Dream And Vision Interpretation

[VictoryinJesus]

The terms "false gods" and false prophets" don't mean that they aren't real but that they teach falsehoods. Behind every false god is a demon spirit, and sometimes they would manifest themselves to their followers, or the priests of the religion. This is why you see depictions of them on the walls of Egyptian temples, being half man half animal. This is a classic description of the way demons appear when they manifest, and we have modern accounts of those who have been taken into the spirit realm and seen the same thing. They are a particular class of demon associated with false religion.

Now, the idols that were made to represent them certainly have no life in them. But the "god" behind them was real, just as demons are real.


Actually, if you read the accounts of church historians from the 2nd century like Irenaeus, Simon actually had tremendous power, and went on to do far worse after the incident in Acts where Peter confronted him for being "subject to gall of bitterness, and the bond of iniquity" (references to being in bondage to demons). He went on to become a far worse magician, and even practiced levitation (if you believe the accounts). But there is little in the Acts account that suggests he was not a genuine sorcerer even during that time.

But if you are worried that they possess more power than God or God's servants, No. They do not.


Well, you're describing very low grade magick here, LoL. But does strong demon-enforced magick have real power? Yes, over the unbeliever, because demons are set to work on that person's life, mind and circumstances. But the Christian has protection from such things, so long as they are truly walking close to God and not just playing religion in order to get by. This is why the seven sons of Sceva ran into real trouble when they were trying to cast out that demon, yet it was not a problem for the Christians.


I don't really understand your last question. But asking questions is not a problem. These questions are pretty basic so far.

Thank you. Like Acts 16:16
[16] And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

The last question was just basically the same in, are they real. Which you answered already. I’ve never given much attention to it but last night was traumatic. Whatever it was, it seemed real enough that I could describe him in detail. But then again when I was in my twenties I would dream about a huge spider every night and watch as it would dig into the floor and disappear. I would get up and move furniture looking for it so sure it was real and not my imagination. Finally I stopped dreaming about it.

My husband had a dream one night that he was setting corpses up on an altar; lining them up. Four I think. How do you know when a dream is just a dream, or something more?

 

[Helen]

@VictoryinJesus
They are 'real' as much as angels are real.

They are not human if that is what you mean..they are demonic.

A long time ago when my kids were still at school.
My husband had left for work. I rolled over for another 40 winks.
(I didn't know that I dreaming) My husband came back into the bedroom all smiles...leaped on the bed and started having sex with me...I tried to fight him off...my husband smells lovely, we all have our own scent....half was through I
Knew something was wrong..I pushed him upward and then saw the face..it was not my husband at all the face had changed into a demonic face.
I started then claiming the power of the blood and the name of Jesus..and then woke right up, shaking. It has terrible. Horrible ,evil, disgusting spirit.

I had more or less forgotten about it , it was so many years ago in the 70's but I remembered it when I read about the witchdoctor.
Spirits will come at us in any form that they can...but we do have authority over them. ✟

 

[Hidden In Him]

My husband had a dream one night that he was setting corpses up on an altar; lining them up. Four I think. How do you know when a dream is just a dream, or something more?

I'm learning that it is something akin to discerning of spirits. I have interpreted for people who were aspiring Christians but had pasts that were steeped in occult involvement and demonic oppression, and many of those demons are still there and influencing their dreams and thoughts. It's just something you sense over time. One characteristic you will often see with demonic dreams is that there is no message; no encouragement or warning. You're just being terrorized. This is a trademark sign that it's not coming from God.

As for soulish dreams, this is where things can get confusing. But again there will be a sort of witness or confirmation that there is nothing there, and not because it is too strange (this can often be a good sign, not a bad one), but that it just doesn't witness to you. I have a younger sister who I saw posting dreams rather nonchalantly on one Forum, and since she wasn't posting in the normal place where interpretations can be offered, I sort of took it upon myself to see if she wanted help, so I sent her a conversation. I now view that as a bit of a mistake on my part. There was a REASON she was not doing like most others do and posting a dream specifically asking for help because they sensed it was somehow important. You see, this is the witness of the Spirit operating within the believer telling others that they think it is from God.

Let's just put it this way: If something is really from God and highly important for some reason, you will get a witness about it. If not, it may not be that big a deal even if it is, so not to worry. And if all it does is terrify you, put it in the trash can. It's not from God but from the enemy.

 

[Hidden In Him]

@VictoryinJesus
They are 'real' as much as angels are real.

They are not human if that is what you mean..they are demonic.

A long time ago when my kids were still at school.
My husband had left for work. I rolled over for another 40 winks.
(I didn't know that I dreaming) My husband came back into the bedroom all smiles...leaped on the bed and started having sex with me...I tried to fight him off...my husband smells lovely, we all have our own scent....half was through I
Knew something was wrong..I pushed him upward and then saw the face..it was not my husband at all the face had changed into a demonic face.
I started then claiming the power of the blood and the name of Jesus..and then woke right up, shaking. It has terrible. Horrible ,evil, disgusting spirit.

I had more or less forgotten about it , it was so many years ago in the 70's but I remembered it when I read about the witchdoctor.
Spirits will come at us in any form that they can...but we do have authority over them. ✟

Yes, and I would say this goes back to what I was saying about stepping on the enemy's territory somehow. I believe God allows such things to let us know the war is real. Even if such things take place in the spirit, they are very real to us, so such encounters drive us to arm ourselves against the evil powers that are trying to oppose us in the directions God is leading us to go in.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus
They are 'real' as much as angels are real.

They are not human if that is what you mean..they are demonic.

A long time ago when my kids were still at school.
My husband had left for work. I rolled over for another 40 winks.
(I didn't know that I dreaming) My husband came back into the bedroom all smiles...leaped on the bed and started having sex with me...I tried to fight him off...my husband smells lovely, we all have our own scent....half was through I
Knew something was wrong..I pushed him upward and then saw the face..it was not my husband at all the face had changed into a demonic face.
I started then claiming the power of the blood and the name of Jesus..and then woke right up, shaking. It has terrible. Horrible ,evil, disgusting spirit.

I had more or less forgotten about it , it was so many years ago in the 70's but I remembered it when I read about the witchdoctor.
Spirits will come at us in any form that they can...but we do have authority over them. ✟

Thank you for being so vulnerable and sharing your experience to help me. No dreams last night.

 

[amadeus]

Last night I was sleeping soundly and dreamed. I was with about five other men who were in a definite order inside a building lit only by the large open double door near us. All of us were ministers of God of some kind. I was the very last one in line, but the line was not a line anyone looking would be able to see. as being a line. I could not see the faces of the others except for the one who just in front of me. He was without a doubt James Arness, the man who acted the part of Matt Dillon in the old western TV series: Gunsmoke. His eyes were the only eyes I could see in the dream although I could not tell you their color.

There had been others ahead of us who had already gone. They had apparently gone out the door with whoever it was that had imprisoned us or wanted to imprison us. I did not see them leave but I knew of them and probably would have recognized some if I were to see their faces.

When they were taken outside the building through the large door into the daylight a sharp instrument, perhaps a knife or a razor blade, was applied to each of their two eyes. The blade was moved across the center of each eye deep enough cause blindness. There was no blood. If there was pain none of them expressed it by any sound or movement that I could perceive. They stood in place each in his turn quite still while the blade was applied to each eye and then they walked away out of my sight.

Mr. Arness moved ahead of me and received his two cuts and then it was my turn. There was no one in line behind me.

My turn: They walked me out and had me stand to receive my cuts. I was deeply stirred and concerned, but I prayed silently for God to be with me. I closed my eyes and put my hand behind me and waited for the blade.

I woke up.

That the dream relates to our "eyes to see" as per scripture I am certain [Proverbs 29:18 is a verse I use quite frequently here and elsewhere], but more than that is only conjecture on my part. That I woke up before the blade touched me is significant I am also certain. A story that I also refer to frequently concerns the man whose eyes were touched twice by Jesus before he could see clearly [Mark 8:22-26]. I suspect that it is also closely related to my dream.

 

[Helen]

Wow John...that is quite the dream.
Yes, for sure about "vision".

It will be interesting to see if @Hidden In Him has anything to add here.

I've always been told that with dreams or visions..they are firstly for the person, then secondly for the Body.
So I believe this is more than just a 'personal word'.

 

[Triumph1300]

Amazing dream!

 

[Helen]

Yes, I hope that @Hidden In Him notices it too.

He hasn't given us an update lately on his 40 day fast. Not that he has to!! :)

He must be in about day 15 now. Hope he is being wise. ;)

 

[amadeus]

Wow John...that is quite the dream.
Yes, for sure about "vision".

It will be interesting to see if @Hidden In Him has anything to add here.

I've always been told that with dreams or visions..they are firstly for the person, then secondly for the Body.
So I believe this is more than just a 'personal word'.

Other than this posting here, I have only told my wife. Other than thinking it relates somehow to our current local church troubles I am do not know. God knows.

 

[Hidden In Him]

A story that I also refer to frequently concerns the man whose eyes were touched twice by Jesus before he could see clearly [Mark 8:22-26]. I suspect that it is also closely related to my dream.

Yes!

Thanks for posting, John (Helen calls you that so I will too ). The above passage is at the heart of this message, as is the scales falling off Paul's eyes to represent that he would now have true spiritual sight.

Last night I was sleeping soundly and dreamed. I was with about five other men who were in a definite order inside a building lit only by the large open double door near us. All of us were ministers of God of some kind. I was the very last one in line, but the line was not a line anyone looking would be able to see. as being a line. I could not see the faces of the others except for the one who just in front of me. He was without a doubt James Arness, the man who acted the part of Matt Dillon in the old western TV series: Gunsmoke. His eyes were the only eyes I could see in the dream although I could not tell you their color.

There had been others ahead of us who had already gone. They had apparently gone out the door with whoever it was that had imprisoned us or wanted to imprison us. I did not see them leave but I knew of them and probably would have recognized some if I were to see their faces.

When they were taken outside the building through the large door into the daylight a sharp instrument, perhaps a knife or a razor blade, was applied to each of their two eyes. The blade was moved across the center of each eye deep enough cause blindness. There was no blood. If there was pain none of them expressed it by any sound or movement that I could perceive. They stood in place each in his turn quite still while the blade was applied to each eye and then they walked away out of my sight.

Mr. Arness moved ahead of me and received his two cuts and then it was my turn. There was no one in line behind me.

My turn: They walked me out and had me stand to receive my cuts. I was deeply stirred and concerned, but I prayed silently for God to be with me. I closed my eyes and put my hand behind me and waited for the blade.

I woke up.

- "I was with about five other men who were in a definite order inside a building lit only by the large open double door near us. All of us were ministers of God of some kind."

Ok, now for starters, do you have a ministry position at present?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Yes, I hope that @Hidden In Him notices it too.

He hasn't given us an update lately on his 40 day fast. Not that he has to!! :)

He must be in about day 15 now. Hope he is being wise. ;)

LoL. I'm 15 minutes away from completing Day 14. And yes, I'm taking care of myself. Acid indigestion started bothering me a little, so I bought a bottle of Tums a few days ago. One chewable works like a charm on an empty stomach. I take one at night and one in the day; alleviates the problem almost entirely.

Thanks for the heads up, btw. You do a really good job around here. Forrest may be the mod, but your like the "nurse" to his "doctor," LoL.

 

[Helen]

Ha! Not sure lforrest would appreciate me being his "nurse" when he's not around. LOL

Glad that you are looking after yourself. ;)

 

[amadeus]

Yes!

Thanks for posting, John (Helen calls you that so I will too ). The above passage is at the heart of this message, as is the scales falling off Paul's eyes to represent that he would now have true spiritual sight.


- "I was with about five other men who were in a definite order inside a building lit only by the large open double door near us. All of us were ministers of God of some kind."

Ok, now for starters, do you have a ministry position at present?

I have no titled position. I preach and teach the Bible as the Lord calls me. For a long time it happened once or twice a week, but due to complications and a misunderstanding I stopped in April of this year. This past Sunday A.M. I preached for the first time since April. I can give you more details on the complications if you like. Helen may be aware of them in part.

 

[Nancy]

Stranger, the ability to interpret dreams is closely associated with the gifts of the prophet, is it not? Let's start there.

Acts 2:17
“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams;

Why wouldn't the Holy Spirit have an interpreter for the dreams?!

Genesis 40:8 ESV
They said to him, “We have had dreams, and there is no one to interpret them.” And Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Please tell them to me.”
Numbers 12:6 ESV / 101 helpful votes
And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream.
1 Corinthians 2:13 ESV / 80 helpful votes
And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
Habakkuk 2:2-3 ESV / 59 helpful votes
And the Lord answered me: “Write the vision; make it plain on tablets, so he may run who reads it. For still the vision awaits its appointed time; it hastens to the end—it will not lie. If it seems slow, wait for it; it will surely come; it will not delay.
Daniel 2:28 ESV / 51 helpful votes
But there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries, and he has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will be in the latter days. Your dream and the visions of your head as you lay in bed are these...
Daniel 2:1-3 ESV / 29 helpful votes
In the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadnezzar had dreams; his spirit was troubled, and his sleep left him. Then the king commanded that the magicians, the enchanters, the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans be summoned to tell the king his dreams. So they came in and stood before the king. And the king said to them, “I had a dream, and my spirit is troubled to know the dream.”

I see allot of scripture, not to mention that The Holy can reveal anything to anybody at anytime. IMO. I think it's all good...there has been nothing in H.I.M.'s interpretations that go against the Word that I can see. And when you think about it...in the OT, prophets were not well liked as their news always seemed to carry a warning to the people of God.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Acts 2:17
“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams;

Loved your post. Stranger had an argument I never would have thought of before (that it's not a gift of the Spirit). Not sure where that came from but we never did come to terms on it. Anyway, your above quoted passage is a tough one for Cessationists to deal with because in v.31 it clearly suggests the ultimate fulfillment of the passage will be during the last days before Christ's return.

And yes, exactly. Why will He give the end-time church visions and dreams without there being interpreters? I tend to go round and round with some who say everyone should be able to interpret their own dreams. I would that they did, and I encourage those I minister to to try, and to work with me on interpretations. But the sad truth is that many are nowhere near accurate when they attempt it. As a result I think it is a gift. Whether everyone is meant to or not, it is very clear to me that not everyone can.

 

[Helen]

Loved your post. Stranger had an argument I never would have thought of before (that it's not a gift of the Spirit). Not sure where that came from but we never did come to terms on it. Anyway, your above quoted passage is a tough one for Cessationists to deal with because in v.31 it clearly suggests the ultimate fulfillment of the passage will be during the last days before Christ's return.

And yes, exactly. Why will He give the end-time church visions and dreams without there being interpreters? I tend to go round and round with some who say everyone should be able to interpret their own dreams. I would that they did, and I encourage those I minister to to try, and to work with me on interpretations. But the sad truth is that many are nowhere near accurate when they attempt it. As a result I think it is a gift. Whether everyone is meant to or not, it is very clear to me that not everyone can.

In one way I can agree with that..interpreting our own dreams.
I do believe that God can speak to us very clearly in dreams and there is no question about what He is saying.
I've had many God-dreams over the years.

But when I have one that is not clear to me..I keep it safe and pray to the Lord to show me clearly. It may take a long while.

But that being said...I also strongly believe in the confirmation of two witnesses. There is safety in sharing it for a " check and balance ", it can save much heart ache.

We ourselves never ever make a major ( or sometimes minor) decision without a second confirmation.

Just as when in our walk we " feel led" to do this or that...there is wisdom in asking the Lord to confirm this before acting on it...either in His word, a dream, or through a brother that we are confident in, who knows how to "hear"...not all do or can hear !!

blessings...H

 

[Nancy]

Loved your post. Stranger had an argument I never would have thought of before (that it's not a gift of the Spirit). Not sure where that came from but we never did come to terms on it. Anyway, your above quoted passage is a tough one for Cessationists to deal with because in v.31 it clearly suggests the ultimate fulfillment of the passage will be during the last days before Christ's return.

And yes, exactly. Why will He give the end-time church visions and dreams without there being interpreters? I tend to go round and round with some who say everyone should be able to interpret their own dreams. I would that they did, and I encourage those I minister to to try, and to work with me on interpretations. But the sad truth is that many are nowhere near accurate when they attempt it. As a result I think it is a gift. Whether everyone is meant to or not, it is very clear to me that not everyone can.

My mind kind of lumps it in with prophecy. The 9 gifts of the Spirit, to me are used to draw others near to Christ, prophecy otoh, is used to warn....that is just my own opinion! :)

 

[Hidden In Him]

I have no titled position. I preach and teach the Bible as the Lord calls me. For a long time it happened once or twice a week, but due to complications and a misunderstanding I stopped in April of this year. This past Sunday A.M. I preached for the first time since April. I can give you more details on the complications if you like. Helen may be aware of them in part.

Ok, well the reason why I was asking is to establish context, and exactly who these five ministers might be. My two guesses were 1. That it related to people here at this website, since you do have a type of ministry here, or 2. That it had something to do with your church ministry, or a para-ministry associated with it.

I'm still going to leave it open-ended for now, and try and define some of the symbolism for you so you know what to look for. This could be a future-fulfillment dream, in which case you may not be able to relate it to anything at all just yet. But time will tell.

Last night I was sleeping soundly and dreamed. I was with about five other men who were in a definite order inside a building lit only by the large open double door near us. All of us were ministers of God of some kind. I was the very last one in line, but the line was not a line anyone looking would be able to see. as being a line. I could not see the faces of the others except for the one who just in front of me. He was without a doubt James Arness, the man who acted the part of Matt Dillon in the old western TV series: Gunsmoke. His eyes were the only eyes I could see in the dream although I could not tell you their color.

There had been others ahead of us who had already gone. They had apparently gone out the door with whoever it was that had imprisoned us or wanted to imprison us. I did not see them leave but I knew of them and probably would have recognized some if I were to see their faces.

When they were taken outside the building through the large door into the daylight a sharp instrument, perhaps a knife or a razor blade, was applied to each of their two eyes. The blade was moved across the center of each eye deep enough cause blindness. There was no blood. If there was pain none of them expressed it by any sound or movement that I could perceive. They stood in place each in his turn quite still while the blade was applied to each eye and then they walked away out of my sight.

Mr. Arness moved ahead of me and received his two cuts and then it was my turn. There was no one in line behind me.

My turn: They walked me out and had me stand to receive my cuts. I was deeply stirred and concerned, but I prayed silently for God to be with me. I closed my eyes and put my hand behind me and waited for the blade.

I woke up.

- "I was with about five other men who were in a definite order inside a building lit only by the large open double door near us." = Ok, you say later that this building was a type of imprisonment. "Lit only by the open door" is bad imagery for all of you being in a place of spiritual darkness; a place where little spiritual light had been shining through, except for the open double door, which is where your deliverance comes from as well. Jesus here is "the Door," and all your eyes eventually get operated on by the Lord so you can see properly.
- LoL! I'm starting to get what I think the interpretation is here... I'm gonna stop here for a sec and ask the Lord how He would have me present this. Gimme till tonight or tomorrow, but I think this has to do with several members here at this website who had not ever had their eyes opened to understand dreams before, including their own. I think Triumph is James Arness (notice how his avatar looks these days? LoL).

Tell me, who are the dominant, most senior members at this site who are active these days, and by that I mean those who minister in the word and are open to dream interpretation. I'm guessing "ByGrace," Triumph, you... and if my memory serves me correctly from this thread, lforrest and Josho. Even Frank Lee to some extent, although Frank later expressed reservations somewhat.

But without detailing the rest of the dream just yet, I think it's a reference to each of you being shown the value of your dreams; having your "eyes opened" to see their value. I know it might sound like I'm making too much of it, but I'm working with a sister right now who's life has been totally changed by finally realizing the Lord has been trying to communicate to her through them. She's all of a sudden nailing major issues in her life that were hurting her marriage and her walk with God, and gaining tremendous ground in very short order.

 

[Hidden In Him]

But that being said...I also strongly believe in the confirmation of two witnesses. There is safety in sharing it for a " check and balance ", it can save much heart ache.

I agree. I usually look to the person who shared the dream to get a witness about it. Now sometimes I have been dead on and I know it, yet it seems to take forever to get through to the person who had the dream because their spiritual senses are so dull. But those are the more extreme cases.