thus believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus?

According to God's Word, Mary was created by the Word so that she could be the vessel of honor by which the Holy Spirit
placed the Word in her womb to fulfill God's Word.

a.) Isaiah 7:14 - "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel."

b.) Luke 1:35 - And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

c.) Luke 1:46-50
And Mary said:
“My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me,
And holy is His name.
And His mercy is on those who fear Him
From generation to generation.

d.) Luke 1:67 -
“Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
And has raised up a horn of Salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,

e.) John 1:14 -
And the Word became flesh(JESUS) and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,
full of grace and truth.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Tell that to the people who believe Mary isnt the biological Mother of Jesus. I already know She is, I also already believe in the Trinity, which you should've known

Not everyone who reads this will be a Trinity believer.

As to those who do not believe Mary was His biological mother... perhaps they can tell us who was?

He did not hatch from an egg.

 

[David in NJ]

So, you believe the angel Gabriels words, and thus believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus?

Mary was the biological recipient of = “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Mary did not create JESUS.

The WORD was placed inside Mary by the Holy Spirit and she became the biological mother of = Hebrews 10:5

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.

The Absolute Truth is in this Post along with Post #253

 

[amigo de christo]

It does not matter whether you pray it rapidly or slowly = God ignores it.

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." - Hebrews 11:6

But on the day of the LORD , mark these words , IT WONT be ignored .
Many will holler , but in YOUR name , but in your NAME
BUT IT WAS IN THEIR LEADERS NAME and that is why THEY WILL GO UNDER the wrath of GOD .
Many teach the precepts of men , GONE WRONG , as though they be the DOCTRINE OF GOD and of CHRIST .
THAT WONT BODE WELL AT ALL ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT . AND that my friend , as i am sure you know , WONT BODE WELL
for those who did so and did not REPENT OF IT .

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

According to God's Word, Mary was created by the Word so that she could be the vessel of honor by which the Holy Spirit
placed the Word in her womb to fulfill God's Word.

a.) Isaiah 7:14 - "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel."

b.) Luke 1:35 - And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

c.) Luke 1:46-50
And Mary said:
“My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me,
And holy is His name.
And His mercy is on those who fear Him
From generation to generation.

d.) Luke 1:67 -
“Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
And has raised up a horn of Salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,

e.) John 1:14 -
And the Word became flesh(JESUS) and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,
full of grace and truth.

@David in NJ

I have read and reread what you posted here and there is nothing in what you posted that supports "God's Word, Mary was created by the Word"

The only thing I can figure is that since it was the Word who was in the beginning and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. That the same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Is this what you meant???

While this is a statement of truth, truly stated there is no where that states the Word created Mary for ANY purpose.... she was chosen.

The Word, as second part of the Trinity, Along with God the Father and the Holy Spirit who make up the godhead... IOW "Who we call God" it was God who chose Mary...

Based on Mary's life and circumstances that were so arranged that she would fulfill all of the prophecies necessary to the birth of the Messiah. Very few people could have fulfilled all of these requirements to be the mother of the Messiah.

Mary was chosen because of her lineage. Mary’s lineage directly traced back through David, Judah, and Jacob (Luke 3:23-38). The Savior had to be born in the right lineage, to which Mary perfectly fit the requirements. In otherwards... SHE HAD THE RIGHT PEDIGREE.

 

[Sigma]

Mary was the biological recipient of = “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

The angel Gabriel said Mary would conceive a child. Your mom conceived you, does that mean shes biologically your mom?

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ

I have read and reread what you posted here and there is nothing in what you posted that supports "God's Word, Mary was created by the Word"

The only thing I can figure is that since it was the Word who was in the beginning and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. That the same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Is this what you meant???

While this is a statement of truth, truly stated there is no where that states the Word created Mary for ANY purpose.... she was chosen.

The Word, as second part of the Trinity, Along with God the Father and the Holy Spirit who make up the godhead... IOW "Who we call God" it was God who chose Mary...

Based on Mary's life and circumstances that were so arranged that she would fulfill all of the prophecies necessary to the birth of the Messiah. Very few people could have fulfilled all of these requirements to be the mother of the Messiah.

Mary was chosen because of her lineage. Mary’s lineage directly traced back through David, Judah, and Jacob (Luke 3:23-38). The Savior had to be born in the right lineage, to which Mary perfectly fit the requirements. In otherwards... SHE HAD THE RIGHT PEDIGREE.

@Rella asks: Is this what you meant??? "The only thing I can figure is that since it was the Word who was in the beginning and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. That the same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."


ABSOLUTELY

Furthermore = "without him was not any thing made that was made" = this includes you and me

Furthermore 2 = "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

Furthermore 3 = JEREMIAH'S existence = Jeremiah 1:4
Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying:
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”

Study Genesis = Chickens BEFORE eggs

 

[David in NJ]

The angel Gabriel said Mary would conceive a child. Your mom conceived you, does that mean shes biologically your mom?

My mother never conceived me on her own or of her own power.

My mother NEEDED my father = study Genesis = Chickens BEFORE eggs