Don’t fool yourself into believing that one party or ideology represents Jesus more than another.

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7 I can tell there is some confusion and I hope I haven't exasperated you, but if I have, then I apologize.:)

I should let you rest now.

No problem, Christian's are to expose evil, and not bless and condone evil deeds such as Abortion and Same Sex Marriage that many support and condone and claim to be part of Gods Church

 

[Truth7t7]

I’ve already answered your question.
That’s why I sometimes feel you are trolling me, you either don’t care to read what I am writing or you are deliberately ignoring it.

Crickets!

You haven't directly responded as you did in the question regarding abortion with (Yes! I oppose it) nobody asked if gay sex is sin as you evade the direct question below

Direct Question, "Do you oppose homosexuality"?

 

[TLHKAJ]

Try to quote that scripture, so people can see your dishonesty.
It doesn’t say woman or wife it says:

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.

Why in the world are you calling that dishonesty. If you're going to quote, use the KJV.
1 Corinthians 7:15
[15]But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

My point is, Scripture doesn't give men privilege over women as you like to claim (that men are scripturally allowed to commit fornication/pornography/incest/adultery/sexual immorality while they are married).

 

[Truth7t7]

It scares me when it is done with anger. You cannot control another. You can only pray for them. I don't have any problem with laws, and if they are approved, fine. But I worry about the anger one who loves the Lord has against another who also loves the Lord.

By all means please give a direct instance to this anger?

Displaying anger to one person, might be presenting truth to another

Yes the bible clearly explains "Truth" in Gods words cause division, even regsrding ones family, let alone those outside of ones family

Matthew 10:34-36KJV
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Crickets!

You haven't directly responded as you did in the question regarding abortion with (Yes! I oppose it) nobody asked if gay sex is sin as you evade the direct question below

Direct Question, "Do you oppose homosexuality"?

At first, I thought he had some good points, but it looks more like he's trying to justify sin. It's not really worth arguing with him over. This thread is junk, imo.... a waste of time.

 

[McFearless]

I worry about the venom that is directed by church folk to people they don't agree with, or people who express a differing opinion.

You are right! Pride is worthless when it comes to matters of the heart. Some Christians think they are assigned to be God’s security guards. While they are looking for evil doers, they are looking away from Jesus, that’s why they forget his kindness and mercy. These people don’t care if more people come to Christ, they only want to hurt and push people away, like children fighting to get attention.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are right! Pride is worthless when it comes to matters of the heart. Some Christians think they are assigned to be gods security guards. While they are looking for evil doers, they are looking away from Jesus, that’s why they forget his kindness and mercy. These people don’t care if more people come to Christ, they only want to hurt and push people away, like children fighting to get attention.

Crickets!

You haven't directly responded as you did in the question regarding abortion with (Yes! I oppose it) nobody asked if gay sex is sin as you evade the direct question below

Direct Question, "Do you oppose homosexuality"?

 

[Truth7t7]

At first, I thought he had some good points, but it looks more like he's trying to justify sin. It's not really worth arguing with him over. This thread is junk, imo.... a waste of time.

Matthew 7:22-23KJV
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[McFearless]

Crickets!

You haven't directly responded as you did in the question regarding abortion with (Yes! I oppose it) nobody asked if gay sex is sin as you evade the direct question below

Direct Question, "Do you oppose homosexuality"?

Isn’t homosexuality gay sex?
Oh you are one of the guy’s who says that one can have gay sex without practicing homosexuality. Only heard people from the south say that..
I don’t believe that you can separate homosexuality from gay sex..

 

[Truth7t7]

Isn’t homosexuality gay sex?
Oh you are one of the guy’s who says that one can have gay sex without practicing homosexuality. Only heard people from the south say that..
I don’t believe that you can separate homosexuality from gay sex..

Crickets!

You haven't directly responded as you did in the question regarding abortion with (Yes! I oppose it) nobody asked if gay sex is sin as you evade the direct question below

Direct Question, "Do you oppose homosexuality"?

 

[McFearless]

Crickets!

You haven't directly responded as you did in the question regarding abortion with (Yes! I oppose it) nobody asked if gay sex is sin as you evade the direct question below

Direct Question, "Do you oppose homosexuality"?

I don’t know what homosexuality is, if it isn’t gay sex..

 

[Wrangler]

I don't have any problem with laws

I do when the laws are not righteous.

MLK said we have a moral obligation to obey moral law and a moral obligation to not obey immoral law.

 

[Grailhunter]

@Truth7t7 @TLHKAJ
What you are saying is essentially and eventually biblically true. And I will discuss that.
But still the scriptures and terminology that you are using to get there are inaccurate.
The word fornication is a man-made ... man-formulated Latin word that was inserted into the older translations of the Bible.
Even at that, it did not mean single people having sex. It was referencing to prostitution and then Christian customs redefined it as single people having sex. Which if you understand.... that does not make sense, because in the biblical era, people had sex to form a marriage. No biblical requirements for weddings and vows.

The Gospel account of Christ (a Jew) having a discussion about Judaism (the Mosaic Law) with Jews, this discussion is not about Christianity. We do not know how many wives they had. Christ was modifying the Mosaic Law? There is part of this that I do not think was in the original scriptures because according to Mosaic Law women were not allowed to divorce their husbands, they were property. If they ran away it was automatically assumed that they had committed adultery and could be killed. From the conversation, what Christ said, did not go well....even with His own apostles. But near to irrelevant to Christians. Christianity did not initially adopt the process of divorce. The word divorce does not appear outside the Gospels....from Acts to Revelation the word divorce does not appear. If that word appears in your Bible between Acts and Revelation it is a mistranslation.

Paul discusses couples breaking up and or separating in 1st Corinthians chapter 7. And what he says is pretty much the conclusion that you "guys" have come up with....the only reason for divorce is infidelity. But there was no "Letter of Divorcement" discussed and the word divorce is not used and there are no courts to hear divorce cases. Civilly women were not allowed to legally divorce their husbands until 1857. They just walked away....some call it put away. Either way the Bible is very strict on this.

Putting it into perspective...the Bible does not take a lot of things into consideration....You are not going to hear of a husband rapping his wife....or beating his wife....or doing the same to his children.....because they are his property and these things are not considered justification for leaving there husband....only infidelity. It would be a long time before these things were a concern for anyone. So if you are a fundamentalist it is a difficult premise, particularly for women to allow themselves to be locked into such a relationship with no escape....or then to never remarry....alone for the rest of their life and their children not having a father in the home.

Now I am not a fundamentalist....so I admit I do not agree with this and I do not agree with slavery. I have very simple concepts with how I conduct myself in relationships...I respect women overall, I treat my loved one with respect and love. I believe that people that are in love should be married and people that are not in love should not be married. I believe that men that abuse their wives should be beat. My step-dad shot my mom. By the time I got done with my step-dad, he was not able to work another day in his life...

It is a matter of beliefs but I feel sorry for the women and children that are abused.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don’t know what homosexuality is, if it isn’t gay sex..

Direct Question, "Do you oppose homosexuality"?

 

[McFearless]

Crickets!

You haven't directly responded as you did in the question regarding abortion with (Yes! I oppose it) nobody asked if gay sex is sin as you evade the direct question below

Direct Question, "Do you oppose homosexuality"?

I found a definition: Homosexuality-
the quality or characteristic of being sexually attracted solely to people of one's own sex.
I’m not sure the attraction is sin, I’m pretty sure it’s the sexual act in it self that’s prohibited in the Bible, isn’t it?
I’d guess it would be horrible to have that attraction, just like it would be horrible to have cancer, diabetes or a rash.

I’m opposed to cancer, I’m opposed to diabetes and I’m opposed to rashes. So in that sense I guess I’m also opposed to homosexuality. Just don’t think it makes sense to oppose a disease or attraction.

 

[DuckieLady]

Only heard people from the south say that..

So... I just want to ask.

Why do you know so much about America?

 

[McFearless]

So... I just want to ask.

Why do you know so much about America?

Once had an American girlfriend and I’m European we learn stuff in school.

 

[DuckieLady]

Once had an American girlfriend and I’m European we learn stuff in school.

Oh interesting, ok. My brother just came back from spending time with his girlfriend in Denmark. I was curious. :)

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7 @TLHKAJ
What you are saying is essentially and eventually biblically true. And I will discuss that.
But still the scriptures and terminology that you are using to get there are inaccurate.
The word fornication is a man-made ... man-formulated Latin word that was inserted into the older translations of the Bible.
Even at that, it did not mean single people having sex. It was referencing to prostitution and then Christian customs redefined it as single people having sex. Which if you understand.... that does not make sense, because in the biblical era, people had sex to form a marriage. No biblical requirements for weddings and vows.

The Gospel account of Christ (a Jew) having a discussion about Judaism (the Mosaic Law) with Jews, this discussion is not about Christianity. We do not know how many wives they had. Christ was modifying the Mosaic Law? There is part of this that I do not think was in the original scriptures because according to Mosaic Law women were not allowed to divorce their husbands, they were property. If they ran away it was automatically assumed that they had committed adultery and could be killed. From the conversation, what Christ said, did not go well....even with His own apostles. But near to irrelevant to Christians. Christianity did not initially adopt the process of divorce. The word divorce does not appear outside the Gospels....from Acts to Revelation the word divorce does not appear. If that word appears in your Bible between Acts and Revelation it is a mistranslation.

Paul discusses couples breaking up and or separating in 1st Corinthians chapter 7. And what he says is pretty much the conclusion that you "guys" have come up with....the only reason for divorce is infidelity. But there was no "Letter of Divorcement" discussed and the word divorce is not used and there are no courts to hear divorce cases. Civilly women were not allowed to legally divorce their husbands until 1857. They just walked away....some call it put away. Either way the Bible is very strict on this.

Putting it into perspective...the Bible does not take a lot of things into consideration....You are not going to hear of a husband rapping his wife....or beating his wife....or doing the same to his children.....because they are his property and these things are not considered justification for leaving there husband....only infidelity. It would be a long time before these things were a concern for anyone. So if you are a fundamentalist it is a difficult premise, particularly for women to allow themselves to be locked into such a relationship with no escape....or then to never remarry....alone for the rest of their life and their children not having a father in the home.

Now I am not a fundamentalist....so I admit I do not agree with this and I do not agree with slavery. I have very simple concepts with how I conduct myself in relationships...I respect women overall, I treat my loved one with respect and love. I believe that people that are in love should be married and people that are not in love should not be married. I believe that men that abuse their wives should be beat. My step-dad shot my mom. By the time I got done with my step-dad, he was not able to work another day in his life...

It is a matter of beliefs but I feel sorry for the women and children that are abused.

I disagree, "Fornication" is the sexual act outside the confines of lawful marriage

If a married man has sexual relations outside of his marriage, this is fornication not adultery

Adultery is to be married to another person while the lawful spouse lives

If a college age kid has sexual relations outside of lawful marriage its also fornication

1 Coronthians 7:1-2KJV
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7 @TLHKAJ
What you are saying is essentially and eventually biblically true. And I will discuss that.
But still the scriptures and terminology that you are using to get there are inaccurate.
The word fornication is a man-made ... man-formulated Latin word that was inserted into the older translations of the Bible.
Even at that, it did not mean single people having sex. It was referencing to prostitution and then Christian customs redefined it as single people having sex. Which if you understand.... that does not make sense, because in the biblical era, people had sex to form a marriage. No biblical requirements for weddings and vows.

The Gospel account of Christ (a Jew) having a discussion about Judaism (the Mosaic Law) with Jews, this discussion is not about Christianity. We do not know how many wives they had. Christ was modifying the Mosaic Law? There is part of this that I do not think was in the original scriptures because according to Mosaic Law women were not allowed to divorce their husbands, they were property. If they ran away it was automatically assumed that they had committed adultery and could be killed. From the conversation, what Christ said, did not go well....even with His own apostles. But near to irrelevant to Christians. Christianity did not initially adopt the process of divorce. The word divorce does not appear outside the Gospels....from Acts to Revelation the word divorce does not appear. If that word appears in your Bible between Acts and Revelation it is a mistranslation.

Paul discusses couples breaking up and or separating in 1st Corinthians chapter 7. And what he says is pretty much the conclusion that you "guys" have come up with....the only reason for divorce is infidelity. But there was no "Letter of Divorcement" discussed and the word divorce is not used and there are no courts to hear divorce cases. Civilly women were not allowed to legally divorce their husbands until 1857. They just walked away....some call it put away. Either way the Bible is very strict on this.

Putting it into perspective...the Bible does not take a lot of things into consideration....You are not going to hear of a husband rapping his wife....or beating his wife....or doing the same to his children.....because they are his property and these things are not considered justification for leaving there husband....only infidelity. It would be a long time before these things were a concern for anyone. So if you are a fundamentalist it is a difficult premise, particularly for women to allow themselves to be locked into such a relationship with no escape....or then to never remarry....alone for the rest of their life and their children not having a father in the home.

Now I am not a fundamentalist....so I admit I do not agree with this and I do not agree with slavery. I have very simple concepts with how I conduct myself in relationships...I respect women overall, I treat my loved one with respect and love. I believe that people that are in love should be married and people that are not in love should not be married. I believe that men that abuse their wives should be beat. My step-dad shot my mom. By the time I got done with my step-dad, he was not able to work another day in his life...

It is a matter of beliefs but I feel sorry for the women and children that are abused.

You write as if a wife in a abusive relationship has no options "Wrong" the wife has full biblical standing to legally separate, and she is to remain unmarried, and the husband isnt to divorce his wife, it's that simple

Many try to justify the sin of Adultery, with statements like (my husband was abusive), so I divorced and got remarried while my husband is living, this is (Adultery) as seen below

1 Corinthians 7:10-11KJV
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

Mark 10:11-12KJV
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Romans 7:1-3KJV
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.