Ezekiel is a true prophet of God: Animal sacrifices will be in Christ's Millennium

[WPM]

Unfortunately, not many Christians like to have their favorite ideas about the Bible being challenged so simple and plainly.

You are the prime example of that. When your error is exposed (which is frequently) you resort to insults and ad hominem.

 

[robert derrick]

Where does it say that ‘He taketh away the second, that he may re-establish the first’?

More typical mistating teachings of Scripture and others, to make it look impossible.

It doesn't, nor is it necessary to do so.

He brings back in what was done away, to accompany the second.

Including outward circumcision for His natural priesthood of saved Hebrews and Jews.

The thought is preposterous and erroneous to repeated New Testament Scripture.

Exactly, which is your purpose, for being the one to suggest something so preposterous, as the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ being ever done away with.

The Lamb will be preaching His gospel forever by His resurrected immortal body, always now having the marks of His crucifixion.

The only ones with unmarred immortal bodies, will be the faithful angels and resurrected saints.

Paul spoke of the marks of His body as proof of His apostleship, and Jesus will have them as proof of His eternal sacrifice, lest nations on the new earth forget.

There is nowhere in the NT that it says Paul performed sin offerings.

Of course not. Only you suggest it. I've never heard anyone else saying so.

Once again, the dishonesty of them without proof of their argument, must turn to lying about the arguments they oppose, because they refuse to be corrected in any manner.

efficacy

Nice word. One thing's for sure. You've got all the theological scholar-speak down pat.

and legitimacy of the old covenant arrangement today or in the future and repeatedly showed that Christ was the final sacrifice for sin.

Lamb's one and only sacrifice for sins of the whole world, is His final sacrifice, not the end of all sacrifices.

He will be delighted with the burnt offerings for sin in His Millennial house and temple on earth.

This is accepted by multiple Postmil, Premil and Amil commentators.

I don't do consensus teaching, which usually results in men's traditions, rather than truth of Scripture.

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

The commandment to offer nor more sacrifices for sin to the Lord and King of Israel in His Millennium, is man's, not God's.

This is why those commanding it, never quote it simply from Scripture of God.

P.s. I am a Christian, not a 'mil' pill.

Your passion to see the reintroduction of additional sin offerings in this age

Is a lie. Par for your course again.

unscriptural and deeply disturbing.

You're deeply disturbed by much prophecy of Scripture. So very very disturbing.

The reason you are so upset, is because you are a proselytizer to your own camp, and it inflames you when you fail to bring anyone into it.

No doubt, you'd just love to have some of that fire of God come down now, and be rid of all your doctrinal adversaries.

Personally, I don't lose any sleep over this, because it's just about prophecy to me, not proselytizing. I enjoy seeing Scripture confirmed over and over again. I find God's power in His word, is the very fact that every false teaching can be so easily denounced, by one or two plain Scriptures.

Ezekiel was a true prophet. Because of your obsession with the old covenant and rejection of Christ's final sacrifice of sin,

I reject your final sacrifice, not the Lamb's one and only sacrifice.

I also reject your false prophecies about Scripture.

Your love for the Old and rejection of the New exposes the folly of your position.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Amils reject this error. They believe Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin. There will never again be a competing priesthood of rival sin offerings.

Your rival sacrifices are indeed false and against the gospel of the Lamb.

The King's sacrifices will accompany His gospel on earth, not instead of, as you falsely prophecy.

During the Lamb's Millennium on earth, His burnt offerings for sin, will not be against His one and only sacrifice to save sinners, to become sons of God.

No more than He being God the Son, is against the Father being God.

Your manner of teaching about the King's burnt offerings, is akin to them that demand there is opposition in the Godhead, by Jesus being God.

He will definitely not be blessing the pointless worthless sacrifice of innocent animals to reconcile or sanctify anyone in the future.

Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Yes, He will.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes, He will.

ha you speak as if you know, when you are actually must be on drugs?
i cant imagine how you got such a warped idea, esp from Ezekiel, which is let's admit way OT

fwiw if you had qualified your statements of Absolute Truth in the least i would not have bothered to venture into this whoreson's section/thread, but since you did, you do not know what youre talking about, you do not know when the Millenium begins, and you as a current JW at the moment are about the very last person on earth who should be making unqualified proclamations about the Bible

 

[WPM]

More typical mistating teachings of Scripture and others, to make it look impossible.

It doesn't, nor is it necessary to do so.

He brings back in what was done away, to accompany the second.

Including outward circumcision for His natural priesthood of saved Hebrews and Jews.




Exactly, which is your purpose, for being the one to suggest something so preposterous, as the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ being ever done away with.

The Lamb will be preaching His gospel forever by His resurrected immortal body, always now having the marks of His crucifixion.

The only ones with unmarred immortal bodies, will be the faithful angels and resurrected saints.

Paul spoke of the marks of His body as proof of His apostleship, and Jesus will have them as proof of His eternal sacrifice, lest nations on the new earth forget.


Of course not. Only you suggest it. I've never heard anyone else saying so.

Once again, the dishonesty of them without proof of their argument, must turn to lying about the arguments they oppose, because they refuse to be corrected in any manner.


Nice word. One thing's for sure. You've got all the theological scholar-speak down pat.


Lamb's one and only sacrifice for sins of the whole world, is His final sacrifice, not the end of all sacrifices.

He will be delighted with the burnt offerings for sin in His Millennial house and temple on earth.


I don't do consensus teaching, which usually results in men's traditions, rather than truth of Scripture.

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

The commandment to offer nor more sacrifices for sin to the Lord and King of Israel in His Millennium, is man's, not God's.

This is why those commanding it, never quote it simply from Scripture of God.

P.s. I am a Christian, not a 'mil' pill.


Is a lie. Par for your course again.



You're deeply disturbed by much prophecy of Scripture. So very very disturbing.

The reason you are so upset, is because you are a proselytizer to your own camp, and it inflames you when you fail to bring anyone into it.

No doubt, you'd just love to have some of that fire of God come down now, and be rid of all your doctrinal adversaries.

Personally, I don't lose any sleep over this, because it's just about prophecy to me, not proselytizing. I enjoy seeing Scripture confirmed over and over again. I find God's power in His word, is the very fact that every false teaching can be so easily denounced, by one or two plain Scriptures.


I reject your final sacrifice, not the Lamb's one and only sacrifice.

I also reject your false prophecies about Scripture.






And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Your rival sacrifices are indeed false and against the gospel of the Lamb.

The King's sacrifices will accompany His gospel on earth, not instead of, as you falsely prophecy.

During the Lamb's Millennium on earth, His burnt offerings for sin, will not be against His one and only sacrifice to save sinners, to become sons of God.

No more than He being God the Son, is against the Father being God.

Your manner of teaching about the King's burnt offerings, is akin to them that demand there is opposition in the Godhead, by Jesus being God.



Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Yes, He will.

Whose sins do youl think the Zadok priesthood need to make “sacrifices for” and what sinner needs additional intercession in the millennium in light of the presence of Jesus Christ – man’s only high priest and the ultimate and final sin-bearer and intercede? Was Christ’s sin offering not enough? Is His intercession not sufficient for His elect?

 

[WPM]

Lamb's one and only sacrifice for sins of the whole world, is His final sacrifice, not the end of all sacrifices.

He will be delighted with the burnt offerings for sin in His Millennial house and temple on earth.

When Jesus died on the cross He instituted the new covenant which allowed the believer to access God directly. No longer would the bulk of God’s people be excluded from the presence of the Lord by a veil. No longer did they need an earthly priest to represent them before God. They were now free to approach Him personally by simple faith. Christ removed the partition between God and His people when He laid down His life for our sins. He became man’s final high priest.

The curtain between the believer and God was eternally torn apart. The separation was removed. Matthew 27:51 says, “And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent.” This veil was representative of Christ’s physical body. It was torn apart in order to secure eternal redemption for God’s people. It is only through Jesus that we can approach God. The way to salvation can only be found in Jesus.

For what purpose would we need a third temple? Christ is the realization of the shadow, symbol, and type. He is the ultimate fulfillment. He is the eternal temple. Is He not enough? Is He not acceptable enough? Do you need something greater?

Hebrews 10:14-20 then affirms, “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.”

Many Premils say there are more offerings for sin in the millennium, presenting the old covenant passages of Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 19, 21, 22, 25, 44:27, 29, 45:17, 19, 22, 23, 25, 46:20 as supposed evidence.

Hebrews 10:26 says, “there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.”

It is both alarming and sad how many (that sincerely profess Christ) champion the re-starting of rival sin offerings in the future to compete with Calvary when Christ fulfilled and eternally removed them at the cross. Most of this error has emanated from false teaching of men that should know better. The fact is, the New Testament totally forbids the resurrection of the old covenant including the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem, the restarting of the abolished animal sacrifices, and the resuming of earthly high priest’s office, as part of a God-ordained arrangement. Their expectation to return to the Old Testament type, shadow and figure is gravely misplaced.

It is as if Christ’s perfect life, atoning death and glorious resurrection are not enough for Premils; not perfect enough, not satisfactory enough, and not final enough.

Christ is man's only substitute for sin. Why would we need other substitutes for sin? Surely this is a serious assault upon the merits and value of the atonement. Premillennialism demeans the work Christ did on the cross . It anticipates countless competing substitutes on the new earth with Christ in the midst in all His glory practising rejected old covenant sin offerings.

There will be no need for animal sacrifices, human priests, and a physical temple – because Christ will be all in all on the new earth. Christ is the final covering for sin. He is the fulfilment of every sin offering. There is therefore absolutely no biblical warrant for resurrecting the old covenant Judaic sacrificial system outside of rebelling against the fact that Christ is the one eternal sacrifice for sin. This is a very serious matter. Christ has made that final satisfactory sacrifice for sin. The old ordinances were nailed to the tree with Christ. The old covenant was removed with the introduction of the new, yet Premils insist on the re-starting of these abolished sacrifices.

The shedding of His blood satisfied the Father and reconciled the sinner to God, securing eternal redemption (1 John 1:7). By attempting to reintroduce animal sacrifices, Premillennialism does great injury to the work of Christ on the cross, undoes the once all-sufficient sacrifice that Christ made for sin, undermines the eternal nature of the atonement, and disregards numerous New Testament passages that conclusively prove that Christ’s blood sacrifice was final and eternal. The Old Testament system that employed animal sacrifices was nailed to the cross and blotted out according to the New Testament.

 

[robert derrick]

I appreciate your willingness to respond.

Because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness (Hebrews 9:22). What Scripture claims that the sacrifices were sinful?

Exactly the point. Neither will they be sinful in Christ's Millinium.

No one has given any Scripture showing all animal sacrifices to the Lord, are now and forever sinful and/or blasphemous against the Lamb.

They are unnecessary now, just as with circumcision and obeying the Law of Moses, but not sinful.

I would also say say inexpedient and damaging to the weak of conscience, and therefore would not participate in the making of any temple made for them, even if as unto the Lord.

However, they will be made necessary again and a blessing in the Prince's house and temple, along with outward circumcision for His natural priests, yearly feast of tabernacles, etc...

It declares that they were taken away (Hebrews 10:9).

True. Does not say forever.

Christ's offering of His body is once and forever, but not the last sacrifices unto God forever.

Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

If you say this will never come to pass, then you call it false prophecy. If you can show it has already come to pass, then do so. But that will be with the Prince's glory sitting in His house with His holy things and priesthood.

Did God not have the right to determine and impose His judgment?

Beginning with Lucifer, in the garden, now, in His Millennium, and forever on the new earth.

True. Because Christ was Himself the atonement at Calvary. For all time.

For forgiveness and remission of sins, and purifying of the soul and conscience. Yes.

Animal sacrifices can never do doubt, did not do that by law of Moses. and will not do that in the Lamb's Millennium.

If inspired Scripture is tradition, then that is the kind of tradition of which I need much more.

If the tradition is from Scripture only.

Outlawing all animal sacrifices to the true God, is man's commandment and Christian tradition only.

Unless you have Scripture saying so.

There is no Scriptural provision for the reversal of that process. The Second Sacrifice can never be taken away and replaced with the first sacrifices.

Which no one is suggesting here, other than yourself.

The first will then accompany the second in His Millennium.

It is an unqualified once for all. Once for all time, once for all people, once for all sacrifices.

Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Scripture says for all time and all people. You add all sacrifices.

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Only the sacrifice of the Lamb forgive, purify, and sanctify with a pure heart and spirit unto God.

The daily sacrifices for sin of the people in His Millinium do not.

The scholar Paul was intimately familiar with what Ezekiel had said, and Paul knew that the taking away of the first sacrifices included those of which Ezekiel spoke.

Paul did not take away and disanull part of Ezekiel's prophecy, and so make them false.

You do.

Taken away "once for all", never to reappear.

So you say and add your own words to Scripture.

That is Scripture's last word regarding animal sacrifices.

It's your last word on teaching of your own.

There is no word following the last word.

Correct. You declare part of prophecy in Ezekiel to be never coming to pass, and so false.

I don't.

There are two things not done on this thread, that are necessary to invalidate Ezekiel's prophecy of animal sacrifices in Christ Millennial house:

1. Give the commandment of Scripture declaring all animals sacrifices to God, are forever sin and trespass against the Lamb of God.

2. Acknowledge any prophecy of Scripture not coming to pass as written, makes it false prophecy of a false prophet.

Several attempts have been made to make that commandment out of other Scripture, without providing Scripture saying so. Commandments and law of God are not 'hinted' at, but plainly spoken, beginning with thou shalt not eat of it.

No one has so much as even acknowledged the rule of prophecy in Scripture, that any prophecy not coming to pass as stated, is false.

You make parts of prophecy in Ezekiel false, because your own theological sentiments on animal sacrifices rejects it, and so you say they will not come to pass.

It's all pretty simple, which is why arguing around these two things, is just keeping one's own tradition about prophecy of Scripture, rather than believing all prophecy of Scripture as written.

You've been most reasonable; however, until you at least acknowledge prophecy not coming to pass, is false prophecy, then there is no reasonable argument to be made for doing it to Ezekiel.

 

[WPM]

No one has given any Scripture showing all animal sacrifices to the Lord, are now and forever sinful and/or blasphemous against the Lamb.

Not true. Quite the opposite. The reader can look back and see how you have ducked around every NT Scripture presented that forbids your error. You reject NT truth, explaining it away with your misrepresentation of Ezekiel's prophecy. Significantly, you cannot point us to one single reference in Ezekiel 40-48 to some imaginary future millennium, or even the age to come. That is because it refers to the old covenant arrangement. Hello! They will see that you reject Christ's final sacrifice for sin and are obsessed with reintroducing the old covenant ceremonial system. Amils reject this error. They believe Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin. There will never again be a competing priesthood of rival sin offerings.

Where do you get this teaching in the New Testament? Why are premillennialist so fixated with taking us back to the old covenant? Do you not know that this has been abolished? Is Jesus Christ not enough for you? Is the cross not enough for you? Was the shedding of his blood not efficacious enough for you? He is certainly enough for those who are genuinely redeemed. He is enough for we Amils. They will not need mass blood-letting of countless innocent animals in the world to come to satisfy your misguided religious wants. That is ridiculous. Amils believe that the lion and the lamb will be at eternal rest in the age to come.

 

[covenantee]

Paul did not take away and disanull part of Ezekiel's prophecy, and so make them false.

You do.

When Paul said in Hebrews 10:9 "He taketh away the first", who is He, and what did He take away?

The first will then accompany the second in His Millennium.

Absolutely not. Under the definition of a testament (which dates back to ancient Biblical times, and which is actually a will and testament (Hebrews 9:15-17), there cannot be two concurrently active testaments. A new testament unconditionally transcends an old testament. That is why the first (old testament animal sacrifices) were taken away, in order to establish the second (New Testament Christ Sacrifice). The first can never be reinstated. It never has, and never can, accompany the second. The New Testament cannot be violated.

Paul did not take away and disanull part of Ezekiel's prophecy, and so make them false.

When Paul said in Hebrews 10:9 "He taketh away the first", what was taken away?

It's your last word on teaching of your own.

If you have a Scriptural last word more recent than Hebrews 10:9, please quote it.

Correct. You declare part of prophecy in Ezekiel to be never coming to pass, and so false.

That is what Paul declared that Christ did. Do you agree that Paul and Christ both knew what Ezekiel said?

 

[Truth7t7]

This is an interpretation of the prophecy, not a rejection of it as not coming to pass nor symbolic.

Whether the interpretation of the prophecy is true or not, being before the Millennium of Christ, does not make the Millennium untrue.

However, it does make the prophecy false, because it has not come to pass as prophesied:

1. Measurements were incorrect in the prophecy, if the 2nd temple is the fulfillment of the Prince's house.

2. The Prince did not enter into His house with His glory and sit among His holy things.

3. The priests drawing near to Him must be outwardly and inwardly circumcised, which can only be by the Spirit, in the circumcision of Christ.

4. No river of waters came from the house to heal the Dead Sea, because the Dead Sea is not healed.

If the 2nd temple is fulfillment of a prophecy of God, then it must be another prophecy, because it cannot be the Prince's house in Ezek 40-.

Unless Ezekiel's prophecy is false and not of God. If any part of prophecy is false, then all the prophecy is false.

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 was a prophecy, and it was fulfilled in 536BC in the Zerubabbel 2nd temple, read it again

Many Claim Ezekiel Chapters 40-46, Represents A Future Temple In A Millennium On Earth, Is This True?​

As clearly shown, Ezekiel Chapter 43 showed the temple "Pattern" to the House of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity let "Them" measure, Ezekiel was instructed to write the ordinances and law in "Their" sight, that "They" keep them, not some future generation as many "Falsely" claim

The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, where animal sacrifice for "Sin" was was instructed by "God", prior to the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, don't be deceived

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-21KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.

 

[Keraz]

Would you please correct this biblical reference that does not exist when I went looking for it.

My apologies; Ezekiel 45:20 You are to do the same, [make sacrifice in the Temple] on the seventh day of the month for a person who has sinned through inadvertence or ignorance. By this, you will make atonement for the Temple.

 

[Keraz]

How does the slaughter of the innocent glorify God in the age to come when Jesus has made the final sacrifice for sin?

How does the slaughter of the innocent glorify God in the age to come where the lion and the lamb are supposed to enjoy eternal bliss and perfect peace?

I do not know the answers to these issues,
I only know that Bible Prophecy says there will be a new Temple in the end times and the Lord's people will make sacrifices and offerings in it.
People who disagree with this are in disagreement with these scriptures:
Psalms 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favour to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar.

Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.

Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.

Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the new Temple.

Zechariah 14:21…all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……

Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.

The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period - before the Return of Jesus.

 

[Keraz]

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-21KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel,

Proof that this Prophecy of the construction of a new Temple did not apply to the Jewish return from Babylon, is that it is directed to the House of Israel, NOT to the House of Judah.

 

[Trekson]

All foretelling of Scripture is prophecy of Scripture.

It is prophecy of what is coming to pass by the word of the Lord.

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Good question. It is only false prophecy, by not coming to pass as prophesied.

Those who say it will not come to pass, or make it something that does not come to pass, because it is only symbol or high ideal, are making it false prophecy by personal theology.

However, when and how that prophecy comes to pass, can be interpretive arguments of believers. Making it not come to pass at all, is unbelief in that prophecy of scripture.



True.

In the fifth day of the month, which was the fifth year of king Jehoiachin's captivity. (Ezek 1:2)

This is not prophecy, but statement of historical fact.

Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. (Ezek 1:1)

Everything the prophets see in visions of God is prophecy of God, unless it does not come to pass, then it is false prophecy not of God.

In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south. (Ezek 40:2)

If the visions seen by Ezekiel from 40:1- are not prophecy of God, then neither are they prophecy of God from 1:1-, and there is no prophecy of God in Ezekiel at all.



It's true that we can falsely interpret prophecy of Scripture, but it's not possible to honestly misinterpret what is prophecy in Scripture.

Prophecy is foretelling in visions of God. Interpretation of the prophecy is seeking to understand what is being foretold.

And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.

And behold a wall on the outside of the house round about, and in the man's hand a measuring reed of six cubits long by the cubit and an hand breadth: so he measured the breadth of the building, one reed; and the height, one reed.

Then came he unto the gate which looketh toward the east, and went up the stairs thereof, and measured the threshold of the gate, which was one reed broad; and the other threshold of the gate, which was one reed broad.

This is specific foretelling prophecy, by what a prophet is made to see in the visions of God, and write down. If this kind of prophecy is rejected as not coming to pass and untrue, or is judged as symbol only, then there is no prophecy of Scripture in the Bible, that is to be believed as true or literal.

Conclusion: All prophecy of Scripture in the Bible can now be declared false, or only fables.

It's easier just to believe all Scripture as written, whether it be prophecy, history, or doctrine.


No, but Ezekiel is called a prophet of God, and he writes down foreseen visions of God in detail.

If Scripture must say something is prophecy, for it to be prophecy, then the only OT prophecy in Scripture is from the prophets Ahijah, Obed, Agur, Lemuel, Daniel, and Esias.

There is no other prophecy in Scripture called prophecy by Scripture. And Esias is only included, because Jesus said his words were prophecy.

Conclusion: All prophecy of Scripture is self-explanatory, and Scripture does not need to call it prophecy, for it to be prophecy of Scripture.

Foreseeing prophecy in Scripture, cannot honestly be confused with history and doctrine of Scripture.

Just saying, there are many prophecies that have already been fulfilled.

 

[Trekson]

Your words: "Everything the prophets see in visions of God is prophecy of God, unless it does not come to pass, then it is false prophecy not of God." You are making declarative statements about God that aren't true. You aren't allowing for the fact that God can change his mind or that there are prophecies that are conditional or than can be delayed for one reason or another. Do not overlook Jer. 18:5-10 - "Then the word of the LORD came to me: Can I not do with you, O house of Israel, just as this potter has done? says the LORD. Just like the clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. At one moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, but if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will change my mind about the disaster that I intended to bring on it. And at another moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, but if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will change my mind about the good that I had intended to do to it. Because God is the author of all prophecy, he is not bound to our weak understandings. Prophecies "do not" have to be fulfilled "exactly" as written because God can be flexible if it suits His will. WE do not have the final say, God does!

 

[WPM]

I do not know the answers to these issues,
I only know that Bible Prophecy says there will be a new Temple in the end times and the Lord's people will make sacrifices and offerings in it.
People who disagree with this are in disagreement with these scriptures:
Psalms 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favour to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar.

Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.

Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.

Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the new Temple.

Zechariah 14:21…all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……

Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.

The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period - before the Return of Jesus.

Of course, you have no answer to my simple questions because this cannot be found anywhere in the New Testament pages. You dump all your old covenant dreams into Revelation 20 where it does not belong. Talk about manipulating Scripture. Talk about making the Bible say what you want it to say. This circus will never appear in a future millennium because your future millennium is an illusion. It will never happen. We have been in Revelation 20 since the first resurrection of Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

Proof that this Prophecy of the construction of a new Temple did not apply to the Jewish return from Babylon, is that it is directed to the House of Israel, NOT to the House of Judah.

Your claims are silenced, God's words instructed men to offer animal sacrifice for sin atonement below, this is pre-cross of Calvary, where Jesus Christ being the Lamb of God, shed his blood once for the sins of man

"Bullock For Sin Offering" Pre-Calvary

Ezekiel 43:19-21KJV
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.

 

[Keraz]

I gave 5 proofs from the Bible, #71; that there will be a new Temple and sacrifices and offerings to God. will be made in it.
And there are more, to just ignore them is tantamount to the rejection of God's Word. Happy with that?

 

[Truth7t7]

I gave 5 proofs from the Bible, #71; that there will be a new Temple and sacrifices and offerings to God. will be made in it.
And there are more, to just ignore them is tantamount to the rejection of God's Word. Happy with that?

No there won't be animal sacrifices accepted by God in the future, Jesus Christ was the perfect sacrifice once and for all

The sci-fi movie is over, it's time to go home, the theatre is closed now

 

[robert derrick]

I gave 5 proofs from the Bible, #71; that there will be a new Temple and sacrifices and offerings to God. will be made in it.
And there are more, to just ignore them is tantamount to the rejection of God's Word. Happy with that?

Yes, they are. It's an established fact, that sincere Christians, when they have their pet traditions and prophetic theories tested and in need of correction, some of them refuse it, and would rather see prophecy of Scripture be overturned as false, rather than be corrected.

That's what this thread is all about as stated from the beginning:

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. (Deut 18)

The simple rule of prophecy given by God to His people, is that if any prophecy does not come to pass as prophesied, then it is proven false prophecy.

This especially includes written prophecy of Scripture: To disanull or change it from what it plainly says, into something else more spiritual, symbolic, or ideal to the reader, is to declare it false prophecy.

And as you suggest, it is rejecting God's word on a certain matter.

This is why Paul says after the first or second Scripture, that states something simple and plain, we are to stop trying to add more, just to convince someone. that has already rejected any such Scripture saying the same thing.

 

[robert derrick]

1. Is this blood sacrifice arrangement you promote under the old covenant, the new covenant or a new old covenant?
2. Please explain what these animal sacrifices accomplish in your future millennium?
3. Where in Revelation 20, anywhere in the NT or anywhere in the OT does it says that (1) God will re-institute the slaughtering of animals on the new earth, that (2) it will be for sin, that (3) it will start again in another dispensation (namely your alleged future millennium), and (4) that they "will look back"?

I no longer personally respond to those people, who have proven themselves useless to any argument, by phrasing questions dishonestly for effect, nor care what answers are given.

All they do is play the sophist's game of waiting a while and demanding the same answer again and again, just so they can publish their dishonest questions again and again.

He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?

In such cases, I'll quote and answer independently, rather than honor them with an honest personal response.