Endless Pet Doctrines

[Helen]

I think ive looked up ‘wadr’’ at least 5 times and i still cant remember what it means. Then, after looking it up, i realize ignoring acronyms is always a good bet (agb), because it using stands for unnecessary phrases.

Haha!! It means -"With all due respect" ...but like you...I am always forgetting what they all mean too. :)

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

@Nancy

https://theinterviewwithgod.com/video/

 

[bbyrd009]

Baptized with fire. To go into the fire and to not quench the burning up of the stubble. To die each day. The inward man being renewed while the outward man perishes. To be Elohim ...first, doesnt His presence have to be there? Is the presence not the fire? But if the Son was not resurrected unto life, how are we?

bc the spirit goes back to God, Who gave it, and you get a "new name" i guess. Plus i never said that we are not "resurrected" in the manner that church teaches, even; i do not know. But i doubt it, mostly bc the part of us that is separate from God is the part we seem to worry about getting "immortality" or not, right? This describes a person who has not died to self, doesn't it?

also, the Son has been physically gone for 2000 years now, and we are still talking about Him, right? Millions or billions more seeking to follow Jesus now than when He was..."alive," huh. Let the dead bury the dead
see, our definitions are simply being manipulated

 

[bbyrd009]

Awesome post @Naomi25
BTW-this gal is totally co-dependent on Him :)

wadr if you understood the def of Codependent you would not say that i guess. When we pick up our crosses i'm pretty sure that is becoming interdependent rather than codependent, and i could even make the Scriptural case if anyone cares, at least i think i can.
Codependence is not a healthy or viable MO, at all, unless we are talking about goldfish or something.

 

[bbyrd009]

That would be his shorthand...I still have a hard time now and then deciphering Mark's posts, lol.

i apologize again then, to all, but what this means is that i will have to post less here in order to accommodate anyone who cannot be bothered to highlight/search an acronym that i personally learned on a Christian forum site (wadr). Which come to think of it might be wildly popular i guess
y'all take a poll or something if you want and lemme know lol
or i am happy to explain myself, or how to do a manual highlight/search for non-Chrome users

 

[Nancy]

@Nancy

https://theinterviewwithgod.com/video/

Sweet! :)

 

[bbyrd009]

Do you mean the “twice dead, plucked up by the roots;”?

well, i was asking if the verse has been translated into a common contemporary scenario yet to...your mind, or whatever. The beginning of the verse particularly, who are these people today, in your opinion

 

[Nancy]

wadr if you understood the def of Codependent you would not say that i guess. When we pick up our crosses i'm pretty sure that is becoming interdependent rather than codependent, and i could even make the Scriptural case if anyone cares, at least i think i can.
Codependence is not a healthy or viable MO, at all, unless we are talking about goldfish or something.

I have no problem with picking up my cross, because He gives me the grace to face anything...I trust Him completely, I'm 60 and take care of myself and my house...if not for Him...think I probably would have had to walk away from my mortgage...He gave me such a peace about it and, as usual He came through, by natural means and blessed me abundantly! AFA :)) codependent...am not speaking about the extreme, excessive depencence as with a person, partner...He is my only provider and, I trust Him with EVERYTHING! ♥

 

[bbyrd009]

5 times and i still cant remember what it means.

I am always forgetting what they all mean too.

i'll do my best to refrain for you guys, but you gotta know these are clues that you should be paying attention to, right. Forgetting is a sign

 

[Nancy]

i apologize again then, to all, but what this means is that i will have to post less here in order to accommodate anyone who cannot be bothered to highlight/search an acronym that i personally learned on a Christian forum site (wadr). Which come to think of it might be wildly popular i guess
y'all take a poll or something if you want and lemme know lol
or i am happy to explain myself, or how to do a manual highlight/search for non-Chrome users

Meh-already spend enough time looking for scriptures!!! I can for the most part...figure them out :)

 

[Helen]

i apologize again then, to all, but what this means is that i will have to post less here in order to accommodate anyone who cannot be bothered to highlight/search an acronym that i personally learned on a Christian forum site (wadr). Which come to think of it might be wildly popular i guess
y'all take a poll or something if you want and lemme know lol
or i am happy to explain myself, or how to do a manual highlight/search for non-Chrome users

NO! A thousand times no...do not post less.
I have pretty much got your 'speak' down okay...and if I can't get a word, I do at least understand it via the context of the post.

You do just fine...

 

[Nancy]

NO! A thousand times no...do not post less.
I have pretty much got your 'speak' down okay...and if I can't get a word, I do at least understand it via the context of the post.

You do just fine...

Ditto-I would miss the MarkSpeak,,,hahaha

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Plus i never said that we are not "resurrected" in the manner that church teaches, even; i do not know. But i doubt it, mostly bc the part of us that is separate from God is the part we seem to worry about getting "immortality" or not, right? This describes a person who has not died to self, doesn't it?

What part would that be?(down in corruption, raised incorruptible.) “This describes a person who has not died to self, doesn’t it?” The same could be said for the “world”, but we are to inherit the earth.

 

[Enoch111]

Codependence is not a healthy or viable MO, at all, unless we are talking about goldfish or something.

You got that right. Codependency is quite unhealthy. Here is how it is defined: excessive emotional or psychological reliance on a partner, typically a partner who requires support due to an illness or addiction.

Further clarification is provide here: "Consider codependency—when two people with dysfunctional personality traits become worse together. Enmeshment happens when clear boundaries about where you start and where your partner ends are not clearly defined...by focusing their lives on the sick or the bad behavior and by making their own self-esteem and well-being contingent on the behavior of the unhealthy family member.”

 

[aspen]

Haha!! It means -"With all due respect" ...but like you...I am always forgetting what they all mean too. :)

i apologize again then, to all, but what this means is that i will have to post less here in order to accommodate anyone who cannot be bothered to highlight/search an acronym that i personally learned on a Christian forum site (wadr). Which come to think of it might be wildly popular i guess
y'all take a poll or something if you want and lemme know lol
or i am happy to explain myself, or how to do a manual highlight/search for non-Chrome users

Nothing personal, bb - i like your posts.

 

[aspen]

Bbyd - you mentioned interdependence - it is a term that is not used enough when describing the Christian life. We are so afraid of codependence that we forget that we need each other and the idea of being one body in Christ is a fulfillment of interdependence.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

the Son has been physically gone for 2000 years now, and we are still talking about Him, right? Millions or billions more seeking to follow Jesus now than when He was..."alive," huh. Let the dead bury the dead
see, our definitions are simply being manipulated

But He is alive. Here is my struggle: one) I don’t really know what you mean so maybe I have misunderstood and turned it into something else. Two) We follow an alive Christ. I had a dream once, beautiful poetry that repeated in my sleep. I can’t remember it or couldn’t tell you if it is something I’ve heard before but forgot where...I’ve looked for it. All I know is I didn’t write it. I couldn’t have. It was the devil taunting, “I nailed Him to the cross...and there He stayed.” Which is the biggest lie of all.

You keep quoting “pick up your cross” how long are we suppose to carry it? Endlessly? Did Saul get a new name? did Jacob? “To worship” is like “master” depends on the angle from which it is viewed. “Worship” which simply means to adore is not evil when HE who is being worshipped is the very definition of love. Not man’s definition of love. But One that serves and lifts up others. Love that restores. Love that transforms and transcends time. Love that stops wars. Love that overcomes darkness and sin.

 

[Naomi25]

well Naomi, i dunno, but "play" is in the Bible like twice as often as "redemption." i gotta say "choose your own adventure" lines up better with "seek your own salvation" and "beautiful are the feet" to me than "death, more abundantly." i mean i would not want to put God in a box, but "Come Out" and your thing line up pretty good too, huh?
So wadr imo it is worth considering at least, yes. As maybe like a facet or something; a time for everything
with the God needing to choose again now. Isn't the choice something we need to do? Don't we generally recognize that dispensations differ bc we have changed, not bc God has?

I'm sorry...either you're fishing here, or I just cannot take you seriously. I think, on this particular issue, there will be no agreement, or even understanding reached, so I might side-step it, and drop it.

is it? I'd have to restate the declaration a couple diff ways and think about it;
to try and link a child's choices to their parent's choices is ridic?
hmm

Yes, it is 'ridic' when the child is human and the parent is God. You are still trying to make God understandable, human-like or bound to human rules and expectations. He is not some magical sky fairy or great and powerful human wizard. He is God, a being so far beyond our comprehension and most definitely not human. To link the choices he makes to the choices we make cannot work.
All we can do, when trying to know God, and know how he thinks and acts, is to look at scripture and put together what it tells us. So, that parent analogy is not bad, in terms of loving relationship, but when you try and take it a step further in regards to how God thinks and acts, it falls down. It falls down because in making choices, it comes down to reasoning, knowledge and understanding, wisdom of the situation...things like that. God is all knowing and all powerful...we are...not! So his choices and our choices must, very necessarily, be a word apart. Do you see?

 

[Naomi25]

"Honey, we're killing the kids," but i don't mean to imply that God does not care Naomi, not at all. Just that He is not codependent like we now are. No offense, but if your scenario there were played out in much of the world you would be considered insane, believe it or not; i'll try and find a decent illustration. As you pointed out earlier, This Ain't No Party, Naomi. "When that day comes, I will not hear your prayers" is not a joke

Well then what do you mean to imply? Honestly, bbyrd, talking to you is like taking a trip down the rabbit hole. Half the time your cryptic one sentence rejoinders don't make sense, the other half the time is seems you say something that you then back-tack on and say you 'didn't really mean', or 'don't really disagree', or something. It makes it well nigh impossible to chat with you and sometimes I wonder if you do it deliberately....can anyone be consistently that confusing?I mean, truly...If I were to lay out, in order, the messages I've received from you about God and his intentions/thoughts/plans....would they make sense, or would they chase their tail around and around?

well i am not talking of God when i mention Coda, but you make good points here imo! "I will not hear your prayers in that day" suggests backing off the "ludicrous" a bit, to me, but hey thank God for ppl who disagree :)
yes, we are codependent upon God i guess, in a sense anyway

but i wonder if God does not wish us to become more interdependent on Him, too

"I will not hear your prayers in that day"

You seem very intent in resting your argument on a single verse. Should you not consider it's context, and how many times God does listen to the prayers of his people? And what it took for that time he said he would not?
If we read it in context, we can see that it is not a verse we can apply to every believer in every situation. It had a specific time and occasion. It was because the Israelite people had disregarded their promises to be faithful in such a way, that God was punishing them. It is an OT and Old Covenant issue. God had promised them that should they break their promises, the covenant curses would come upon them. God cannot lie, so punishment came. Does this mean we apply this particular rule and situation to ourselves now? No, we are under the New Covenant. And even back then, when the people repented and cried out to him, he heard their prayers once more.

i thot the observation was pertinent, so i'm not quite getting this. Plus you seem to go on to affirm it after this snip?
so i'll have to review i guess

You just seemed to be trying to have an either/or scenario. Either God controls everything and we have no choice, or we have free choice and God is left dangling in the wind running after our choices.
Biblical truth paints a picture that is hard for us to comprehend, but is true non-the-less. God allows us free choice in matters, but also controls history. That is why we make conscious decisions, like accepting Christ, and yet scripture tells us that it was God who chose us before the foundation of the earth.

how short a time ago was it that that was accepted practice, Naomi? By your own ancestors, toward the Aborigines? At least it is condemned now, yes? Publically i mean. Huge progress imo

Progress is not the issue. The issue is whether, as you say, we live in a "miracle", or if we live in a world that is effected darkly by sin. That this world holds beauty is not in question. It can still reflect what it once was in the garden before we broke it. But the effects and consequences of sin that have been with us since that time? How on earth can you try and dismiss it by saying that at least it is publicly condemned? Do you think that comforts the 12 year olds? And does it matter where in the world the crime is committed? Australia, America, Asia, Middle East. The simple fact is that while these things may be 'publicly condemned', the growth in the population means that numbers alone mean more children are suffering, more Christians are dying now, in this Century, than ever before.

the Son of Man has no place to lay His head, and God can take care of them too i guess Naomi

all the ones that we don't feed i guess, apparently hugely less than even just 100 years or so ago though...wow, i guess even 50 years ago, hmm

sharply down in long-term trends also

Wow. Just. Wow.

ah, you might be surprised there, i dunno, i mean i get you well enough, but i don't live that life much anymore Naomi
i'm pretty much at the center of a storm, in a sense anyway

Wait. Let me get this straight. You brush away child prostitution, homelessness, starvation and severe persecution, but you object to me saying you live a pretty good life? You are right, of course, I know nothing about you. But...do you have food, mostly? A bed? You clearly have access to a computer. Are you forced to barter your body for any of those? To flee from your home because of the threat of death? Do you lie awake at night worrying about your wife and daughter being raped, your son being killed or drafted into an ugly war? Of being burned alive?
If you said yes to any of those, then I am sorry. But if you say no, then allow me to suggest your priorities need a shift.

not disagreeing, but the progress should not be ignored either imo. The cries of those hurting should be directed toward God imo, Who can deliver them if they call; unless they choose to stick with their king of course. So wadr i don't see how this peering in can do anything but present a false dichotomy, like the MSM does.

Aren't we supposed to be the ones declaring the Good News?

You do realize that God uses his people to not just spread the Good News, but to care for the persecuted, sick, lonely, homeless, etc. That would be you. And me. The bible tells us that we are to love them, especially the vulnerable. We don't just shrug them off and tell 'em to pray to God and he'll deal with it. No! He "deals" with it by sending his people. And it troubles me greatly that you don't see that.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

"seek your own salvation"

I really want to know what this means to you? Is that what God says? And please don’t quote “pick up your cross”, your overlooking One went (goes) before you.