Everyone Goes to Heaven

[Harold]

```Ecclesiastes 9:7 Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do. (ESV) ```



has already כְבָ֔ר (ḵə·ḇār) = Strong's 3528: Extent of time, a great while, long ago, formerly, hitherto



What has God already done? Well, He has already prepared a room for each of us in paradise. Eccl 1:10 tells us that things said now have already been said in ancient times. Eccl 6:10 literally says “Everything has already been decided”.



Is Christian Universalism new? No. Many people have already done what I’m doing, posting verses like this, many years ago. When does someone become a Christian? Ultimately, it’s up to God. He decides when someone believes in Christ to be saved.



So, no matter what I say, no matter what I do, if it’s not someone’s time to believe in Christ, then they won’t believe. They will only believe when God decides it’s time for them to believe. To my fellow Christians, I say therefore, be kind to those who do not yet believe, their belief is out of your control. To those who are not Christian, I say, you may not understand what I say now, but eventually, you will, it is guaranteed.

 

[Harold]

are you one who believes every single person will be saved?

if so, that's not what the Bible teaches.

Hi M3n0r4h my friend. Yes, that is me. Though, there are many others like me.

I believe every single person will be saved because every single person will become a believer in Christ. That's Christian Universalism.

There's many verses in the Bible that teach this, but this one's a good summary:

ISAIAH 45:22-24 "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth. By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. They will say of me, `In the Lord alone are righteousness and strength.'"

God has literally promised to have every single person saved. God bless :)

 

[M3n0r4h]

Hi M3n0r4h my friend. Yes, that is me. Though, there are many others like me.

I believe every single person will be saved because every single person will become a believer in Christ. That's Christian Universalism.

There's many verses in the Bible that teach this, but this one's a good summary:

ISAIAH 45:22-24 "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth. By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. They will say of me, `In the Lord alone are righteousness and strength.'"

God has literally promised to have every single person saved. God bless :)

do you not believe in the devil and his fallen angel demons?

do you not believe there are those upon the earth who serve them directly and do things on a daily basis that cannot ever be forgiven by God?

all of those people know very well that God exists, they fully believe in Him and hate Him with a passion you cannot imagine.

it is ... very uninformed, possibly even un-sane, to be of the opinion that all of those people will be welcomed by the Holy of Holies into the Holiest realm in existence, among all of the Holiest beings that have ever existed.

sorry, I can't abide that possibility in the least.

I actually find it insulting to God's Holy Word.

 

[Harold]

``` Joel 2:13 Rend your heart and not your garments.

Return to the Lord your God, for he is gracious and compassionate,

slow to anger and abounding in love, and he relents from sending calamity. ```



Return וְשׁ֖וּבוּ (wə·šū·ḇū) Strong's 7725: To turn back, in, to retreat, again. All are created by dust from God and all return to dust. Genesis 3:19. Does God have any bias to only save one random pile of dust as opposed to another? No. To God, we are all sinners Romans 3:23 and He desires to save us all. Psalm 67:2.



Dust, עָפָר֙ (‘ā·p̄ār) Strong’s 6083, also means clay, earth, mud. So, we are all made of the earth עָפָר֙ of the Earth הָאָֽרֶץ׃ (hā·’ā·reṣ) Strong’s 776. And God created the whole Earth Genesis 1:1. Thus, let us all have faith alone in Christ. We were all physically created by God, so let us all be spiritually recreated by Him as well.

 

[dadman]

MAN !!!! .... you got a rip a lot of pages from the Bible in order to hold that view

IE: .... And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them ..... And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works ..... And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works .... And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death .... And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire ........ Revelation 20:11-14




.....

 

[dadman]

1 Corinthians 15:22: "As in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."
Despite all of us being cursed with the original sin of Adam, Christ has came to the world to make everyone alive through Him.
We will all be saved from the wages of sin, death, and be alive with Christ for all time!
1 Corinthians 15:55: "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?"
God will not let death win! In the coming age, there will be no more death, no more suffering, for anyone.
Because God will save everyone!

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name ..... John 1:12

 

[dadman]

Romans 5:18: "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men."
You can not get any more exact than that. Everyone condemned by the original sin of Adam will be saved through the righteousness of Christ’s death.
Romans 11:32: "For God has consigned all to disobedience, that He may have mercy on all."
Even though we have all sinned against God, He will still have mercy on all of us because of His Love for all creation. All people will be saved.

What I (Jesus) tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops .... And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell ...... Matthew 10:27-28

This is what I will "preach ye upon the housetops"

 

[dadman]

A Plan for Dying in Your Sins .. John 8:21–30
Four Ways to Miss Heaven .. John 8:21–30
Four Marks of a Hell-Bound Man .. John 8:21–30

 

[Harold]

do you not believe in the devil and his fallen angel demons?

do you not believe there are those upon the earth who serve them directly and do things on a daily basis that cannot ever be forgiven by God?

all of those people know very well that God exists, they fully believe in Him and hate Him with a passion you cannot imagine.

it is ... very uninformed, possibly even un-sane to be of the opinion that all of those people will be welcomed by the Holy of Holies into the Holiest realm in existence, among all of the Holiest beings that have ever existed.

sorry, I can't abide that possibility in the least.

I actually find it insulting to God's Holy Word.

I do believe that the Devil and His Fallen Angel Demons exist, though I have my faith in Christ to save me from my sins, not them. I believe they too will eventually become believers in Christ to be washed of their many sins and thus made righteous.

"Fallen" is interesting, let's not forget this verse:

Psalm 145:14The LORD upholdeth all that fall, and raiseth up all those that be bowed down. (KJV)

And as we know, Christ, God, forgives all sins, His sacrifice, His holy blood, is sufficient to wash away even the reddest of stains. Personally, I would be concerned if, like you put it, the Holy of Holies from the Holiest realm in existence's death was not enough to light up all the darkness to ever exist.

Certainly, I agree with you, M3n0r4h, there are those who exist right now who passionately hate God. But, I cannot see God allowing that hate to continue.

Proverbs 10:12 Hatred awaketh contentions, And over all transgressions love covereth. (YLT).

Therefore, I find the Universal Salvation by Christ to be very accurate to God's Holy Word. God bless my friend :)

 

[Harold]

What I (Jesus) tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops .... And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell ...... Matthew 10:27-28

This is what I will "preach ye upon the housetops"

Hi dadman, thanks for the verse!

Matthew 10:27-28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 10:28 - Fear God Alone

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

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1) The word "Hell" here is not Biblically accurate. The correct term is γεέννῃ (geennē)

Matthew 10:28 - Fear God Alone

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

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Strong's 1067: Of Hebrew origin; valley of Hinnom; ge-henna, a valley of Jerusalem, used as a name for the place of everlasting punishment.
Everlasting = aion = age = temporary

Was the physical fire in Gehenna burning forever? No. Risk of busk fires, toxic fumes going from side of Jerusalem, heavy rainfall, used for burning corpses of enemies like Assyrian army when it takes too long to bury.

So, since Gehenna is merely a physical temporary location, it's punishment is temporary (and, of course, only relevant to the people who were there in that particular time period when it was active). So, it's impossible for Gehenna to torture someone forever or destroy someone forever.

2) God being capable of destroying both soul and body does not mean that He will do it. Especially since He desires to save all people.

1 Timothy 2:3-6: "This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

It was God's choice to create us. He had the ability to not create us in the first place, yet He chose to anyways. God has the ability to not create soul and body, but since He desires life, He creates soul and body.

3) What exactly is destroyed in the soul and body? When God destroys the soul and body, does He destroy it fully? Or does he destroy only the part which has sin and saves the rest?

Psalm 145:20 The Lord preserves all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy.
Is one passage which can describe destruction. Here's the problem though. All humans are wicked! I'm wicked, you are wicked. Wicked means having sin, disobedience to God's law, we're all sinners! Romans 3:23 Hey, so by that logic, literally none of us should be saved. All of our souls and bodies should be destroyed!

But hey, wait a minute. The Bible says that certainly, there are guaranteed at least some people save. I think that's something both Christian Universalist and Christian Infernalists can agree on... hopefully lol.

But, what are we saved by? Is it by our own works. No! It is by grace through faith. But the grace of God is given to all people Titus 2:11. The problem with Eternal Concious Torment and Annihlationism is it makes the grace of God flawed by saying He's only biased to give grace to some people. But grace is grace! We're all sinners, thus we will all be reconciled with God, all will become believers in Christ!

4) Even if God fully destroys something, what exactly is "fully" destroyed anyways, literally or figuratively?
So once a person has faith alone in Christ, the Holy Spirit dwells inside us, who is God. God is a consuming fire Hebrews 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:24, so He will burn away all of our sins, because that's in His nature.

I Peter 1:3-6 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: (KJV)

How is pure gold formed? By having the impurities fully destroyed. Yes, gold must be fully destroyed in order for it to become pure gold! But wait a minute! How come this gold is still gold even though it's been FULLY destroyed!? Because only the bad parts are fully destroyed. Thus, the sin of a person's soul and body are FULLY destroyed! What does that leave behind? The pure and refined parts of a person's soul!

So, here's the truth my friends. We will all be fully destroyed into gold! Yep! This destruction is "full" because, God, like one who examines gold, goes through every aspect of us, and makes sure that not even a single smallest percentage of sin remains, as white as snow! Isaiah 1:18

1 Peter 1:7 - A Living Hope

so that the proven character of your faith--more precious than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

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perishes
ἀπολλυμένου (apollymenou)
Verb - Present Participle Middle - Genitive Neuter Singular
Strong's 622: From apo and the base of olethros; to destroy fully, literally or figuratively.

What perishes? Our sin, of course. Naturally, the wages of sin is death, so it's natural that sin will physically die. And all sin must be spiritually destroyed as well. What does that leave behind? Well, we are sinners, and our disease is sin, so once all our sins are fully destroyed, we're left with a completely cured patient.

4) English and Greek have different definitions for the word "destroy"

In our Modern English, we may think of destroy as "completely 100% destruction". And certainly, sin will be 100% destroyed, yet we will live, because all the death has been 100% destroyed. In the Greek of the New Testament, there's also the meaning of destroy where it means "to refine into something"

Strong's Greek: 622. ἀπόλλυμι (apollumi) -- 92 Occurrences

622. ἀπόλλυμι (apollumi)

Looking through the list... hey wait a minute. Apoll, isn't that an interesting etymological word root? Does that not sound like the demon Apollyon?

Revelation 9:11 and they have over them a king -- the messenger of the abyss -- a name is to him in Hebrew, Abaddon, and in the Greek he hath a name, Apollyon. (YLT)

Apollyon.
Ἀπολλύων (Apollyōn)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 623: Apollyon, The Destroying One, a Greek translation of the Hebrew: Abaddon. Active participle of apollumi; a destroyer.

Strong's Greek: 623. Ἀπολλύων (Apolluón) -- 1 Occurrence

Hey, Strong's literally says that Apollyon is "The Destroying One". But, how can a mere demon, a creation of God, have any authority to completely 100% utterly destroy something? Well, in the English sense, a demon cannot annilhate, like reduce something to absoluttely nothing. But in the Greek sense, the demons can be used to refine people, through the struggles they experience which could lead them to realize their sins (repentence) to realize their need of a savior to have faith alone in Him, Christ to be saved. Demons are also useful adversaries in training Christians who are already permanently saved, to refine their skills, in a sense.

 

[Harold]

5) Apollumi, destroy, is related to the term "ruin"

Strong's Greek: 623. Ἀπολλύων (Apolluón) -- 1 Occurrence

Let's not get sidetracked and examine this list.
Hmm..... first we can see that the word "perish" is used, so it's not always "destroy" in the English sense

Further, we see the words "ruined"
Matthew 9:17 V-PIM/P-3P
GRK: οἱ ἀσκοὶ ἀπόλλυνται ἀλλὰ βάλλουσιν
NAS: out and the wineskins are ruined; but they put

Luke 5:37 V-FIM-3P
GRK: οἱ ἀσκοὶ ἀπολοῦνται
NAS: out, and the skins will be ruined.

Ever visit one of those old historical places, maybe a relic at a museum, or an ancient city. Those are pretty "ruined" huh. Some may even call them "ruins". But... they're still standing! So they aren't completely destroyed nor tortured forever.

6) Apollumi, destroy, is related to the term "lost"

Strong's Greek: 623. Ἀπολλύων (Apolluón) -- 1 Occurrence

Continuing our adventure through this list, there's a lot of instances of "lost", like from the book of Matthew, where that original Matthew 10:27-28 verse comes from

Matthew 10:6 V-RPA-ANP
GRK: πρόβατα τὰ ἀπολωλότα οἴκου Ἰσραήλ
NAS: go to the lost sheep

Matthew 10:39 V-FIA-3S
GRK: ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἀπολέσει αὐτήν καὶ
NAS: his life will lose it, and he who has lost

Matthew 10:39 V-APA-NMS
GRK: καὶ ὁ ἀπολέσας τὴν ψυχὴν
NAS: will lose it, and he who has lost his life

Matthew 10:42 V-ASA-3S
GRK: οὐ μὴ ἀπολέσῃ τὸν μισθὸν
NAS: I say to you, he shall not lose his reward.

Matthew 15:24 V-RPA-ANP
GRK: πρόβατα τὰ ἀπολωλότα οἴκου Ἰσραήλ
NAS: only to the lost sheep

Matthew 16:25 V-FIA-3S
GRK: αὐτοῦ σῶσαι ἀπολέσει αὐτήν ὃς
NAS: his life will lose it; but whoever

Matthew 16:25 V-ASA-3S
GRK: δ' ἂν ἀπολέσῃ τὴν ψυχὴν
NAS: it; but whoever loses his life

Matthew 18:11 V-RPA-ANS
GRK: σῶσαι τὸ ἀπολωλός
KJV: that which was lost.

Mark 8:35 V-FIA-3S
GRK: δ' ἂν ἀπολέσει τὴν ψυχὴν
NAS: it, but whoever loses his life

Mark 9:41 V-ASA-3S
GRK: οὐ μὴ ἀπολέσῃ τὸν μισθὸν
NAS: I say to you, he will not lose his reward.

Luke 9:24 V-FIA-3S
GRK: αὐτοῦ σῶσαι ἀπολέσει αὐτήν ὃς
NAS: his life will lose it, but whoever

Luke 9:24 V-ASA-3S
GRK: δ' ἂν ἀπολέσῃ τὴν ψυχὴν
NAS: it, but whoever loses his life

Luke 9:25 V-APA-NMS
GRK: ἑαυτὸν δὲ ἀπολέσας ἢ ζημιωθείς
NAS: the whole world, and loses or forfeits

Luke 15:4 V-APA-NMS
GRK: πρόβατα καὶ ἀπολέσας ἐξ αὐτῶν
NAS: sheep and has lost one

Luke 15:4 V-RPA-ANS
GRK: ἐπὶ τὸ ἀπολωλὸς ἕως εὕρῃ
NAS: after the one which is lost until

Luke 15:6 V-RPA-ANS
GRK: μου τὸ ἀπολωλός
NAS: my sheep which was lost!'

Luke 15:8 V-ASA-3S
GRK: δέκα ἐὰν ἀπολέσῃ δραχμὴν μίαν
NAS: silver coins and loses one coin,

Luke 15:9 V-AIA-1S
GRK: δραχμὴν ἣν ἀπώλεσα
NAS: the coin which I had lost!'

Luke 15:24 V-RPA-NMS
GRK: ἀνέζησεν ἦν ἀπολωλὼς καὶ εὑρέθη
NAS: and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.'

Luke 15:32 V-RPA-NMS
GRK: ἔζησεν καὶ ἀπολωλὼς καὶ εὑρέθη
NAS: and [has begun] to live, and [was] lost and has been found.'

 

[Harold]

Luke 19:10 V-RPA-ANS
GRK: σῶσαι τὸ ἀπολωλός
NAS: and to save that which was lost.

John 6:12 V-ASM-3S
GRK: μή τι ἀπόληται
NAS: so that nothing will be lost.

John 6:39 V-ASA-1S
GRK: μοι μὴ ἀπολέσω ἐξ αὐτοῦ
NAS: that He has given Me I lose nothing,

John 12:25 V-PIA-3S
GRK: ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἀπολλύει αὐτήν καὶ
NAS: his life loses it, and he who hates

John 18:9 V-AIA-1S
GRK: μοι οὐκ ἀπώλεσα ἐξ αὐτῶν
NAS: You have given Me I lost not one.



That's a lot of verses. Point is, they are "losing" something. But, to lose something, means it's a possession that's seperate to yourself. Let's say I lost my wallet. Am I completely lost? No, I'm right here. But my wallet, where is it? This is a seperate object that is lost!

But let's say I'm lost. Like, I was walking around, you know... looking for my wallet! And bam! I suddenly have no idea where I am! So, yeah I'm lost. But I'm not "destroyed". Maybe my sense of ego for thinking I knew the place like the back of my hand is destroyed LOL. But, I'm still there, still standing, still talking.

So I shout out "I'm lost!". Maybe, later, some random translators come and decide to put what I said in a book of sorts. So they translated what I say as Apollumi.

So I have been Apollumi-ed. I have been fully destroyed! That's what those English Bible translators would say to expressiosn of being lost.

So when a person's soul and body enters into the physical location Gehenna, something is certainly lost. Their phyiscal life for sure. But, the refinement of God is the process of them losing their sins too! A person may be lost for a while, but they are never lost permanently!

Luke 15:4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? (ESV)

And I will point out this verse amongst that list
Luke 15:6 V-RPA-ANS
GRK: μου τὸ ἀπολωλός
NAS: my sheep which was lost!'

The sheep was lost! The sheep was Apollumi-ed. "The sheep was destroyed!" is what some Bible translators may write LOL. But, that sheep is still standing, it's just lost.



Hey, speaking of still talking. (I'm glad you're still reading).

7) Destruction is a process.

Check this out:

Luke 8:24 V-PIM-1P
GRK: Ἐπιστάτα ἐπιστάτα ἀπολλύμεθα ὁ δὲ
NAS: Master, we are perishing! And He got

Luke 15:17 V-PIM-1S
GRK: λιμῷ ὧδε ἀπόλλυμαι
NAS: bread, but I am dying here

Hey! Perishing? So, getting destroying. If this person is being "destroyed" then how can they still talk. If destruction is suppposed to be 100% permanent for their whole self, then how are they still having this conversation? They shouldn't be able to talk at all, if we assume the English definition of destroy to mean Annihlationism.

Revelation 18:14 V-AIM-3S
GRK: τὰ λαμπρὰ ἀπώλετο ἀπὸ σοῦ
NAS: and splendid have passed away from you and [men] will no longer

Passed away! Here's a question. If a person passes away, what happens to them? Well, there's an afterlife, hopefully us Christian Universalists and the Christian Infernalists can agree on that (hopefully lol).

Ask an atheist what happens when someone passes away, they might say "destroyed!". But us Christians know that someone who passes away is not fully destroyed, their soul and body is still there.

So yes, we will all pass away, we will all be Apollumi-ed, our soul and body will all be "fully destroyed". Leaving only refined gold in it's place! Amen, God bless my friends

 

[M3n0r4h]

I do believe that the Devil and His Fallen Angel Demons exist, though ... I believe they too will eventually become believers in Christ to be washed of their many sins and thus made righteous.

I find the Universal Salvation by Christ to be very accurate to God's Holy Word. God bless my friend :)

the only way possible for someone to believe something like that is for them to have next to zero understanding of the Bible.

nobody, and I do mean nobody, who studies the Bible on their own would come to such a conclusion.

what you don't even realize that you are subscribing to, and preaching, is the concept of God creating unthinking, unfeeling, robots ... that have no will and no ability to make decisions for themselves.

that is diametrically opposed to what God desires from mankind.

I'm sorry, but it is the furthest thing from Biblical there could be.

 

[M3n0r4h]

Luke 19:10 V-RPA-ANS
GRK: σῶσαι τὸ ἀπολωλός
NAS: and to save that which was lost.

John 6:12 V-ASM-3S
GRK: μή τι ἀπόληται
NAS: so that nothing will be lost.

John 6:39 V-ASA-1S
GRK: μοι μὴ ἀπολέσω ἐξ αὐτοῦ
NAS: that He has given Me I lose nothing,

John 12:25 V-PIA-3S
GRK: ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἀπολλύει αὐτήν καὶ
NAS: his life loses it, and he who hates

John 18:9 V-AIA-1S
GRK: μοι οὐκ ἀπώλεσα ἐξ αὐτῶν
NAS: You have given Me I lost not one.



That's a lot of verses. Point is, they are "losing" something. But, to lose something, means it's a possession that's seperate to yourself. Let's say I lost my wallet. Am I completely lost? No, I'm right here. But my wallet, where is it? This is a seperate object that is lost!

But let's say I'm lost. Like, I was walking around, you know... looking for my wallet! And bam! I suddenly have no idea where I am! So, yeah I'm lost. But I'm not "destroyed". Maybe my sense of ego for thinking I knew the place like the back of my hand is destroyed LOL. But, I'm still there, still standing, still talking.

So I shout out "I'm lost!". Maybe, later, some random translators come and decide to put what I said in a book of sorts. So they translated what I say as Apollumi.

So I have been Apollumi-ed. I have been fully destroyed! That's what those English Bible translators would say to expressiosn of being lost.

So when a person's soul and body enters into the physical location Gehenna, something is certainly lost. Their phyiscal life for sure. But, the refinement of God is the process of them losing their sins too! A person may be lost for a while, but they are never lost permanently!

Luke 15:4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? (ESV)

And I will point out this verse amongst that list
Luke 15:6 V-RPA-ANS
GRK: μου τὸ ἀπολωλός
NAS: my sheep which was lost!'

The sheep was lost! The sheep was Apollumi-ed. "The sheep was destroyed!" is what some Bible translators may write LOL. But, that sheep is still standing, it's just lost.



Hey, speaking of still talking. (I'm glad you're still reading).

7) Destruction is a process.

Check this out:

Luke 8:24 V-PIM-1P
GRK: Ἐπιστάτα ἐπιστάτα ἀπολλύμεθα ὁ δὲ
NAS: Master, we are perishing! And He got

Luke 15:17 V-PIM-1S
GRK: λιμῷ ὧδε ἀπόλλυμαι
NAS: bread, but I am dying here

Hey! Perishing? So, getting destroying. If this person is being "destroyed" then how can they still talk. If destruction is suppposed to be 100% permanent for their whole self, then how are they still having this conversation? They shouldn't be able to talk at all, if we assume the English definition of destroy to mean Annihlationism.

Revelation 18:14 V-AIM-3S
GRK: τὰ λαμπρὰ ἀπώλετο ἀπὸ σοῦ
NAS: and splendid have passed away from you and [men] will no longer

Passed away! Here's a question. If a person passes away, what happens to them? Well, there's an afterlife, hopefully us Christian Universalists and the Christian Infernalists can agree on that (hopefully lol).

Ask an atheist what happens when someone passes away, they might say "destroyed!". But us Christians know that someone who passes away is not fully destroyed, their soul and body is still there.

So yes, we will all pass away, we will all be Apollumi-ed, our soul and body will all be "fully destroyed". Leaving only refined gold in it's place! Amen, God bless my friends

yes, nothing and no one will be lost "of those that the Father has given Christ."

nowhere will you find scripture that says that every human will be saved.

that is just ridiculous nonsense.

 

[Harold]

``` Joel 2:13 Rend your heart and not your garments.

Return to the Lord your God, for he is gracious and compassionate,

slow to anger and abounding in love, and he relents from sending calamity. ```



Return וְשׁ֖וּבוּ (wə·šū·ḇū) Strong's 7725: To turn back, in, to retreat, again. All are created by dust from God and all return to dust. Genesis 3:19. Does God have any bias to only save one random pile of dust as opposed to another? No. To God, we are all sinners Romans 3:23 and He desires to save us all. Psalm 67:2.



Dust, עָפָר֙ (‘ā·p̄ār) Strong’s 6083, also means clay, earth, mud. So, we are all made of the earth עָפָר֙ of the Earth הָאָֽרֶץ׃ (hā·’ā·reṣ) Strong’s 776. And God created the whole Earth Genesis 1:1. Thus, let us all have faith alone in Christ. We were all physically created by God, so let us all be spiritually recreated by Him as well.

 

[Harold]

Matthew 17:20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

Some people are so stubborn that they are like a mountain. Years go by and they are still so evil. Yet, the Word of Christ is like a water, constantly splashed on a rock, eventually there’s erosion. Eventually, they believe in Christ to be made clean of all their sins, all will.

With God, nothing is impossible ἀδυνατήσει (adynatēsei) Strong’s 101. Luke 1:37. It also means “unable”. God is able to save all people, thus He will.

 

[Harold]

```Matthew 10:29-31 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. ``` (NIV)



No one can permanently fall outside our Father’s care. The Lord cares for all creation, humans, sparrows, even the fallen angels. Fall, πεσεῖται peseitai Strong's 4098 here is used to describe the angel Satan having fallen πεσόντα pesonta Strong's 4098 from Heaven Luke 10:18.



All creation, no matter how evil, will be made clean by the blood of Christ, by faith in Him, and thus be reconciled with God in Heaven.

 

[Harold]

```Amos 5:4 For Yahweh says to the house of Israel: “Seek me, and you will live; (WEB) ```

The YHWH God Is real. What were we created for? To live? Why would God destroy that original purpose.

Genesis 2:7. When the breath of life is breathed into a creature, they become a living creature.

Thus, we must obtain the Holy Spirit of Permanent Life, all will by faith in Christ, who’s blood blots out the consequence of death for all sins.

That is why live: וִֽחְיֽוּ׃ (wiḥ·yū) Strong's 2421: means to live and to revive. Everyone will be resurrected thus in glorified bodies.

 

[Nancy]

Those who have done good? Who has done good? Certainly, I have not done good, because I am a sinner.

Romans 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh;

Therefore, let the person who is without evil be the first to say that those who are evil will be resurrected to damnation. Because, either we're all saved and go to Heaven, or none of are saved and we are damned. And since there are few of us who are saved right now, then therefore, eventually all will be saved

Certainly, there is punishment for people who commit sins. But does this punishment last forever? No. Because all people will eventually believe in Christ to be made clean by His blood, which washes away all our evil. Only with the Holy Spirit inside of us are we truly capable of producing good works after salvation.

Hello Harold!
We do not ever (meaning Christians) and will NEVER "pay" for our sins to be right in God's eyes as, Jesus took the full penalty for the sins of the whole world, and gave us this enormous, very costly gift to us. Like you basically said in the first sentence- Only God is good... Once we have His righteousness and forgiveness as we MUST repent! And be baptized in His Name.
There is no way that any human other than Christ could ever pay for their sins...we are not the perfect Lambs, with no blemish and a constant union with The Father...we are a fallen species no matter how we see each other on the "outside" Only God can see man's heart. What The Holy Spirit has shown me over the years is that, the human heart is evil, always. Our "good works" without faith in Christ are as filthy rags to God.
He loves us regardless and wants ALL MEN to come to repentance. Submitting every single thing to Him is the only way that He can fill us with Himself :)
It's amazing what He does when we honestly and actually submit! It's awesome.
God bless

 

[Nancy]

```Amos 5:4 For Yahweh says to the house of Israel: “Seek me, and you will live; (WEB) ```

The YHWH God Is real. What were we created for? To live? Why would God destroy that original purpose.

Genesis 2:7. When the breath of life is breathed into a creature, they become a living creature.

Thus, we must obtain the Holy Spirit of Permanent Life, all will by faith in Christ, who’s blood blots out the consequence of death for all sins.

That is why live: וִֽחְיֽוּ׃ (wiḥ·yū) Strong's 2421: means to live and to revive. Everyone will be resurrected thus in glorified bodies.

"What were we created for?"

Wonderful question!! Someone should make a thread on this.
IMHO we were created to trust and obey and worship Him, magnify Him through our lives, give thanksgiving, even for the bad things that come our way.
Originally there were no
bad" things until Adam and Eve were both in disobedience. So, God had a contingency plan!! YAY!
And that plan was His Perfect Sinless Son, Jesus our LORD and savior