Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed
- Thread starter Phoneman777
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Christian Soldier
Well-Known Member
Apart from being stunned, what else are you trying to say. What happens when the bible is not understood. Please calm down and try to make some sense. What have the JW's Mormons done to you, to upset you so much.
Taken
Well-Known Member
Very Good commentary… UNTIL…
No.
Read your own chosen quote, you use to Verify “all mankind will be saved”…
The Caveat…is IF not will or shall
In brief…
Mans life is his BLOOD.
Once a mans LIFE (BLOOD) is dead, his OPTION to be SAVED has expired, his Offered SALVATION forfeited.
SALVATION IS an Offering, and IS the individual mans OPTION to freely accept it or freely reject it.
God IS Just. He forces no one to Believe IN Him or accept His Offering.
ALL bodies of manKIND SHALL die, MUST die, God Requires the LIFE of man. (Gen 5:9)
Some men freely choose to give their LIFE unto God…(crucified with Christ)…called a living sacrifice…and immediately receive their SALVATION….and thereafter redeemed by Christ. (1 Thes 4: 15, 16, 17)
Some men choose to give their LIFE unto God…during the last days tribulation…(martyrdom)…and upon their death…they receive their SALVATION…and thereafter redeemed by God. (1 Thes 4: 14)
AND some…refuse even to their dying breath, and they be damned…(forever separated from God)…their body and soul destroyed. (Matt 10:28)
Glory to God,
Taken
Where is the false religion in these scriptures?
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24
Dear Taken
The teachings of the New Covenant are taught "here a little and there a little". Christ teaches in this manner so that there is room for unconverted believers like you to mix in their false beliefs into the places where the verse is silent.
To know if all mankind will thirst for righteousness and be saved, you need to look at other verses of scripture to answer this question rather than adding to the verse as you are doing.
Below are some of the verses that teach whether or not all mankind will thirst for righteousness and be saved. They are very clear in what they teach.
1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.
2Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Since you falsely believe that salvation is limited to this age and that salvation comes to mankind only when person exercises their supposed free will ability to make a choice for Christ, you have no choice but to reject the scriptures I presented above. If you were to accept the truth that these verses teach, your worldly paradigm of Christ would be destroyed - which you will not allow.
Salvation is not limited to this age.
This age is only for the harvesting of the "first fruits" who were chosen to be the heirs to the promises made to Abraham. The balance of mankind who were not chosen for this honor will go to the Lake of Fire in the next age. The Lake of Fire is not literal fire. It is a spiritual symbol for judgment by the Law which Christ will administer. In the Lake of Fire, the "lost" will all eventually be saved by Christ. In that way, all mankind will be saved but only the Elect will receive the rewards of being an heir.
1Cor 3:13 Every man's work (all mankind) shall be made manifest: for the day (Day of the Lord) shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward (reward of life during the age and reigning with Christ in the final age). 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED, YET SO AS BY FIRE (the Lake of Fire).
When Christ administers the judgment to the "lost" in the Lake of Fire, He will NOT omit justice, mercy and faith during their judgment as you and the Pharisees would do.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Before the "lost" perish in the Lake of Fire, Christ will have MERCY upon them. He has mercy upon them because of His grace (unmerited favor) and not because of anything the lost person does. Christ's mercy will come to them in the form of the Early Rain of the Spirit which will give them FAITH. Because of their newly received faith, the pathway for Christ to come to them a second time will be made straight. When Christ comes, He will pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit which will give the person a new birth as a child of God. Since the child of God is without sin, Christ will remove them from the Lake of Fire and gather them to heaven. The child of the Devil will remain in the Lake of Fire for destruction. This will satisfy JUSTICE. Joel chapter 2 teaches this time of judgment and salvation in the Lake of Fire. You should read it.
What I have described above is the conversion process which gives a person their salvation. The Elect are presently being converted in this age. The balance of mankind will be converted in the final age. After the last person of mankind is converted, mankind will cease to exist but the Kingdom of Heaven will be that much fuller.
After Christ's work of saving mankind is complete, it will be testified to be true that Jesus Christ is truly the Savior of the world - just as His Father commissioned Him to be.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Joe
CS
HOW did @JLB abuse God's word??
All he did in post 1073 was to post two verses straight out of the Bible.
YOU need to calm down.
And then read the verses for yourself.
You'll find that the words are the same in all versions.
Taken
Well-Known Member
Nothing new, as I have said numerous times.
False Accuser GASLIGHTER!
Your speech is unworthy of my time.
Dear Taken,
You say that you have said "here a little and there a little" numerous times but you have no understanding of the full scripture from which that phrase is taken:
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them (the converted Elect) that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes, unconverted believers) precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward (back to man's works/religion), and be broken (lose their salvation), and snared, and taken (they become a man of sin in the apostate church).
After Christ has converted a person, they will no longer be a "babe" who draws from the breasts. After their conversion, they will become a little child in the Kingdom of Heaven who is ready to grow into adulthood.
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
After an unbeliever is given the Early Rain of the Spirit, they will have a measure of faith and certain spiritual gifts, but they will remain carnally minded, spiritually blind and unconverted. In this condition, they are "babes" who cannot understand the spiritual teachings of the New Covenant. While in that condition, Satan will come to the new believer and deceive them. After Satan does, the new believer will "fall backward, and be broken, and snared and taken". This spiritual process which makes a new believer "worse than the first" (Mat 12:43-45) has happened to all new believers since Paul's "departing" (Acts 20:29-31). It cannot be avoided. I experienced it before I was converted just as you are experiencing it now.
Because all new believers will fall away and become apostate, it is necessary for Christ to "come again" and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit upon them. This event will then be immediately followed by the Day of the Lord/judgment to remove the chaff from within the believer. However, in this age, Christ is only coming back to His chosen Elect. After Christ comes, the fallen away Elect believer will be converted and restored to God. This is the point when they are "drawn from the breasts" and no longer need milk. As "little children" in the Kingdom of Heaven, they are ready to consume bread, meat and New Wine (knowledge and doctrine) to start their maturing process. This is possible now because their spiritual blindness was healed (Mark 8:15-25) when they received the Latter Rain of the Spirit. After they have received sufficient nourishment, they will become a perfect man of "full age" who can now consume "strong meat":
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Joe
Christian Soldier
Well-Known Member
Christian Soldier
Well-Known Member
I have no quarrel with any verses of scripture, it's when people abuse the scriptures that causes an issue. JBL has been pushing a works based gospel and twisting those verses to make them say that He is going to be saved by his works.
- Jan 14, 2015
- 8,121
- 2,764
- 113
- Faith
- Christian
- Country
- United States
I don't see why anyone reading my posts with their eyes open can't see that what I mean by "alarm" is not "scared to death" or "frozen with fear"...I mean "aware of clear and present danger all around us".
The church is being overrun with foolish liberals who "can't see" what's wrong with what the Bible warns us to avoid: booze, weed, fornication, willful disobedience...and the clear and present danger of wicked "associations" aka "secret societies" which vainly build machinations which God promises to destroy in the end.
Taken
Well-Known Member
Here's my question to you:
You state above that God has perfect compatible perfect justice.
What is justice?
You also state that God does some things for some people and not for others.
So, in your opinion, what do the following verses mean?
Acts 10:34-35
So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.
1. God shows no partiality.
2. ANYONE who fears God and does what is right is ACCEPTABLE to Him.
Two statements that speak AGAINST calvinism.
And, BTW, syntax is syntax.
Context is context.
You use neither.
Dear Taken,
What I said was you deny what Isa 28:9-12 teaches on how the church became apostate shortly after Paul's death.
No believer is excluded from starting their walk in Christ as a "babe" - and because a babe cannot understand knowledge or doctrine, they will "fall backward, and be broken, and snared and taken". And that is why Christ said that after He gives a person the Latter Rain of the Spirit and heals their spiritual blindness, they will see the Abomination of Desolation. When they see this sign of the times, judgment will fall on them to remove the spirit of anti-Christ and the Great Harlot (their worsened carnal nature/marred spirit/wicked heart/Old Earth).
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains (judgment typed by Lot).
After a person is given the Early Rain of the Spirit, they become the temple of God. After the spirit of anti-Christ enters the new believer, the Abomination of Desolation occurs. No new believer can avoid experiencing the apostasy because Christ says it will happen to all new believers shortly after they receive the Early Rain of the Spirit (Mat 12:43-45). Christ even describes how deceptive Satan's lies are just a few verses later in chapter 24:
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
If a believer has not seen the Abomination of Desolation that occurred within themselves, then they are still spiritually blind and under the influence of Satan. The only way a believer can know that they are deceived is after they have come out from the deception. While they are under the deception, they cannot know it. That is the nature of being deceived and is why Christ made His statement in verse 15.
If the apostate believer is one of the Elect, Christ will return to them and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit. After they see the Abomination of Desolation, judgment will fall. Christ will then "take" the spirit of anti-Christ and the Great Harlot from within the Elect believer and cast them into the Lake of Fire to be destroyed. This event is shown in verses 38-41 (also in Rev 19:20):
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field (represents one believer); the one shall be taken (spirit of anti-Christ), and the other left (the Holy Spirit). 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill (represents one believer); the one shall be taken (the Great Harlot), and the other left (new spiritual nature of the Holy Spirit/New heart/New Earth).
The story of Noah's flood teaches the same message that the story of Lot teaches. They both represent the judgment that an Elect believer goes through to remove the chaff from within themselves. It happens shortly after they realize they have been under Satan's influence in the apostate church. After this judgment is complete, the believer will be converted into a child of God.
Also, notice that both the man and the woman are shown to be in a place of "work". That represents that they are still approaching Christ by their own "works" and as a result, they are still under the Old Covenant of Law. But after the spirit of anti-Christ and the Great Harlot are removed from within them, they will only approach Christ by "faith", trusting Him to provide for all their needs.
What I have explained above is what you do not understand. It takes spiritual vision to understand and receive it. Until Christ comes and heals a person's blindness, they will remain apostate - they have no choice in the matter.
Joe
Last edited:
You can make a book out of a paragraph.
Unfortunately, none of it is scripture,
but your very own opinions.
What can be more man-centered than a religion/denomination that came into existence 1,500 YEARS after Jesus ascended?
And which teachings DID NOT EXIST before then....
Augustine.
Yes.
A former gnostic Manichaen who brought his gnostic beliefs along with him when he decided to join the CC.
And with whom NO EARLY CHURCH FATHERS agreed with.
If you'll notice the anti-nicene fathers did NOT teach anything of what Augustine taught.
You could study up on this.
If would behoove you.
There were gnostic writings being circulated, which convinced some, and which the Apostle John knew about and made great effort to combat, see
1 John 2:18-19
18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
19They went out from us, but they were not really of us;
Many believe this to mean that the deserters were not born again....
if you notice John clearly states who they were:
ANTICHRISTS.
GN OSTICS that had infiltrated the church.
CALVINISM HAS GNOSTIC teachings.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
2 Peter 3 tells us to “grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” This is not referring to physical growth like you might see from a plant. Rather, this passage is referring to spiritual growth and growing closer to God.
Wait... what? I don't even understand what you're saying I stated...
I said, "Love and hate ~ in both Malachi's and Paul's contexts ~ are not emotions, they are actions. And they have to be perfectly compatible with His perfect justice." Yes. And, "God does things for certain people, and he does not do those things for others, and sometimes God does things for those other people that he does not do for the certain people. Certainly, as the Creator, He has the right to do ~ or not do ~ so." And certainly, I stand by that.
LOL! I guess to this I'll just say ~ as was my insinuation ~ that what we think of as just may or may not be truly just from God's perspective. His thoughts and ways are much higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9)...
I mean, you're answering your own question here, and of course I do ~ and any good Calvinist would ~ agree...
Well, they do not in any way speak against Calvinism, but it might be interesting to know your reasoning behind making that assertion, but surely you would not refute what Moses and Paul, who are both quoting God, say, that God "will have mercy on whom (He has) mercy, and (He) will have compassion on whom (He has) compassion”... and therefore "has mercy on whomever He wills, and ...hardens whomever He wills." You might remember what Elihu told Job about God's justice, that He "shows no partiality to princes, nor regards the rich more than the poor, for they are all the work of his hands." And also what Paul says in Romans 2, that "There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality." Even Jesus says God "makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust" (Matthew 5:45). Peter's words in Acts 10:34-35 are in that very same context.
Sure, but how that is or was relevant in the context you brought it up is... puzzling. :)
That it is, but it can be misunderstood or... changed into something it's not, from time to time.
Well that would be to say then that nothing I say makes any sense whatsoever, which is ridiculous in and of itself. I still don't really even understand what you mean by correct or incorrect syntax (I don't even think you do, quite frankly)... But regarding Paul's context and that of other Bible writers, in at least some instances I don't buy into your selling of the contexts you think they have.
I can be a bit wordy in my responses, yes. Guilty as charged. :) But sometimes it is necessary. :)
In... your opinion. :)
Ridiculous, as shown above...
God uses all kind of people to do what He does... and even to maintain the integrity of His Word... The credit for that really goes to the Holy Spirit, but still...
Might be a bit interesting to know who you are referring to as "early church fathers"... But of course you offer nothing to back up what you're saying, which is not surprising. At any rate, we're talking about Paul and Peter and the other Bible writers, and what they wrote and their contexts in so doing. Scripture, GodsGrace. The Bible. God's Word.
"Anti-Nicene fathers"... Not sure what you mean by that. If you mean the "fathers" who believed and taught contrary to the Nicene Creed, the sure. The Nicene Creed, GodsGrace, is a Christian statement of faith that is the only ecumenical ~ of/relating to/representing the whole of a body of churches; promoting/tending toward worldwide Christian unity or cooperation; worldwide/general in extent/influence/or application ~ creed because it is accepted by the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and major Protestant churches. So just to your statement here, if they were "anti-Nicene," yes, they probably, at least generally speaking, didn't teach what Augustine taught, but rather... un-Christian things... :)
Ah. :) Well, we think the same of each other here, then, too... :)
Sure, there were some false "gospels" being circulated...
Interesting... I don't think John was talking about gnosticism, but he was talking about false teaching and unbelievers in general. I would strongly disagree that "Antichrist" and "Gnostic" are absolute synonyms, and rather say that an antichrist is anyone who opposes Christ Jesus, and that opposition, while it is what it is, can take many forms.
To what you say here particularly about 1 John 2:19, yes, I very much do understand John to mean here that those who fall away, or "were once Christians but are no longer Christians," were never born again of the Spirit in the first place, they were never true believers in Christ, and that if they had been, they would have stayed in the faith and remained Christians... "they were not really of us," which is necessarily to say they were not born again of the Spirit. It is the clear teaching elsewhere in the Bible ~ and there has been much discussion regarding this in this thread; "perseverance of the saints" has been discussed here ~ that, well:
- "He (God) Who began a good work in you will..." ~ will, not 'might' ~ "...bring it to completion at the day of Christ." (Paul, Philippians 1:6)
- "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to His great mercy, He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (Peter, 1 Peter 1:3-5).
- "Now to Him Who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of His glory with great joy, to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen" (Jude 24-25).
No, but you're certainly welcome to your opinion. :) Very succinctly, though, regarding Scripture itself and salvation itself, Gnostics claimed (and claim) hidden knowledge as the basis for salvation, which clashes violently with anything John Calvin ever taught.
Thank you, Ritajanice. Yes, I think there are some here who need a little insight into what Gnosticism really was (and is)...
Grace and peace to all!
Last edited:
Taken
Well-Known Member
You repeating your allegation, does not prove your allegation.
You elaborating on your position, does not prove your allegation.
Prove it.
Dear Taken,
I proved it by God's Word. It is up to Christ as to whether or not you can receive it.
At this time, you are only seeing men "walking as trees" - just as all believers do who have only been given the Early Rain of the Spirit.
Can you understand the spiritual meaning of men "walking as trees"? It is a second witness to what Isa 28:9-12 teaches. The phrase comes from Mark 8:15-25 which I will explain below.
Mark 8:15 And he charged them, saying, take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod. 16 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, it is because we have no bread. 17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? 18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember? 19 When I broke the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve. 20 And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? And they said, Seven. 21 And he said unto them, how is it that ye do not understand?
In the verses above, Christ is giving His disciples a lesson on the spiritual language of God's Word - His language:
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
At this point in time (before they were converted at Pentecost), the disciples had received the Early Rain of the Spirit but had not yet received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Latter Rain of the Spirit). And because of such, they were still spiritually blind and could not understand the spiritual language of Christ.
Christ ends His comments above by asking the disciples this question: “How is it that ye do not understand?” No response from the disciples is recorded in scripture. However, Christ answers His own question in the very next four verses.
Mark 8:22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. 23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. 24 And he looked up, and said, I SEE MEN WALKING AS TREES. 25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.
Since Christ is the Word of God, He teaches us not only through His words which are recorded in scripture but also by the things that He did. In answering the question that He proposed to the disciples in verse 21, Christ goes to Bethsaida and gives us His answer in type by the healing of a blind man.
In verse 23, Christ leads a blind man out of the city. Once outside the city, Christ places spit on his eyes and touches him with His hands. These actions occur as the blind man is looking down which symbolizes the carnal aspect of His healing. Christ does not have to tell the blind man to look down, the blind man just does it naturally. The spit (water) symbolizes the blind man receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit with its accompanying vision (carnal understanding). This event represents the time when an unbeliever is called out from the world and enters the church.
After Christ asks the man what he could see, the man looks up and says that he could see men "walking as trees". "Walking as trees" is a spiritual symbol for called out believers who walk by sight (the flesh, carnal nature) rather than by faith & the Spirit. The man’s blindness was not total any longer but he was still very near-sighted and could only see Christ carnally. Paul stated that this near-sighted type of understanding will only allow a believer to see "Christ and Him crucified" (1Cor 2:2). This means that the new believer can see Christ's physical work that He did under the Old Covenant, but Christ's spiritual work that He is presently doing under the New Covenant will remain blurred.
This first healing of the blind man reflects the true spiritual condition of a new believer when they first enter the church. At this time, the believer is left carnally minded and spiritually near-sighted. They can see a little, but that only opens the door to Satan's carnally based deceptions - deceptions which each new believer will readily accept due to their carnal nature still being in control of them (Mat 12:43-45, Mat 24:24 & Luke 5:39).
For a carnally minded and spiritually blind believer (Early Rain only), the Old Wine still tastes better than the New Wine:
Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desires the new: for he says, The old is better.
The Old Wine represents the Old Covenant which is based on the works of man. The New Wine represents the New Covenant which is solely based on the spiritual works of Christ.
Peter says that this near-sighted condition is the same as being blind:
2Pet 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Peter makes this statement because the believers to whom he was addressing were mixing their own works with faith. They were still preferring the Old Wine.
In the final verse of the story of the blind man, Christ lays His hands upon the man’s eyes again, but as He does, Christ has the man look up instead of down. This second healing represents the Latter Rain of the Spirit when true spiritual vision is given to a believer. The man’s upward gaze represents the spiritual aspect of the healing in contrast to the carnal aspect when the blind man was looking down at the earth.
From that moment onward, we now know that the blind man is a type for a called AND chosen believer who has received BOTH the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit (James 5:7-8). The man has been given eyes that can see spiritually ("drawn from the breasts" Isa 28:9). From his new ability to understand God's Word, he will then come out from Satan's deceptions and will begin walking by faith. He will be included in the resurrection of the First Fruits and will receive the reward of life during the ages.
Joe
Taken
Well-Known Member
Load of crap.
PROOF of your ALLEGATION, WOULD BE MY OWN TESTIMONY OF “DENIAL”.
Now you are preaching….”WHAT I SEE”…
And your non-Scriptural “Early Rain of the Spirit”….
I am not “subject to your hokey pokey nonsense” or “your phony accusations”.
I don’t know you.
Yet You think yourself qualified to make unmerited false accusations…
I have ZERO interest in your foolishness…
Try this on for size….
Ex 20:
[16] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Similar threads
