Executions...

[Prayer Warrior]

Ah thanks, but it has been dropping since the 1980s, there been little rises here and there, but it has been trending downwards decade by decade. In fact during Obama's term, they reached a historic low in 2014, then there was another historic low reached in 2017, whether if this was a carry on from the trend of numbers falling significantly in Obama's 2 terms or a result of Trump's first year or a bit of both, this proves that the numbers have been generally dropping no matter whether if the president was Republican or Democrat.

2014 under Obama

Under Trump 2017

Thanks so much for the graphs, @Yehren ! Everybody KNOWS that if it's in a graph, it MUST be true.

As I said before, abortion clinics are not known for truthful reporting. I mean, if they are murdering babies by the millions, why wouldn't they LIE about how many they are murdering, right?????

 

[Addy]

No doubt reporting of abortions went down, but this doesn't PROVE that there were fewer abortions. Abortion clinics are not known for keeping truthful statistics. Why would they??

Well... I have no interest in getting into the FAKE news thing.... I would think that TRUE statistics would be hard to come by.... Not sure if anyone has done a STATE to STATE yearly tally... On my execution thread.... @Josho posted a graph that statistically shows that abortions have been on the decline for some years now. Even during democratic rule. These kinds of things are impossible to prove as to the WHYS. So it's a guess at best..

As for your question about wade vs roe.... I don't understand the legal terms enough to comment... I am of course anti-abortion for any reason... but I do not expect my government to make that choice for me... I think the issue becomes a woman's rights to control her body... I can't make anyone agree with me... and neither can any government. But that is how I see it... Not saying I am right.

 

[Addy]

I believe the drop in abortions is more of a reflection on society's views on life rather than anything the government does.

I think I agree that the drop is due to the reflection of society's views. rather than on government mandates.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I think the issue becomes a woman's rights to control her body...

So, you believe the abortionists' false and evil rhetoric??

The baby, who has unique DNA, is NOT the woman's body.

 

[Addy]

So, you believe the abortionists' false and evil rhetoric??

The baby, who has unique DNA, is NOT the woman's body.

ARE you serious??????????? I said... I think the ISSUE in America has to do with the argument that a woman has the right to choose what she does with her body..... I did NOT say I agree with this. You seem so intent on SNARING me... LOL

 

[Addy]

I am of course anti-abortion for any reason...

@Prayer Warrior ... You missed this part.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Thanks so much for the graphs, @Yehren ! Everybody KNOWS that if it's in a graph, it MUST be true.

As I said before, abortion clinics are not known for truthful reporting. I mean, if they are murdering babies by the millions, why wouldn't they LIE about how many they are murdering, right?????

True, abortions have not ever been honestly or completely documented. I can guarantee they didn't document in those charts the forced late term abortions I experienced, nor the ones of all the other MK victims who have been forced to "abort." Not to mention young girls, women born to be used as breeders to obtain babies for infant sacrifice. I bet those aren't charted either.

 

[Taken]

I did not know this... Canada no longer exercises executions either... which is perhaps why I was shocked.

US Federal Govt has Authority to Execute Prisoners SENTENCED to Death.
Exercising the Authority to carry out the Sentence is the Government's Duty.

The Individual States are Sovereign States, with Some Having Death Sentences and Some NOT, according to the Citizens of those States. It is the Duty of the State to carry out the Sentence.

Trump from the getgo- Agreed by Oath as every VALID Elected President Does, to Uphold the Law.

Very Particular people are in a tizzy President Trump Honored his oath to uphold the Law.

I would presume the Families of the Victims are relieved Justice became Finalized.

 

[Taken]

But the abortion rate dropped under Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama significantly.

These are things you would not hear from other people.

Because the Numbers ARE irrelevant!

It's not about NUMBERS of Abortions!
It is solely about "who" Advocates FOR Abortions...and more disgustingly...using persons Compelled to pay Taxes TO Fund Abortions!

Bottom line...
Forcing people TO PAY for Abortions they do not agree with IS Evil and Wicked and perpetuated BY Evil and Wicked men.

 

[Taken]

I am of course anti-abortion for any reason... but I do not expect my government to make that choice for me...

Your government Already HAS. Canada requires "your" money, per compelled taxaition. Your Government Funds Abortions by Your collected money, via taxiation.

It doesn't matter IF You personally are anti-abortion, you are forced to fund abortions.

How do you like THAT?

 

[Ezra]

i find no issue with enforcing the death penalty . people dont mind abortion which is murder

 

[Grailhunter]

Do you really want to do a blow by blow INTEGRITY and MORALITY swap of Biden vs. Trump.... Thinking that might not turn out too good. LOL
Anyways...

lol Bring it on!

 

[Grailhunter]

But the abortion rate dropped under Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama significantly.

These are things you would not hear from other people.

All things in context of course. This is one of the reasons that you have to be suspicious of people quoting statistics and surveys. There is really no words in our language to describe the depths of this evil. No horror or event in history compares. These numbers would challenge the total death tolls of all the wars in recorded history....one big difference, it counts the death of innocence....footprints of Satan. For a Christian to vote for such a thing......

Reported Annual Abortions – 1973-2015

YEAR GI.................CDC
1973 744,610.... ...615,831
1974 898,570 ......763,476
1975 1,034,170....854,853
1976 1,179,300 ...988,267
1977 1,316,700 1,079,430
1978 1,409,600 1,157,776
1979 1,497,670 1,251,921
1980 1,553,890 1,297,606
1981 1,577,340 1,300,760
1982 1,573,920 1,303,980
1983 1,575,000 1,268,987
1984 1,577,180 1,333,521
1985 1,588,550 1,328,570
1986 1,574,000 1,328,112
1987 1,559,110 1,353,671
1988 1,590,750 1,371,285
1989 1,566,900 1,396,658
1990 1,608,600 1,429,247
1991 1,556,510 1,388,937
1992 1,528,930 1,359,146
1993 1,495,000 1,330,414
1994 1,423,000 1,267,415
1995 1,359,400 1,210,883
1996 1,360,160 1,225,937
1997 1,335,000 1,186,039
1998 1,319,000 884,273 *
1999 1,314,800 861,789 *
2000 1,312,990 857,475 *
2001 1,291,000 853,485 *
2002 1,269,000 854,122 *
2003 1,250,000 848,163 *
2004 1,222,100 839,226 *
2005 1,206,200 820,151 *
2006 1,242,200 846,181 *
2007 1,209,640 827,609 *
2008 1,212,350 825,564 *
2009 1,151,600 789,116 *
2010 1,102,670 765,651 *
2011 1,058,490 730,322 *
2012 1,011,000 699,202 *
2013 958,700 664,435 *
2014 926,190 652,639 *
2015 899,500 638,169 *
2016 874,100 623,471 *
2017 862,320 612,719 *
2018 862,320 619,820 *

U.S. Abortion Statistics By Year (1973-Current)

 

[Addy]

All things in context of course. This is one of the reasons that you have to be suspicious of people quoting statistics and surveys. There is really no words in our language to describe the depths of this evil. No horror or event in history compares. These numbers would challenge the total death tolls of all the wars in recorded history....one big difference, it counts the death of innocence....footprints of Satan. For a Christian to vote for such a thing......

I agree that statistics are not usually accurate... WE agree on that... LOL and regarding the blow by blow list of Biden vs Trump.... THANKFULLY neither you nor I have that list... It belongs to Christ. So...there I don't like mud flinging... we all have sin.

 

[Grailhunter]

I agree that statistics are not usually accurate... WE agree on that... LOL and regarding the blow by blow list of Biden vs Trump.... THANKFULLY neither you nor I have that list... It belongs to Christ. So...there I don't like mud flinging... we all have sin.

There is sin and then there is directly serving Satan.
I started posting in this thread about the faulty thinking...illogical.
The concern over a murderer's life and little concern shown for the victim.
But the fight for the right to murder babies....the numbers are staggering, not just for the U.S. but for the world.
Then what is God to do with a country that allows such a horror, what is He to do with a country that finances such a thing, what is He do with people that vote for such a thing?

 

[Addy]

There is sin and then there is directly serving Satan.
I started posting in this thread about the faulty thinking...illogical.
The concern over a murderer's life and little concern shown for the victim.
But the fight for the right to murder babies....the numbers are staggering, not just for the U.S. but for the world.
Then what is God to do with a country that allows such a horror, what is He to do with a country that finances such a thing, what is He do with people that vote for such a thing?

First of all... I don't vote... I never have... and I never will... as I am unable to pick the lesser of two evils... With that said... I absolutely understand the need to vote according to conscience...
Secondly... the original post has nothing to do with abortion... Somehow.... however... some have chosen to justify the actions of one with the argument of the other.

 

[Truman]

I found this information this morning... I posted this on another thread but thought I would start my own. I wonder how many people are aware of this. I was personally shocked.

President Donald Trump’s Justice Department resumed federal executions last year following a 17-year hiatus. No president in more than 120 years had overseen as many federal executions. (Source: Politico).

The Trump administration together with the Justice Department, has scheduled five prisoner executions before President-elect Joe Biden’s 20th January inauguration, breaking the 130-year-old precedent of halting prisoner executions during a presidential transition.

And if all executions take place, Trump will be the country’s most prolific execution president in more than a century, overseeing the executions of 13 death row inmates since 2020 July. (Source: Newsweek).

Since Trump authorised the resumption of federal executions, which began again in July 2020, the US government has applied the death penalty to 12 people.

This number means that the Trump administration has executed more American civilians than all of the states combined - the first time this has happened in US history. (Source: The Scotsman )

"No-one has ever attempted to carry out so many executions at the federal level," he said. "No-one in modern American history has attempted to carry out so many executions in such a short period of time... and no-one has done so in a manner that so closely disregards the rule of law." (Source: Newsweek).

Your source is Newsweek. SMH

 

[Grailhunter]

First of all... I don't vote... I never have... and I never will... as I am unable to pick the lesser of two evils... With that said... I absolutely understand the need to vote according to conscience...
Secondly... the original post has nothing to do with abortion... Somehow.... however... some have chosen to justify the actions of one with the argument of the other.

All right! Before you get all defensive on me! This is not aimed at you. The original post is about execution...that means killing people.
The failure of logic for those that are against killing murders but supporting the holocaust of killing babies is part of the conversation.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

True, abortions have not ever been honestly or completely documented. I can guarantee they didn't document in those charts the forced late term abortions I experienced, nor the ones of all the other MK victims who have been forced to "abort." Not to mention young girls, women born to be used as breeders to obtain babies for infant sacrifice. I bet those aren't charted either.

I’m so sorry to hear of your experiences.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

ARE you serious??????????? I said... I think the ISSUE in America has to do with the argument that a woman has the right to choose what she does with her body..... I did NOT say I agree with this. You seem so intent on SNARING me... LOL

Uh, this is what you said, and I quote, “I think the issue becomes a woman's rights to control her body....”