Endless Pet Doctrines

[Enoch111]

Well then what do you mean to imply? Honestly, bbyrd, talking to you is like taking a trip down the rabbit hole.

That's a good one.

 

[Helen]

I really want to know what this means to you? Is that what God says?
* And please don’t quote “pick up your cross”, your overlooking One went (goes) before you.

Well said....:)

 

[bbyrd009]

NO! A thousand times no...do not post less.
I have pretty much got your 'speak' down okay...and if I can't get a word, I do at least understand it via the context of the post.

You do just fine...

Ditto-I would miss the MarkSpeak,,,hahaha

ah well i do appreciate it; i can't really explain how embarrassing it is to me to be told that i can't be understood; even if i get the mechanism of why not a little better now. I guess it's kind of more like a listening disability with me or something

What part would that be?

um, the part that is not The Observer, i guess? "Ego" is prolly another way to put it?

 

[bbyrd009]

Nothing personal, bb - i like your posts.

well, i appreciate your comments myself, even in this area. Not like i haven't heard that one before, either. The problem is mostly that when i practice perfect diction in writing, it puts me into editor mode, or i guess i'm saying that i become self-conscious, or more self conscious

 

[bbyrd009]

Bbyd - you mentioned interdependence - it is a term that is not used enough when describing the Christian life. We are so afraid of codependence that we forget that we need each other and the idea of being one body in Christ is a fulfillment of interdependence.

i'd have to think about the "afraid of codependence" part, but imo you are right on the money here. Unfortunately it is hard to even get a working definition of Codependence, at least it was for me as a raging codependent; and that is what i've observed in others? Mostly in First-World others. This what i was (poorly i guess) trying to relate to @Naomi25, and i see a tag from her coming up here in a minute.

Codependence is "i have to wear this sweater Auntie made or bought for me even though i hate it bc she is coming over," and "this sweater would look good on him, so i'll make it/buy it," which there is nothing wrong with that, except if you would be "hurt" that he hates it or gave it away, something like that. It is a way to protect one's ego i guess, while appearing to be caring about others. It is a way to stay in the Holy of Holies and make oneself into God, or rather keep oneself as God, as that is where we pretty much all start i guess, believers particularly. Which is counter-intuitive, at least to me.

Of course anyone can say that they are dependent on God, or that they are doing God's will, or i guess even that they "know," but imo even saying these things is likely a marker, especially said a certain way, as if there were no doubt at all?

 

[bbyrd009]

But He is alive. Here is my struggle: one) I don’t really know what you mean so maybe I have misunderstood and turned it into something else. Two) We follow an alive Christ.

"We" do? Who is "we" there, ViJ? in the context of this v i mean; "Narrow is the path, and few there are who find it."
and i guess this asking who we is comes across as chiding or something to ppl, which i don't really mean;
i mean examine who you have assumed is following Christ, in this case.
Doesn't mean you are wrong, you might very well be right, and there is obv some "we" that follows Christ, right, even if they are only a crowd of two or something lol, and i'm prolly not one of them.

arg, i guess i'm not being very clear. See how you are using "we" there to justify yourself? Dang, which is coming out wrong too lol, what i mean is you might be following Christ, you certainly strike me as a follower of Christ, but i dunno about this "We." And you don't owe me any explanations either ok, the point is to challenge the assumption yourself

 

[bbyrd009]

It was the devil taunting, “I nailed Him to the cross...and there He stayed.” Which is the biggest lie of all.

biggest truth of all, imo. gave me goosebumps lol. Guess we'll have to talk about this one some more huh. What first comes to mind is a crucifix, the antichrist symbol of Jesus worship, ezackly what satan wants and Christ does not want, even though it totally seems like such a decent and respectful way for all of we worms to honor God or Christ, huh.

 

[bbyrd009]

You keep quoting “pick up your cross” how long are we suppose to carry it? Endlessly? Did Saul get a new name? did Jacob? “To worship” is like “master” depends on the angle from which it is viewed. “Worship” which simply means to adore is not evil when HE who is being worshipped is the very definition of love. Not man’s definition of love. But One that serves and lifts up others. Love that restores. Love that transforms and transcends time. Love that stops wars. Love that overcomes darkness and sin.

tag for later

i'll be challenging the def of "worship" there, mostly is it passive or active i guess

and i meant to Quote the v about "eating at home" in the "love feasts" thing earlier, and i guess i Quoted the wrong v, sorry, juggling balls right now which i detest.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

"We" do? Who is "we" there, ViJ? in the context of this v i mean; "Narrow is the path, and few there are who find it."
and i guess this asking who we is comes across as chiding or something to ppl, which i don't really mean;
i mean examine who you have assumed is following Christ, in this case.
Doesn't mean you are wrong, you might very well be right, and there is obv some "we" that follows Christ, right, even if they are only a crowd of two or something lol, and i'm prolly not one of them.

arg, i guess i'm not being very clear. See how you are using "we" there to justify yourself? Dang, which is coming out wrong too lol, what i mean is you might be following Christ, you certainly strike me as a follower of Christ, but i dunno about this "We." And you don't owe me any explanations either ok, the point is to challenge the assumption yourself

The "we" is a hopeful we. I'm short on time this morning and can't look up all the verses to support but: You asked who are those feeding themselves, spots, clouds without rain, twice dead and plucked up by the roots. (paraphrasing there)… the ones that say "did I not prophesy in your name and cast out demons" and He says "I never knew you".

I see them in my life; people that claim His name but don't seem to know Him in action. The Corinthians are a good example which Paul rebuked constantly for their lack of love … yet Paul consider the Corinthians as the "we" of brethren. If I am being honest, after you pointed out that passage yesterday...I'm even wondering if it is me and maybe I am the one that needs to be plucked up by the roots. So, the "we" is a hopeful we.

To "be plucked up by the roots" is confusing. Is it good or bad to be plucked up by the roots IF what is plucked up is planted in furtile ground? To be plucked up by the roots Luke 17:6 "And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you." (Luke 17:6) The word says there is a time to pluck up and a time to plant. A time to destroy and tear down and time to rebuild. I can't tell you with confidence who the "we" are or if I am included, but I can tell you of the hope. The word tells us there are those when planted will never be plucked up again. "and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:28). I would say this is the "do you not have tables at home"? the ones He said, "I will come in and sup with you." Nothing could be "planted" before the Light came into the world or it only bore thistle. Nothing could be "planted" before there was a furtile ground to plant. Every word that proceeds out from God, speaks of that light that came into the world. It is He that paved the way for us to walk in. It is He that even makes possible the "pick up your cross and follow me."

 

[bbyrd009]

Well then what do you mean to imply?

well Naomi, imagine telling that little kid who hurt himself "I can't hear you." And i should have said they consider us insane, not you specifically, sorry

 

[bbyrd009]

You keep quoting “pick up your cross” how long are we suppose to carry it? Endlessly?

you have not yet sweat any blood, right. so, staying with a theme here, we have no probs "bearing a cross" for our kids, right, it's everyone else that that practice becomes tougher with. And bearing a cross is not codependence, even if they might appear to be similar. Unfort i am at a loss as to how to describe the diff to someone who does not already have a good def of Coda. The best i might do is bearing the cross = "i must decrease" whereas codependence = "i must be God."

 

[bbyrd009]

Did Saul get a new name? did Jacob?

yes, great point, i guess i assumed on the timing of the "new name" there

 

[bbyrd009]

“Worship” which simply means to adore

One that serves and lifts up others.

note the contrast? Fwiw "worship" and "adore" are not the same word in Scripture; but "worship" and "fear" are!

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm sorry...either you're fishing here, or I just cannot take you seriously.

this below does not strike you as a pertinent observation there?

Don't we generally recognize that dispensations differ bc we have changed, not bc God has?

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes, it is 'ridic' when the child is human and the parent is God. You are still trying to make God understandable, human-like or bound to human rules and expectations.

i don't get this Naomi, bc yesterday you were assuring me that God would run to the little kid and empathize with him/her, weren't you? Now it is me who is trying to make God understandable? I'm arguing that God does not grieve in the manner humans usually do

 

[VictoryinJesus]

tag for later

i'll be challenging the def of "worship" there, mostly is it passive or active i guess

and i meant to Quote the v about "eating at home" in the "love feasts" thing earlier, and i guess i Quoted the wrong v, sorry, juggling balls right now which i detest.

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Why? Because to fear God is to hate evil and turn from it. This we were created to do.

The other night I watched a documentary on the Egyptians...the artwork is amazing. But I was very disturbed by the ritual of burial even going as far as breaking(bashing) the jaws of the deceased and what teeth fell out in the process was shoved in the throat of the corpse. For belief that the corpse would need those teeth in eternity. Afterward, a documentary came on of Arthur and the nights of the round table...equally disturbing. A sword in a stone that no one can pull out but Arthur to conquer. And the search for the Holy grail...a cup. I get what you mean about "worship" especially worship of the symbolism rather than God. I'm still searching for where God said "get your own salvation." Please show me the verse and consider Corinthians 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

Among the definition of love: "seeketh not her own" now consider the examples: Paul said he wished to be cursed for his brethren(those of his flesh)… Moses. "seeketh not her own" but seeketh for another. As long as we are obsessed with maintaining self-salvation, we are not fit for (the kingdom) to love another. Consider all the times God says, do this for: my great name sake. Heard it for a long times as a tyrant so concerned with image and maintaining a good name. But that is not what I hear at all anymore, not a tyrant concerned with image, but His "great name's sake" is for the advancement of another...us. To preserve His mighty name...to glorify His name...it is us (hopeful).

The advancement of another … that is the Father … the Son revealed. (If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.)

Maybe we will just disagree on "worship" which could simply mean to give thanks.

 

[bbyrd009]

So his choices and our choices must, very necessarily, be a word apart. Do you see?

um, yes, you talked me right into it Naomi :)

 

[bbyrd009]

Wow. Just. Wow.

well, do you have any evidence to the contrary Naomi? Hard to respond to this, sorry. Bam quote one of them from me and let's go see!

the Son of Man has no place to lay His head, and God can take care of them too i guess Naomi

all the ones that we don't feed i guess, apparently hugely less than even just 100 years or so ago though...wow, i guess even 50 years ago

sharply down in long-term trends also

take your pick

 

[bbyrd009]

Wait. Let me get this straight. You brush away child prostitution, homelessness, starvation and severe persecution, but you object to me saying you live a pretty good life?

who is brushing them away? i said they were either sharply in decline, or at least being prosecuted and condemned now, as compared to like yesterday, relatively speaking. Iow things are not getting worse as you and most others and the MSM say, except perhaps since Trump took office.

 

[bbyrd009]

The simple fact is that while these things may be 'publicly condemned', the growth in the population means that numbers alone mean more children are suffering, more Christians are dying now, in this Century, than ever before.

horse puckey, as your searching for evidence will illustrate i guess. You are just repeating what the talking heads are lying to you about wadr