Explain Revelations So Even I Can Understand It

[Wynona]

This thread is already so fascinating!!

I have learned so much just by reading it.

 

[post]

Interesting post!

On this part above,

Revelation 19:19 KJV
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

This seems to be saying, to me, that they are intent on warring against Jesus Himself. I see some references in the Revelation that tell me the earth dwellers aren't entirely ignorant of what is happening.

Much love!

even while the Devil is chained, men hate God and fight against Him!
we don't have an excuse -- salvation cannot be by anything else but grace

 

[post]

In fact, if put to the test, I am confident I could reasonably summarize every book of Bible - except Revelations.

wow yet i am confident i could not give the depth or breadth of even a single verse of His amazing word no matter if i were given 50 years to do so

we have very different views of our own measure and of the profundity of scripture

 

[dad]

Nothing specific. Just a thumbnail sketch. For instance, I could some up Original Sin very succinctly and even the whole book of Genesis. No need for me to do it in this thread.

In fact, if put to the test, I am confident I could reasonably summarize every book of Bible - except Revelations.

I could give it a shot.

Revelation is a revealing of Jesus. Who He really is. What He thinks of various types of churches. How He will take over the world one day and what it will be like just before that. It also tells us about after He returns to rule forever, and what heaven is made of, looks like, and etc. Revelation is the icing on the cake of the bible. The grand finale. The last act.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Several times. You'll have to forgive me, but I'm in a playful mood, LoL. I figure you're smart enough to get me. :)

Awwwe c'mon.....lets get specific here.....are the literal nation of Israel in for a big lat minute reprieve, or have they done their dash?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Awwwe c'mon.....lets get specific here.....are the literal nation of Israel in for a big lat minute reprieve, or have they done their dash?

Go team!! They're gonna rally! Before when they didn't have a nation, they hardly had a horse in the race. Now they have one. It's a Jewish horse.

Ever saw the movie Life Is Beautiful? It's about a Jew who has to help his son survive the NAZI concentration camps, but he always looks on the bright side of life in even the darkest of circumstances. At one point he rides into a NAZI ballroom riding a horse to sweep away his sweetheart from her NAZI suitor, so to confuse them all that it's part of the festivities, he paints it green and writes "Acktung! Jewish Horse!!" on it.

See 1:17 on (but skip the first part. Too mushy, Lol). Pretty good movie. Worth a watch.

 

[Hidden In Him]

he paints it green and writes "Acktung! Jewish Horse!!" on it.

I have an all white dog. I wonder what he would look like if I painted him lime green.... but Halloween is over now.

Have I digressed too far afield from the subject at hand, or are we still on point?

 

[Keraz]

Revelation, the Book dictated to John by Jesus, does give a proper sequence of the end times events. With some asides of more details.
We are given an overview from God's perspective of 7 types of Church's. Note that each one has some Overcomers in them. The true, faithful people of God, His Israelites by faith. Proved by Galatians 3:26-29 & 6:14-16
Jesus is the Seed, the real Israel and we; His Christian followers are the inheritors of all the promises of God to Israel. Romans 8:16-18

Jesus opened the Seals, 1 to 5 and we have experienced all the wars, famines and plagues possible, without wiping out humankind completely. The 5th Seal proves it is open, by the souls of all the martyrs since Stephen, kept under the heavenly Altar.
But as the cosmic events described in the Sixth Seal, have not occurred yet, then this will be the next prophesied event. Proved by how Jesus stopped His quote of Isaiah 61, in the second verse, before:.... and a day of the vengeance of our Lord.

This world changing disaster, triggered by an attack onto Israel by the Islamic peoples, will set the stage for all that must happen before Jesus Returns.
All as described in Revelation and throughout the Bible, leading up to the 1000 year reign of King Jesus and then the final Judgement of everyone and then Eternity.


Those found worthy will receive immortality, but the outcome for those whose names are not found in the Book of Life; is annihilation.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Go team!! They're gonna rally! Before when they didn't have a nation, they hardly had a horse in the race. Now they have one. It's a Jewish horse.

You think?

I kinda think that they blew it....they counted on their lineage to Abraham to keep them in God's good books, (Matthew 3:7-10) but virtually from day one, as soon as God led them out of Egyptian slavery and they vowed to obey their God, but never lived up to their agreement. It got so bad that God actually wanted to "destroy" them. (Exodus 32:9-10) But God had a purpose in giving Abraham a promise to bless all the nations by one who would be produced in his family line....so he kept forgiving them until that seed arrived. He gave the Jews first option at becoming disciples of that Messiah but the nation as a whole, under the guidance of their religious leaders, made him out to be a fake and murdered him. Can you think of a reason why God would forgive them unless they repented....? Have they? (Matthew 23:37-39) Their history is appalling.....and it never ended well between them and God. So Acts 15:14 was implemented.....he replaced fleshly Israel with "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16)....Christians made up of both Jewish and Gentile disciples of Christ.

Ever saw the movie Life Is Beautiful? It's about a Jew who has to help his son survive the NAZI concentration camps

No, cant say that I am much of a movie buff......and I find the Bible more interesting and informative TBH.....

 

[Aunty Jane]

I have an all white dog. I wonder what he would look like if I painted him lime green.... but Halloween is over now.

Have I digressed too far afield from the subject at hand, or are we still on point?

 

[Hidden In Him]

No, cant say that I am much of a movie buff......and I find the Bible more interesting and informative TBH.....

Awww.. that's a shame, Lol. Some films are a blessing. I like his perspective on stuff, and his movies were generally pretty clean as I remember.

You think?

I kinda think that they blew it....they counted on their lineage to Abraham to keep them in God's good books, (Matthew 3:7-10) but virtually from day one, as soon as God led them out of Egyptian slavery and they vowed to obey their God, but never lived up to their agreement. It got so bad that God actually wanted to "destroy" them. (Exodus 32:9-10) But God had a purpose in giving Abraham a promise to bless all the nations by one who would be produced in his family line....so he kept forgiving them until that seed arrived. He gave the Jews first option at becoming disciples of that Messiah but the nation as a whole, under the guidance of their religious leaders, made him out to be a fake and murdered him. Can you think of a reason why God would forgive them unless they repented....? Have they? (Matthew 23:37-39) Their history is appalling.....and it never ended well between them and God. So Acts 15:14 was implemented.....he replaced fleshly Israel with "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16)....Christians made up of both Jewish and Gentile disciples of Christ.

Ok, back to my original question: If God has rejected them, why has He regathered them as a nation?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Ok, back to my original question: If God has rejected them, why has He regathered them as a nation?

So I'll get back to my original question.....when did he regather them?

 

[Brakelite]

Just read a thread about war in heaven via Rev 12:7. Though I read revelations 3x, I confess I cannot keep it in my head. I even read a book by a Rabbi who did an excellent analysis of connecting the many figurative passages.

The 1st time I read Revelations, I thought John must have been smoking something strong when he wrote it.

In the thread referenced above, several poster got into the phases of tribulation and that is not made clear to me from the text. Like Nostradamus predictions, passages are written so figuratively, they can be taken to mean nearly anything.

So, can anyone explain this book at a 4th grade level in just a short paragraph or two?

Various people over the centuries have written tomes on Revelation, most of them markedly different from each other in numerous aspects, and you ask for a few paragraphs lol?
You got a few paragraphs, more or less, and like the tomes of the past, they all differ, perhaps with the exception of those representing the evangelical world. Who woulda guessed. :)

 

[Hidden In Him]

So I'll get back to my original question.....when did he regather them?

May 14, 1948, for Heaven's sakes.

What is this, a trick question? Lol.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Various people over the centuries have written tomes on Revelation, most of them markedly different from each other in numerous aspects, and you ask for a few paragraphs lol?
You got a few paragraphs, more or less, and like the tomes of the past, they all differ, perhaps with the exception of those representing the evangelical world. Who woulda guessed. :)

I think the real challenge was to see who could actually keep it to a few paragraphs. When I was doing it, I was like, "Talk about the ultimate summation..."

Next challenge: Explain the meaning of life in five words or less.

 

[Aunty Jane]

May 14, 1948, for Heaven's sakes.

So, you believe the establishment of the State of Israel on May 14, 1948, was of God’s doing?

Jesus himself said that the Jews would be given 'no sign but that of Jonah', who was in a tomb for parts of three days. They had their sign when Jesus went into the grave and was then resurrected on the third day. Since this was the only sign that was to be given them, and it did not convert them, how can it be said that they will be given another sign which will do what this first one did not do?

What has Israel's history since that time demonstrated to you? Have they as a nation experienced God's blessing? Is their land a place of peace and security for this nation? Or is it a place of constant conflict?

Where is Israel's temple? What stands in its place? Where is God in Israel......? Are you blind?

In times past, when Israel actually obeyed their God (usually after an extended period of punishment) they experienced his peace and blessings. What do you see in the nation of Israel since 1948?

When Jesus said that their 'house was abandoned' or 'left desolate' by God, it was in advance of their final despicable act.

You tell me......

What is this, a trick question? Lol.

No, I was just waiting for you to actually say what I thought you meant....

 

[Hidden In Him]

Jesus himself said that the Jews would be given 'no sign but that of Jonah', who was in a tomb for parts of three days. They had their sign when Jesus went into the grave and was then resurrected on the third day. Since this was the only sign that was to be given them, and it did not convert them, how can it be said that they will be given another sign which will do what this first one did not do?

Given to them. :) Don't take the word out of its context. He was addressing the nation of Israel in His time, not ours. We didn't even exist yet.

What has Israel's history since that time demonstrated to you? Have they as a nation experienced God's blessing?

They turned a desert wasteland into a thriving nation.

Is their land a place of peace and security for this nation? Or is it a place of constant conflict?

You think Satan suddenly loves them now? LoL. Come on, this is no argument that God has not regathered them. If anything, it is PROOF God regathered them, because the Devil hates their guts and always has. NAZI Germany was not some accident. Whether many believe they are still God's chosen people or not, the ENEMY most certainly does. Why else would he have specially targeted them for extinction, just as he will do so again through the Muslims. Several Muslim leaders have called for the complete annihilation of the Jews. That is not a sign that the enemy regathered them, but that God did, and the enemy is just as filled with hatred towards them now as he has been since the days of the Assyrian campaign and the Babylonian captivity.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Where is Israel's temple? What stands in its place? Where is God in Israel......? Are you blind?

Since we are posting pictures, let me remind you that the Jews are the most oppressed people in history. Are you saying they deserved it?

 

[Brakelite]

Revelation. It's exactly that. If you allow scripture to interpret scripture, and avoid interpreting scripture by what you see, then it ceases to be a mystery. Good didn't have John present it in order to confuse. It's in the bible for the sole purpose of encouraging the church and offering His people confidence that regardless of what is going on all around them, like Israel in Goshen, they will remain safe.
We're most fall down is placing the book as a Revelation of times yet future to ourselves. It was future to John, and the timeline began in his day, and the book is written as a progression of history that has unfolded over the intervening centuries.
The symbols, the beasts, the major players in the drama are all explained elsewhere in scripture. Cleaving to that understanding, will go a long long way in explaining where they fit into the narrative. History itself is the best validation for the prophecies, and history does repeat, Satan does not have that much of an imagination, and it's our ignoring of history that gives rise to deception and trusting out own imaginations as to what could come.

PS that's not to say all of revelation can be assigned to history. We are in the last days, the very tippy toes of Daniels/Nebuchadnezzar's statue. Daniel and Revelation are like a hand in glove. You need to have an understanding first of Daniel to understand Revelation.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Since we are posting pictures, let me remind you that the Jews are the most oppressed people in history. Are you saying they deserved it?

Let me just answer that one in advance since I may need to get some sleep. I have seen fellow members here whose theology places the Jews entirely outside of God's love and God's protection now, and it strikes me as smelling of a Satanic spirit. I'm not saying this at you necessarily, but I don't think Christians who side AGAINST Israel truly know what spirit it is they are agreeing with. The NAZIs were influenced by occultists like Helena Blavatsy, who was a worshipper of Lucifer. She hated the Jews because Satan hates the Jews, and this is clearly attested in scripture.

Doesn't it trouble you to be aligning yourself with the spirit of Satan rather than the Spirit of God on this issue?

If I sign off, God bless, and have a great day.
- H