amigo de christo
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most of the time the better something tastes is due to all the junk they added in to enhance the flavor
to increase the sales .
And believe you me just cause something feels good , SURE DONT MEAN IT IS .
Easter Celebrations are Worship of the Sun
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to increase the sales .
And believe you me just cause something feels good , SURE DONT MEAN IT IS .
Ronald Nolette
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Which is very sad. salvation is based solely on trusting in the death and resurrection of Jesus for your sins.
Saturday worship is solely for Israel and the jews as a sign between them and God.
Exodus 31:12-17
King James Version
12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Dan Clarkston
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If you have scripture to support these unbiblical practices... post them up.
Make your case from what God has already said in His Word.
Ronald Nolette
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So do you call the days of the week by their normal names seeing how you as Yahwehs spokeperson says it matters so much to HIm?
God approved people eating meat sacrificed to idols even!
1 Corinthians 10:25
Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
He also told people don't worry what you eat or whether or not you observe "holydays" or not!
Romans 14
King James Version
14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
If ytou have a problem with your weak conscinece as Paul said about the names of days and months and holidays, then do not use the names or celebrate! You are free to not use them as others are free to use them.
You still haven't learned it is not the external that matters but the internal that God lo0oks at!
Take Christmas for instance. It is loaded with symbols started by pagan celebrations. But if one is celebrating the birth of the Savior there is nothing wrong! There is no inherent wrong with a Christmas tree, easter bunny, roses on Valentines day or call Thursday thursday. what Unless of course you are doing so in order to worship a false God. but if you are living in teh world but are not of teh world but seek to honor God in your heart, calling Thursday, thursday is no sin or offense to Yahweh!
YOu have fallen into teh same deception that the 1st century Jewish believers did when teh gentiles were getting saved and adapted many practices to worship the True god.
Grailhunter
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Are you an authorized spokesman for the Holy Spirit?.....I don't think so because I talked to the Holy Spirit this morning and he said all Christian holidays are holy days for God and Christians and families and anybody that speaks against them is going to hell.....don't forget the barbeque sauce. See ya would not want to be ya!
You want to go round this one again? I thought you were done with deflections.
Much love!
ScottA
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Correction: Easter celebrations "were" worship of the sun.
Ask a thousand people it they celebrate Easter as worship to the sun or in remembrance of Jesus. Some may say, "Neither", but you would be hard pressed to find any who would say "the sun."
That is because the early church fathers called for it to be a celebration of Christ, rather than a pagan celebration...and that has been what Christians have been celebrating ever since. Which means that as far as Christians are concerned, the old pagan practices are simply antient history...and digging it up again is like digging up racism after the Civil War, Civil Rights movement, and modern society for the most part becoming blind to it, if not celebratory and admirable toward our racial differences--most have learned to love one another.
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Dan Clarkston
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I see so.... you have no scriptures for this.
You are the one deflecting to try and cover up the fact that
the Lord never instructed anybody to celebrate Christmas or Easter
Better luck on the next topic of discussion bub!
Again . . . nor did God, in the Scriptures, tell anyone to celebrate Hannukah, just the same, they did, and Jesus was there also.
In the Scriptures God tells us through Paul, one keeps this day, or that day, another keeps no days, and each has the freedom in Christ to do so.
You sit over those who have liberty in Christ to celebrate these days unto the Lord, and you sit over them in judgment, to elevate yourself in your own mind. Best of luck to you with that!
Actually, no, you should stop it. You should not condemn those whom God does not condemn.
And if you want to go round and round and round, about, It's not in the Bible, I'll keep bringing you back to Hannukah, and you can ignore it again and again if that's what you want to do.
Or you can accept the reality that we have liberty in the Lord to keep this day or that day unto the Lord. You can accept that some, it seems you, have a problem with liberty in Christ, and want to steal that away from those who are free in Jesus.
It's time to get on the right side of this question.
Much love!
Dan Clarkston
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Hanukkah is a Jewish festival commemorating the recovery of Jerusalem and subsequent rededication of the Second Temple at the beginning of the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucid Empire in the 2nd century BCE
Much different from how many who claim to be Christians view celebrating Christmas and Easter.
Most of these people believe it's a sin to not celebrate Christmas and Easter and believe anyone not celebrating Christmas and Easter are unbelievers.
Christmas and Easter have become idolatry
I'm simply pointing out that it's a waste of time to get all bent out of shape about Christmas and Easter seeing that the Lord never directed anybody to celebrate these pagan days...
Just like today being so called "ash Wednesday".... only the idolators are are smearing dirt on their foreheads believing it pleases the Lord and believing those not observing ash Wednesday are sinners who are lost.
You should not idolize Christmas and Easter
Hanukah wasn't started by pagans and the Jews didn't make an idol out of Hanukah claiming one must celebrate Hanukah to be accepted by the Lord.... which is what many claim Christmas and Easter
Therin lies the problem with Christmas and Easter... those celebrating these pagan holidays believe they are superior to those that do not.
I have liberty to not be subservient to meaningless pagan holidays
Yeah, you need to get with God's program and go by what
He teaches in His Word... and let this paganism stuff go.
And you have liberty to make loaded but meaningless comments such as this one. Subservient? Where did you get that from? It's no more meaningful than if you were just throwing rocks, and maybe that's your intent regardless.
After 3 decades on forums, I've learned a long time ago when someone is trying to score points for themself, and that's what it comes down to. Some feel the need to build themselves up in their own eyes and sit in judgment over others as if they had the right, as if they were qualified, judging others on things God declares in no uncertain words that we have liberty. Maybe the impetus is the lack of a better argument, who knows?
Why you choose to reject such a clear statement of Scripture, I cannot say, only that it's clear to me you do in fact reject it. So in your supposed 'Scriptural' judgmentalism of others, you put yourself squarely against plain Scripture. Go figure!
OH, and I suppose it would be appropriate to warn you . . . stop calling upon pagan gods as you call out the days of the week. God will not abide your false worship of false gods! Right?
Much love!
Taken
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Easter Celebrations are Worship of the Sun
Anciently under Gods direction…
Birthdays were not observed.
Death days were mourned.
No one kept track of days of sobriety.
Seasons denoted planting and harvesting.
Hebrews / Israel kept Feast days Traditions.
Stars guided Travelers.
Anciently men worshiped, the Sun, Moon, statutes, objects, factious beings and men as their gods.
So Anciently…did men plant and harvest, notice the majestic stars, planets, sun? Sure.
Historically, the birth CHRIST the Lord is remembered for His Arrival, His Offerings, His Works, His Grace, His Wisdom, His Promises, His Death, His Departure.
Families, Friends, Strangers gather in remembrance of His Birth, and all He Stands For, including charity.
Family, Friends, Strangers gather in remembrance of His Death.
I have no issue with such gatherings to include charitable gifts being given to others, as God Himself has provided the means for one to give to another, and partake in His Remembrance, with joy for all He Stands for.
If one worships the Sun, their prerogative.
I worship the Son, as is my prerogative.
FREEWILL.
Glory to God,
Taken
Aunty Jane
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If you are going to use Hannukah as an excuse to celebrate Christmas and Easter, then perhaps it has a bearing that, if Jesus did not condemn it, it must be OK with God for Jews to hold an annual occasion to celebrate a victory over a pagan takeover and desecration of the most holy place in Jewish life. It wasn’t something “borrowed” and renamed as a celebration that originally honored false gods. Using that is a very weak excuse.
The justification amazes me…the lengths people will go to to hang on to what God clearly condemns.
2 Cor 6:14-18….ESV…
”Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said,“I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,and I will be their God,and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst,and be separate from them, says the Lord,and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you,and you shall be sons and daughters to me,says the Lord Almighty.”
What part of this passage of Scripture do those who call themselves “Christians” not understand?
No “partnership”, “fellowship”, “accord” “sharing” or “agreement” with false worship.
Rather than embrace what is clearly unacceptable to God or his Christ, we are told to “separate” ourselves from what is spiritually “unclean” to God. And as demonstrated with the gentiles, none could come to Christ and bring the trappings of their false worship with them. To become disciples of Christ Jesus they had to leave all their false religious ideas and practices behind.
If we want God to welcome us as his “sons and daughters” then we have to ditch those things that satan has introduced into our worship that clearly do not belong, no matter how much we enjoy all the stuff that we know is definitely of pagan origin.…..What do the eggs and rabbits of Easter have to do with the death of Christ? They are fertility symbols of the goddess whose festival they have adopted. If you think that doesn’t offend God then you don’t really “know” him. (John 17:3)
We are to “touch nothing unclean”. All false worship is “unclean” to God.
“A rose by any other name smells as sweet”…..but garbage, regardless of what you call it, still stinks.
This is not point scoring…..it is information that people need to evaluate, and their conclusions will determine their future as “sons and daughters” of the Almighty….or not.
amigo de christo
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reader beware of this my freind . do you realize that many even within christendom itself
are heeding seducing spirits , NOT THE SPIRIT . but you can bet they believe its the HOLY SPIRIT .
reader beware there are even many withinchristendom that have so called chrisanized a whole lot
that GOD IS NOT WELL PLEASED WITH .
We do realize many can preach another as well as follow another jesus .
MUCH DECEPTOIN has come upon this people and boy they sure think its all of GOD too .
only it aint coming FROM GOD , but rather he who can quoate scrips but twists them to fit a lie , to do and to pratice evil .
And it sure aint new . BUT MAN has it got much worse and more so in these last years .
Beleive me when i say , many can use the name of JESUS but it sure dont mean they know or follow HIM .
They come to decieve and boy can they please the hearts of those who love to have it so .
BUT the sheep , YEAH WE WONT HEED A WORD ONE outta they lips .
Aunty Jane
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Taken said:
There is only one observance commanded for Christians…..the memorial of his death. (1 Cor 11:23-26)
Since Jews did not celebrate birthdays because of their connection to astrology, no one celebrated their birthday…so Jesus did not celebrate his own birthday, which we know was not recorded in Scripture. Dates were important to Jewish religious life, but not a single birthdate is recorded for any servant of God. What does that tell us? No one knows the date of Christ’s birth….don’t we have to ask why?
Yes, it’s all about free will, and putting into practice the things we have learned. But if we learn that something is displeasing to God, no matter how much we might like the trappings that go with it, it will be sacrificed because of our conscience. If we continue to practice what we know is unacceptable to God, then how can we complain about the consequences. We disqualify ourselves because of those choices.
As the Scriptures reveal….free will can be a blessing or a curse, depending on how it is used.
This is what was put to Israel from the beginning….
“I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.” (ESV)
Our choices are “life or death” depending on how well we observe the workings of our God-given conscience. Our treacherous heart will justify what God condemns.
Jer 17:9-10…NLT…
”The human heart is the most deceitful of all things,and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is? But I, the Lord, search all heartsand examine secret motives.I give all people their due rewards,according to what their actions deserve.”
Our actions will either save us….or condemn us…..we must choose carefully.
I was answering his objection, not making excuses.
Like usual you have misrepresented my post.
Not interested.
Much love!
Aunty Jane
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You used Hannukah as an example of something that was not commanded, but not rejected….did you not?
I simply exposed the falsehood behind such reasoning.
I didn’t expect you to be “interested”…..but you are not the only one reading these exchanges…
You are excusing what God condemns….as you see nothing wrong with Christendom’s adoption of all things pagan and grafting “Christianity” over what God tells us to “separate” from, as “unclean” in his eyes…..he was there when the originals were celebrated and this is the reason why he forbade Israel to adopt the ways of the nations. (Deut 18:9-12)
Like I said . . . I was answering the other fellow's objection. Are you aware of what his objection was, and how my post answered that? If you believe there is a falsehood in that reasoning, then understand that applies to the other fellows objection as well.
Fact is . . . arguments from silence are simply empty of substance.
Much love!
Do you get a special kick out of making such malignant statements? Are we to suppose both bitter and sweet flow from that mouth?
Much love!
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