Eternal Security

[Helen]

Agree John...it all falls under " walking in the Spirit" and "Abiding In Him." Which our heart always longs to do and our flesh fights against!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Eternal security is real.
It's what makes Christianity alive!
When we are filled with the Holy Spirit, we know we are with God and all his promises are ours.

Romans 11:29-32;
29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,
31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

What this says is all we have to do is receive it and we have eternal security.
But don't kid yourself.
One who is truly filled with the Spirit of God will never give up their eternal security.

We receive this eternal security because of God's mercy on us.
Ever hear of the Mercy Seat of Christ?
If we believe, we will be there.

Praise the Lord!

And the key phrase is "IF WE BELIEVE."

The Bible assures us that if we STOP believing and STOP being obedient - we LOSE it all (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)


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[Wrigley]

And the key phrase is "IF WE BELIEVE."

The Bible assures us that if we STOP believing and STOP being obedient - we LOSE it all (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)


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Obedient to what?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And the key phrase is "IF WE BELIEVE."

The Bible assures us that if we STOP believing and STOP being obedient - we LOSE it all (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)


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But those verses all refer to castaways

 

[BreadOfLife]

Obedient to what?

To what??
To HIM - who else??

 

[BreadOfLife]

But those verses all refer to castaways

No they don't. They refer to followers of Christ who have gone astray.

As a matter of fact, Heb. 10:26-27 and 2 Peter 2:20-22 speak about the EPIGNOSIS that only a truly converted, born again follower of Christ can have - and hos they can LOSE it all by their own doing.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

No they don't. They refer to followers of Christ who have gone astray.

As a matter of fact, Heb. 10:26-27 and 2 Peter 2:20-22 speak about the EPIGNOSIS that only a truly converted, born again follower of Christ can have - and hos they can LOSE it all by their own doing.

That brings us full circle.
The Bible doesn't say you can lose your salvation.
that is merely man interpreting verses to suit his need.
Russell did that.
Are you a Russell man?

 

[Wrigley]

To what??
To HIM - who else??

What does the obedience entail and to what extent?

 

[Wrigley]

To what??
To HIM - who else??

Are you saying obedience saves?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Eternal security is real.
It's what makes Christianity alive!

Before you can talk with the larger Christian audience about OSAS, you must first talk about whether or not a person always has free will. This because OSAS is theologically dependent on the idea that a saved person no longer has free will in this regard.

 

[Enoch111]

This because OSAS is theologically dependent on the idea that a saved person no longer has free will in this regard.

That may be someone's idea but that is not what Scripture reveals. The eternal security of the believers is strictly based upon (1) the infinite grace of God and (2) the perfect finished work of Christ for our redemption.

And free will does not disappear, but should ideally be conformed to the will of God (Rom 12:1,2).

 

[Episkopos]

Are you saying obedience saves?

Obedience preserves. Do you think disobedience saves? Does disobedience likewise preserve us? (This is very silly)

 

[Episkopos]

That may be someone's idea but that is not what Scripture reveals. The eternal security of the believers is strictly based upon (1) the infinite grace of God and (2) the perfect finished work of Christ for our redemption.

And free will does not disappear, but should ideally be conformed to the will of God (Rom 12:1,2).

...and all this with obedience on our part. Salvation, although a work of grace, is not something that God does without expecting something in return if He grants us the time to grow into Him. To whom much is given, more is required...and this includes time.

 

[Stranger]

...and all this with obedience on our part. Salvation, although a work of grace, is not something that God does without expecting something in return if He grants us the time to grow into Him. To whom much is given, more is required...and this includes time.

If you think God expects something in return, then it is not that you disagree with eternal security, you disagree with anyone being saved.

Stranger

 

[Jane_Doe22]

That may be someone's idea but that is not what Scripture reveals. The eternal security of the believers is strictly based upon (1) the infinite grace of God and (2) the perfect finished work of Christ for our redemption.

And free will does not disappear, but should ideally be conformed to the will of God (Rom 12:1,2).

Does a person have free will to walk away from Christ and say "no thank you"?

OSAS is dependent on that answer being "no, that free will doesn't exist".

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Does a person have free will to walk away from Christ and say "no thank you"?

OSAS is dependent on that answer being "no, that free will doesn't exist".

That is your opinion.
Your opinion means nothing.

 

[Helen]

That may be someone's idea but that is not what Scripture reveals. The eternal security of the believers is strictly based upon (1) the infinite grace of God and (2) the perfect finished work of Christ for our redemption.

And free will does not disappear, but should ideally be conformed to the will of God (Rom 12:1,2).

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[Enoch111]

Does a person have free will to walk away from Christ and say "no thank you"?

Why would anyone in their right mind do that? If someone offered you a million dollars with no strings attached, would you walk away or jump for joy? Eternal life cannot be measured in dollars, but it would be equivalent to billions.

 

[Enoch111]

...and all this with obedience on our part.

That's a given. But our obedience does not save us. It proves that we are saved.

1 PETER 1
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

 

[Jane_Doe22]

That is your opinion.

It just simple logic actually.