Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

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ABSOLUTELY True


If you are referring unauthorized access via manipulation of scripture and/or adding to scripture what it does not say, then you are correct.

Interesting way to term it 'unauthorized access'. The great thing is we, as His children, have authorised access to Father through Christ. We can go into the most holy place, the inner sanctuary and meet with the Almighty anytime, 24/7, no appointment necessary. We can approach Him with full confidence and boldness because the Lamb of God has purified us of all uncleanness.

And now that we are priests of God we don't have to fear being struck down dead before and by our holy God. This is awesome! What a joy it is to have such unlimited, unrestricted access to Him Who sits on His throne and refer to Him as our Abba Father!

Yet there are hidden nuggets of truth that are revealed to us by the Holy Spirit = these nuggets DO NOT reaarange scripture or change teh intended meaning from God's heart to us.
EXAMPLE: Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

Concealed by God for us to search it out.
These nuggets of truth will speak of the Lord Jesus Christ and give glory to God.
Shalom

Yes, ask, seek and knock. I ask of Father, seek what I am searching for in and from Him and I guess I don't knock so much theses days, I just go into His throne room as He has an open door policy, with me anyway, as His child.

 

[David in NJ]

Interesting way to term it 'unauthorized access'. The great thing is we, as His children, have authorised access to Father through Christ. We can go into the most holy place, the inner sanctuary and meet with the Almighty anytime, 24/7, no appointment necessary. We can approach Him with full confidence and boldness because the Lamb of God has purified us of all uncleanness.

And now that we are priests of God we don't have to fear being struck down dead before and by our holy God. This is awesome! What a joy it is to have such unlimited, unrestricted access to Him Who sits on His throne and refer to Him as our Abba Father!

Yes, ask, seek and knock. I ask of Father, seek what I am searching for in and from Him and I guess I don't knock so much theses days, I just go into His throne room as He has an open door policy, with me anyway, as His child.

Please share with me what occurs when you "go into His throne room"

 

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Of late, the most enjoyable experience of consciously being in Their presence is when I went before Them and before Them was a pool of what looked like water. They invited me to take a drink. So I did. Then They invited me to get into the water. I waded around in it and They said have a swim and drink. After, having become conscious of my physical surroundings, the inner peace, hope and love for my Creators continued for hours, even longer.

This helps me understand Paul's experience of his God, our God. Yes, setting our mind on things above where Christ is seated beside His Father, Paul's Father, our Father in heaven.

 

[David in NJ]

Of late, the most enjoyable experience of consciously being in Their presence is when I went before Them and before Them was a pool of what looked like water. They invited me to take a drink. So I did. Then They invited me to get into the water. I waded around in it and They said have a swim and drink. After, having become conscious of my physical surroundings, the inner peace, hope and love for my Creators continued for hours, even longer.

This helps me understand Paul's experience of his God, our God. Yes, setting our mind on things above where Christ is seated beside His Father, Paul's Father, our Father in heaven.

OK
Thank you for sharing.
Now i SEE

 

[One 2 question]

OK
Thank you for sharing.
Now i SEE

You're welcome.

What's your experience

Eph 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Heb 10:22

 

[David in NJ]

You're welcome.

What's your experience

Eph 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Heb 10:22

Eph 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Heb 10:22

SAME

HalleluYAH

 

[Phoneman777]

I know for a fact that, there have not been any new Apostles or Prophets appointed by God in the past 2000 years, so I must assume that you are deceived.

The "Spirit of Prophecy" is one of the Holy Spirit gifts to the church and we know there were prophets in the NT, even Philip's four daughters.

Can you explain what Paul meant by saying "so that you come behind in NO GIFT, waiting for the coming of the Lord"?

It seems "come behind in no gift" means "not lack any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit" while we await the coming of Jesus.

 

[David in NJ]

The verse says "He will tell you what is yet to come", this prophesy was fulfilled. When the Holy Spirit revealed what is to come to the Apostle John on the isle of Patmos.
So that's what Jesus was referring to regarding "telling us what is yet to come". Now everybody knows what is to come because it was revealed to us 2000 years ago, so you're saying that He kept some things back from John and revealed to yourself. This is unacceptable, because it means that you have usurped the office of an Apostle.

I know for a fact that, there have not been any new Apostles or Prophets appointed by God in the past 2000 years, so I must assume that you are deceived.

The fact that you look outside of the bible for anything, shows that you have strayed away from the safety of the flock and the Shepherd. A rouge sheep is the most venerable creature of all, especially when a hungry lion gets wind of it. I would urge you to come back to the safety of the flock, before you are devoured.

I know for a fact that, there have not been any new Apostles or Prophets appointed by God in the past 2000 years, so I must assume that you are deceived.

including @Phoneman777

It would be more accurate to say:

a.) There are only 12 Apostles who were DIRECTLY appointed by the LORD - "face to face" and AUDIBLY from JESUS

b.) the LORD did NOT appoint any apostles after the 12 = see point (a)

c) One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is that of "prophecy" = Acts and 1 Corinthians

d) The "gift of prophecy" does NOT add to God's words but will ONLY confirm "It is written" AND for encouragement to the Body.

e.) Revelation and Hebrews chapter 1 confirms that ALL prophetic Utterance from the FATHER has been COMPLETED.

Question for you and @Phoneman777:
What OT prophecy spoke of Revelation, declaring that when MESSIAH fulfills "all things", prophetic Utterance from the FATHER will be COMPLETED?

 

[Christian Soldier]

The "Spirit of Prophecy" is one of the Holy Spirit gifts to the church and we know there were prophets in the NT, even Philip's four daughters.

Can you explain what Paul meant by saying "so that you come behind in NO GIFT, waiting for the coming of the Lord"?

It seems "come behind in no gift" means "not lack any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit" while we await the coming of Jesus.

The gifts to perform miracles and of prophecy, healing, casting out demons etc. were only given to the Apostles.
Those gifts were used to prove that Jesus is the Almighty Jehovah God, Creator of all things, and that there is no other Name under heaven by which a person is saved by.

After the martyrdom all of the Apostles, except one John, there was no need for anyone else to ever be given those gifts again. Because we have something better than they had, we have the gospel which is the power to save, to heal, to cast our demons, to perform miracles and to do all kinds of other great things.

So the difference between us and the Apostles, is they were given the power and authority to do those things directly. But we have no power or authority at all. Born again believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, so it's not us at all and it' all of Him. He performs miracles through us and He does everything else through us, we are just empty vessels for Him to use for His glory.

Nobody should ever think that they are something special, we are nothing and He is everything. We have the complete canon of scripture, so we are blessed above all previous generations. The Apostles and the Prophets never had what we have, we know far more than they ever did, so we are blessed beyond measure.

 

[Christian Soldier]

including @Phoneman777

It would be more accurate to say:

a.) There are only 12 Apostles who were DIRECTLY appointed by the LORD - "face to face" and AUDIBLY from JESUS

b.) the LORD did NOT appoint any apostles after the 12 = see point (a)

c) One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is that of "prophecy" = Acts and 1 Corinthians

d) The "gift of prophecy" does NOT add to God's words but will ONLY confirm "It is written" AND for encouragement to the Body.

e.) Revelation and Hebrews chapter 1 confirms that ALL prophetic Utterance from the FATHER has been COMPLETED.

Question for you and @Phoneman777:
What OT prophecy spoke of Revelation, declaring that when MESSIAH fulfills "all things", prophetic Utterance from the FATHER will be COMPLETED?

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

This verse says, "knowledge shall be increased", so it may be referring to the time when John received the final revelation from the Lord Jesus Christ.

There was another OT Prophet who God revealed some things to, and He told him not to write down something that God held back. From memory the prophet saw heavenly creatures and it sounded like he looked into the heavenly realm.

 

[David in NJ]

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

This verse says, "knowledge shall be increased", so it may be referring to the time when John received the final revelation from the Lord Jesus Christ.

There was another OT Prophet who God revealed some things to, and He told him not to write down something that God held back. From memory the prophet saw heavenly creatures and it sounded like he looked into the heavenly realm.

@Phoneman777 included with us

EXCELLENT Scripture but it is not the one that declares when all 'spoken/written' prophecy is completed.
CLUE: Notice how it says "seal the Book until the time of the end" = this is REVERSE Order of what we are seeking to answer the question

i will tell you this = you are 'HOT on the Trail'

Let us look at Daniel 12:4

"many shall run to and fro" = i believe = is speaking of advancement of transportation

a.) Large Steam driven ships that carried hundreds of people at once in greater speed and safety
b.) trains
c.) Airplane
b.) Automobile/Trucks
c.) Large Airplanes with speed and distance
d.) All of the above at faster travel speeds then ever experienced

"knowledge shall be increased" = i believe = is speaking of the accelerated rate of communications by which people learn from one another
a.) telegraph
b.) phone
c.) Internet
d.) wireless

All of which came about in the last 200 years!

 

[David in NJ]

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

This verse says, "knowledge shall be increased", so it may be referring to the time when John received the final revelation from the Lord Jesus Christ.

There was another OT Prophet who God revealed some things to, and He told him not to write down something that God held back. From memory the prophet saw heavenly creatures and it sounded like he looked into the heavenly realm.

There was another OT Prophet who God revealed some things to, and He told him not to write down something that God held back. From memory the prophet saw heavenly creatures and it sounded like he looked into the heavenly realm.

That OT prophet would be Ezekiel who was actually a priest of Israel.

 

[David in NJ]

The gifts to perform miracles and of prophecy, healing, casting out demons etc. were only given to the Apostles.
Those gifts were used to prove that Jesus is the Almighty Jehovah God, Creator of all things, and that there is no other Name under heaven by which a person is saved by.

After the martyrdom all of the Apostles, except one John, there was no need for anyone else to ever be given those gifts again. Because we have something better than they had, we have the gospel which is the power to save, to heal, to cast our demons, to perform miracles and to do all kinds of other great things.

So the difference between us and the Apostles, is they were given the power and authority to do those things directly. But we have no power or authority at all. Born again believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, so it's not us at all and it' all of Him. He performs miracles through us and He does everything else through us, we are just empty vessels for Him to use for His glory.

Nobody should ever think that they are something special, we are nothing and He is everything. We have the complete canon of scripture, so we are blessed above all previous generations. The Apostles and the Prophets never had what we have, we know far more than they ever did, so we are blessed beyond measure.

To the Credit of @Phoneman777

@Christian Soldier

Would you please read Acts chapters 1 & 2 and after your do that short read, please read 1 Corinthians chapter 1

Read, Pray, Meditate, Give Thanks - and we will discuss your thoughts tomorrow

SHALOM

P.S. - God tells us to meditate on His word!

 

[Christian Soldier]

@Phoneman777 included with us

EXCELLENT Scripture but it is not the one that declares when all 'spoken/written' prophecy is completed.
CLUE: Notice how it says "seal the Book until the time of the end" = this is REVERSE Order of what we are seeking to answer the question

i will tell you this = you are 'HOT on the Trail'

Let us look at Daniel 12:4

"many shall run to and fro" = i believe = is speaking of advancement of transportation

a.) Large Steam driven ships that carried hundreds of people at once in greater speed and safety
b.) trains
c.) Airplane
b.) Automobile/Trucks
c.) Large Airplanes with speed and distance
d.) All of the above at faster travel speeds then ever experienced

"knowledge shall be increased" = i believe = is speaking of the accelerated rate of communications by which people learn from one another
a.) telegraph
b.) phone
c.) Internet
d.) wireless

All of which came about in the last 200 years!

With all of our advancements, man has remained just as depraved as he ever was.
The secular gurus tell us that we are heading for a golden age of enlightenment, while the bible speaks of the coming tribulation.

I notice the prophecy says "knowledge shall be increased", it doesn't say "wisdom shall be increased". Not all knowledge is good,, God has kept many things form us because He doesn't want us to know them. Just as a parent keeps their children from watching violent or sexually explicit movies.

God forbids fortune telling and witchcraft, because we have enough evil to deal with today, so why heap tomorrow troubles on top of todays. Some think that God is not fair because He doesn't tell us everything we want to know, so they consult demonic spirits to find out what they want to know. I personally don't want to know the future, because it may be terrible so why live in dread of the future, yet many still want to know regardless.

 

[One 2 question]

With all of our advancements, man has remained just as depraved as he ever was.
The secular gurus tell us that we are heading for a golden age of enlightenment, while the bible speaks of the coming tribulation.

I notice the prophecy says "knowledge shall be increased", it doesn't say "wisdom shall be increased". Not all knowledge is good,, God has kept many things form us because He doesn't want us to know them. Just as a parent keeps their children from watching violent or sexually explicit movies.

God forbids fortune telling and witchcraft, because we have enough evil to deal with today, so why heap tomorrow troubles on top of todays. Some think that God is not fair because He doesn't tell us everything we want to know, so they consult demonic spirits to find out what they want to know. I personally don't want to know the future, because it may be terrible so why live in dread of the future, yet many still want to know regardless.

The future is looking very good. It depends on how far into the future we see.

Revelation is up to the Spirit to reveal when He is instructed to give it.

No wonder readers of the bible see a future filled with troubles, that is terrible and causes dread.

I'm so glad that the Spirit has shown me the future beyond tribulation, judgement and punishment. A future where the love of our Creators extends to all, reaches all, restores all, redeems all, reconciles all which They have made in all of Their creations. Now this is the gospel, the fantastic news that will replace all bad news. In fact, there will ONLY be good news! I can't wait to enjoy what They have in store for us.

 

[Christian Soldier]

The future is looking very good. It depends on how far into the future we see.

Revelation is up to the Spirit to reveal when He is instructed to give it.

No wonder readers of the bible see a future filled with troubles, that is terrible and causes dread.

I'm so glad that the Spirit has shown me the future beyond tribulation, judgement and punishment. A future where the love of our Creators extends to all, reaches all, restores all, redeems all, reconciles all which They have made in all of Their creations. Now this is the gospel, the fantastic news that will replace all bad news. In fact, there will ONLY be good news! I can't wait to enjoy what They have in store for us.

Jesus is angry with the wicked every day, He is storing up wrath until He returns to take revenge on those who don't know Him as their Lord and Savior.

Jesus is coming back as a Man of War, to kill billions of men women and children and unborn babies. He promised that their blood would run like a river and it will be 5 feet deep.

Jesus would slaughter every man woman and child, if those days weren't shortened for the sake of His Elect. It sounds like you don't want to think about how horrific the future is going to be, and He could return at any moment, with His Legion of Angels, ready for the blood bath.

You can put your head in the sand and pretend that Jesus is coming back as a meek and mild long haired hippie, but you've got another thing coming.

 

[One 2 question]

Jesus is angry with the wicked every day, He is storing up wrath until He returns to take revenge on those who don't know Him as their Lord and Savior.

Jesus is coming back as a Man of War, to kill billions of men women and children and unborn babies. He promised that their blood would run like a river and it will be 5 feet deep.

Jesus would slaughter every man woman and child, if those days weren't shortened for the sake of His Elect. It sounds like you don't want to think about how horrific the future is going to be, and He could return at any moment, with His Legion of Angels, ready for the blood bath.

I don't necessarily disagree with you here. Yet if I were to push the stop button here then I would miss the rest of the movie.

The time of tribulation is likened to a woman giving birth. The birth pains are only the early stage of this wonderful event. If the midwife abandoned the expecting mother at this stage then both the mother and child are at risk of dying.

I'm certainly not going to choose to be short-sighted when I've been given revelation of the longer term.

The expectant family look forward to the birth of the new child. They make provisions for it. They have a vision and plans for their new addition.

All who have been judged, sentence and imprisoned will come to their senses and like the prodigal son will remember their former life from which they came. They will repent, return home and find mercy and grace from their Creator.

What a hope we have beyond the tribulation, judgment and punishment. The hope of seeing the love of the Creators for ALL of Their creations.

You can put your head in the sand and pretend that Jesus is coming back as a meek and mild long haired hippie, but you've got another thing coming.

Jesus is the King of all kings and the Great High Priest over all creation. He is the Lamb of God Who died for all. Whose blood cancels all sin.