Does Your Church Teach About the Rapture(Catching up) Heaven, Hell, Prophecy?

[Nancy]

To understand How Scripture is written, you have to understand Scripture has an application to every individual person....and you are Not the same as every individual person.

When Scripture is speaking of particular people and that IS not what you are or do, then it would not apply to you.

The Lord has elected certain people for certain things. For example...

OT.. who would be the hearers, doers, recorders, writers, protesters, dismilaters, priests, of Gods Word and punishers for violators.....He Elect called Hebrews.

We see their triumphs and failures....
We also see other individuals / groups being introduced OF How They can become part of Gods elect.....without Being a Hebrew. or later, a person from out of the twelve Tribes, or later from the Tribe of Judah that separated, which is the Jews.

If you are a Gentile, there were also provisions made for you to become one of Gods Elect via Christ Jesus, who came to seek after the lost Jews. Ie Jews whose ancient history of God had been and was being corrupted by Gentiles in and of the world.

The Lord God sent Paul for Gentile's to hear about...God and Jesus the Christ.

But that does not mean Only Gentile's stood in Paul's crowds and listened, so did Jews and Paul addresses them also.... since...hearing testimony about Jesus was also new Knowledge being preached to the Jews.

Hebre laws applied to Hebrews.
Jewish Laws applied to Jews.
Jews WHO accepted Jesus are no longer under the Law.
Jews WHO reject Jesus AS the Christ remain subject To Their Jewish Law.
Gentile's were never under Hebrew or Jewish Laws, nor the consequences of violations.

Then there is something OUTSIDE of "the "LawS" in Scripture. It is called "Precepts".

Meh 9:14
Psalms mentioned many times
Isa 28: 10-13

Precepts are behaviors of man according to Gods Commands. They are things men learn little by little, practice, teach their children i.e. setting their foundation, and ALL may trip, but with God can get refreshed and keep improving.

God has an Elect group set aside to repopulate the Earth after the great Tribulation. They hide and escape taking the mark of the beast And escape physical Death amid the earths horrific distruction during the Trib ending.
They are chosen/elected for that specific purpose...just as each person fulfills a specific purpose, ALREADY known to God... and we simply discover as we physically live year after year.

Just saying... FIGURE out your own standing By what you believe and what the Lord says He shall DO for you Because of What you Believe and do, because it is Personal between You and Him....not you and Jo and Bill and George and Him.

God Bless,
Taken

Good post @Taken
'God has an Elect group set aside to repopulate the Earth after the great Tribulation. They hide and escape taking the mark of the beast And escape physical Death amid the earths horrific distruction during the Trib ending.
They are chosen/elected for that specific purpose...just as each person fulfills a specific purpose, ALREADY known to God... and we simply discover as we physically live year after year."

I have often wondered about the Tribulation Saints and, if we who are alive now and all the saints who have since passed will or will not be in heaven at that time awaiting the Great Judgement. I now believe we will be in heaven. I have also always thought that the Trib. saints would be the ones on the earth during that time.
Any thoughts on why God will allow satan loose for a "little while" at the end of 1000 years?
God bless!
-nancy

 

[BreadOfLife]

So your answer to the question, Will Jesus be present On the Earth during the Tribulations IS NO, and then He Returns at the end of the Great Tribulation.....correct?

Jesus will be present in the Eucharist until He comes back.
However, He ain't comin' back to snatch anybody away before the end . . .

And WHO exactly is making this Testimony For Me ? You or me? The answers is You.
Where do you get your Authority To Make Testimonies FOR me?

Ummmmm, YOUR rejection of Christ's Church has made your testimony FOR you.

The funny part is that, although you follow the teachings of the so-called "Reformers" - you and MANY like you have invented some of your own doctrines alone the way . . .

 

[H. Richard]

What does Jesus on earth have to do with the "Rapture"??
Jesus won't return to earth until His 2nd coming - at the END (1 Thess. 4:17).

Because YOU have followed their precepts and traditions.
You put your faith in THEM instead of Christ (Luke 10:16) . . .

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Your statement above is about yourself. You put your faith in the C Church and its doctrines then turn around and blame others for putting their faith in their churches which are made up of precepts and traditions. LOL

What solace (comfort) can you fine in thinking you will be here on earth during the 7 years of tribulations?

1 Thess 4:17-18
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
NKJV

 

[BreadOfLife]

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Your statement above is about yourself. You put your faith in the C Church and its doctrines then turn around and blame others for putting their faith in their churches which are made up of precepts and traditions. LOL

What solace (comfort) can you fine in thinking you will be here on earth during the 7 years of tribulations?

1 Thess 4:17-18
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
NKJV

I put my faith in Christ and the teachings of His Church - because He gave that Church Supreme Authority on earth - that WHATEVER it ordains on earth shall also be ordained in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

He didn't give ANY of your man-made Protestant sects one iota of Authority.

As for the coming Tribulations - I find the SAME solace that the Early Christians found when THEY were being slaughtered because I have Christ and the hope of everlasting life with Him.

 

[Enoch111]

Where in scripture does it imply that all "Tribulation Saints" will be martyred before the second Coming?

Why don't you simply follow the sequence of events in Revelation? Read chapter 13.

 

[Taken]

Good post . I now believe we will be in heaven. I have also always thought that the Trib. saints would be the ones on the earth during that time.
Any thoughts on why God will allow satan loose for a "little while" at the end of 1000 years?
God bless!
-nancy

The ultimate calling of the Lord God is that all might come when He call them that He would transform all into saints...according to His WAY. Every thing hinges on Gods Word and the belief, Trust, and commitment of a man. TO God.

Men are TAUGHT little by little....and the Big Picture IS....the mystery....No One can Satisfactorily Please God "Without" God.

The ultimate ending IS everyone Shall Believe, yet all Shall not Be Saved! And that has to do with a mans timeframe of confession.

IN Heaven...??
Yes and no.
Earth was created for mankind's habitat.
Ie Earth is dry land.
Ie Mankind is the Bodily Form.

Earth was designed to sustain the bodies natural life, which it's life is blood.

All other things within a man....soul, spirit, HS, knowledge. Understanding of Gods OWN Word... are His and given a man For a mans Spiritual Life.

Some men crave that, some men for numerous reasons Can not accept it.
No matter, God is Just... ALL will get what they desire...to be with or without Him.

We are all born in Sin, experience the WITHOUT God. Simply our choice to be satisfied without Him or get to getting and Learn About Him, that we may elect Him on His Terms.

I also think the hard part IS TRUSTING what:
One can not see OR understand.

That is Faith...and even that is hard to be accomplished without the Lords intervention of ENLIGHTMENT by His Word in the Ears of men.

The strong hold of Prophecy....
We being told something Before it comes to pass and then living in a time we See it come to pass.
Not that it is always a whoop whoop thing, some prophecies are pretty scary!

Stressed for every generation...every individuals Time is of the essence. Learn about your creator and maker. Learn if your soul will depart your dead body and go to Gods throne in Heaven With Him...or to hell Separated from Him and all the beauty He provided for you Bodily, but one took for granted and now is kaput!

Our Lord is Awesome. Our generation is fortunate. Instant access to knowledge and compatable for our spirit is Gods FOREVER Indwelling with His Spirit to keep us unto Him even when we judge ourselves not so adequate...His Power Is.

You being His Elect, me being His Elect, or an other...DOES NOT have to mean because we do the exact same ...but rather that we end the same WITH and in Him and He in and WITH us FOREVER.

Many Blessings to you and yours,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Jesus will be present in the Eucharist until He comes back.
However, He ain't comin' back to snatch anybody away before the end . . .

Well that's okay for you.

However for me, When He descends From Heaven To the clouds, And Is In the clouds,
He Has A REWARD For me, that I am waiting to receive. He shall Call me, and BECAUSE I belong To Him, I hear His Call and shall rise up to Him and meet Him in the Air having the Glorious Body He Prepared for me, and Be Able to See Him as He is without a Flesh covering! Sorry His Way doesn't work for you.

YOUR

rejection of Christ's Church has made your testimony FOR you.

Yet again YOU makeup Lies.

Christ's Church is Awesome. I've been a member for a long time, with Thee Holy Father. Can't recall you being a member though. Oh right your Church membership is called Catholic and your holy father is "in this year" some guy named Francis, I think, not sure, who can keep up when your Church has had so many.

The funny part is that, although you follow the teachings of the so-called "Reformers" - you and MANY like you have invented some of your own doctrines alone the way . . .

That's the beauty of FREEWILL, pick and choose, fill in what was not taught, like you testified your Church does.

I favor Jesus' Doctrine, and He is Expert in teaching and giving the meaning of His Doctrine. I am confident in His Way.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well that's okay for you.

However for me, When He descends From Heaven To the clouds, And Is In the clouds,
He Has A REWARD For me, that I am waiting to receive. He shall Call me, and BECAUSE I belong To Him, I hear His Call and shall rise up to Him and meet Him in the Air having the Glorious Body He Prepared for me, and Be Able to See Him as He is without a Flesh covering! Sorry His Way doesn't work for you.

Yet again YOU makeup Lies.

Christ's Church is Awesome. I've been a member for a long time, with Thee Holy Father. Can't recall you being a member though. Oh right your Church membership is called Catholic and your holy father is "in this year" some guy named Francis, I think, not sure, who can keep up when your Church has had so many.

That's the beauty of FREEWILL, pick and choose, fill in what was not taught, like you testified your Church does.

I favor Jesus' Doctrine, and He is Expert in teaching and giving the meaning of His Doctrine. I am confident in His Way.

Yup - "picking and choosing" what you want to believe instead of the WHOLE Word is called "Cafeteria Faith".
"I'll take a little of this and a little of that - but I'll have NONE of that over there!"

That's not true faith - that's a salad bar . . .

 

[Enoch111]

He didn't give ANY of your man-made Protestant sects one iota of Authority.

And you sincerely believe that Christ has given this clown Pope Francis authority to speak in His name? Not once has this pope ever presented a CLEAR Gospel message.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And you sincerely believe that Christ has given this clown Pope Francis authority to speak in His name? Not once has this pope ever presented a CLEAR Gospel message.

A LOT of non Catholics are beginning to dislike him because he's not the politically-correct person they thought he was.
He's a Catholic . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

Agreed....EXCEPT that I don't believe they were ALL that gtreat and we should be open to all thinhs the Spirit chooses to reveal. The earlt Church fathers were not always right. Just look at Agustus!


BTW- I love your avatar! That baby is so cute I wanna bite her head!!! Hahahaha! Did Rollo chose this one for you?

I almost missed this...
Agreed on the ECF. Augustine wasn't one of them. Usually it means those prior to the Nicene Council, 325 AD.

I don't hear about this rapture till about 200 years ago, so I do ask myself why this is.
Right now I'd have to say it doesn't exist.

I usually choose my own avatars, I chose this one.
I also try to keep rollo happy otherwise he treats me badly.
LIKE ON THIS THREAD!!!

 

[Naomi25]

tbh i'm becoming convinced that the def of that word has been warped for us too. We just did a brief look at it, you see that?

No, I didn't, but I suppose I can see how the word (I'm assuming here that the word we're talking about is "convicted") could mean something other than what I used it for.
I used it for being more sure...certain...being felt led in my understanding by God...that sort of thing.
However, "convicted" as it is often used in scripture is when you feel the weight, and sorrow of sin.
Is that the difference you are talking about?

 

[Naomi25]

To understand How Scripture is written, you have to understand Scripture has an application to every individual person....and you are Not the same as every individual person.

When Scripture is speaking of particular people and that IS not what you are or do, then it would not apply to you.

The Lord has elected certain people for certain things. For example...

OT.. who would be the hearers, doers, recorders, writers, protesters, dismilaters, priests, of Gods Word and punishers for violators.....He Elect called Hebrews.

We see their triumphs and failures....
We also see other individuals / groups being introduced OF How They can become part of Gods elect.....without Being a Hebrew. or later, a person from out of the twelve Tribes, or later from the Tribe of Judah that separated, which is the Jews.

If you are a Gentile, there were also provisions made for you to become one of Gods Elect via Christ Jesus, who came to seek after the lost Jews. Ie Jews whose ancient history of God had been and was being corrupted by Gentiles in and of the world.

The Lord God sent Paul for Gentile's to hear about...God and Jesus the Christ.

But that does not mean Only Gentile's stood in Paul's crowds and listened, so did Jews and Paul addresses them also.... since...hearing testimony about Jesus was also new Knowledge being preached to the Jews.

Hebre laws applied to Hebrews.
Jewish Laws applied to Jews.
Jews WHO accepted Jesus are no longer under the Law.
Jews WHO reject Jesus AS the Christ remain subject To Their Jewish Law.
Gentile's were never under Hebrew or Jewish Laws, nor the consequences of violations.

Then there is something OUTSIDE of "the "LawS" in Scripture. It is called "Precepts".

Meh 9:14
Psalms mentioned many times
Isa 28: 10-13

Precepts are behaviors of man according to Gods Commands. They are things men learn little by little, practice, teach their children i.e. setting their foundation, and ALL may trip, but with God can get refreshed and keep improving.

God has an Elect group set aside to repopulate the Earth after the great Tribulation. They hide and escape taking the mark of the beast And escape physical Death amid the earths horrific distruction during the Trib ending.
They are chosen/elected for that specific purpose...just as each person fulfills a specific purpose, ALREADY known to God... and we simply discover as we physically live year after year.

Just saying... FIGURE out your own standing By what you believe and what the Lord says He shall DO for you Because of What you Believe and do, because it is Personal between You and Him....not you and Jo and Bill and George and Him.

God Bless,
Taken

I'm afraid I miss most of your point. Are you saying that scripture is only relevant to individual interpretation? Because if you are, I'd have to disagree...strongly. It's true that everyone must apply scripture to themselves individually, but as creatures under the creator, we all must allow that there are truths in scripture that are general and overarching. These do not change due to personal understanding or perspective. They are, because God has declared them thus.

 

[Naomi25]

Why don't you simply follow the sequence of events in Revelation? Read chapter 13.

Okay...this is again, supposing that Rev is to be read chronologically. But let's say it is. Does it say in Rev 13 that all Saints are martyred? It says many will be, and calls for endurance...but it doesn't give us leave to assume all believers perish. In fact, in Ch 14 they are told to endure again. In Rev 18 God is calling "his people" to come out of Babylon, so we must assume there are believers there still.
So...it seems to me that there is a level of assumption that comes with your idea that all believers must be in heaven for the Supper of the Lamb. And I'm just not comfortable in pulling that idea from scripture. I feels to me that you've determined that Christ has to have two distinct comings, which means that from there it is forcing a certain reading of scripture that perhaps isn't necessary.

 

[Helen]

Yup - "picking and choosing" what you want to believe instead of the WHOLE Word is called "Cafeteria Faith".
"I'll take a little of this and a little of that - but I'll have NONE of that over there!"

That's not true faith - that's a salad bar . . .

Agree, most of it is arrogant presumption anyway.

 

[Nancy]

I almost missed this...
Agreed on the ECF. Augustine wasn't one of them. Usually it means those prior to the Nicene Council, 325 AD.

I don't hear about this rapture till about 200 years ago, so I do ask myself why this is.
Right now I'd have to say it doesn't exist.
I usually choose my own avatars, I chose this one.
I also try to keep rollo happy otherwise he treats me badly.
LIKE ON THIS THREAD!!!

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-Agreed, my stance as well...no rapture..

"Augustine wasn't one of them. Usually it means those prior to the Nicene Council, 325 AD."
ECF?

Agreed....EXCEPT that I don't believe they were ALL that gtreat and we should be open to all thinhs the Spirit chooses to reveal. The earlt Church fathers were not always right. Just look at Agustus!


BTW- I love your avatar! That baby is so cute I wanna bite her head!!! Hahahaha! Did Rollo chose this one for you?

Yikes!-LOOK at all those typos : Agustus???whaaa?! Well, I was in a hurry when I wrote this post, lol...knew I should have waited.

"Usually it means those prior to the Nicene Council, 325 AD." Thank you, I have never really had much of an interest in the early Church Fathers. I shall look them up.

"I also try to keep rollo happy otherwise he treats me badly.
LIKE ON THIS THREAD!!![/QUOTE]<---Yes, he can be kinda bossy. :)

 

[epostle1]

They are called ante-Nicene fathers Prior to 325 AD. The last ECF goes up the 8th century, I think... It would take a lifetime to read them all. Plus you have to wade through literary styles we are not accustomed to, I recommend the search engine in www.catholic.com for a much more understandable summary. Key in the name.
Rollo is in my iggy bin:)

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[Nancy]

They are called ante-Nicene fathers Prior to 325 AD. The last ECF goes up the 8th century, I think... It would take a lifetime to read them all. Plus you have to wade through literary styles we are not accustomed to, I recommend the search engine in www.catholic.com for a much more understandable summary. Key in the name.
Rollo is in my iggy bin:)

"It would take a lifetime to read them all." That many, hmmm. Maybe I will not spend that kind of time on them...no real desire to...I'd rather spend that kind of time studying scripture! :)

 

[Taken]

I'm afraid I miss most of your point. Are you saying that scripture is only relevant to individual interpretation? Because if you are, I'd have to disagree...strongly. It's true that everyone must apply scripture to themselves individually, but as creatures under the creator, we all must allow that there are truths in scripture that are general and overarching. These do not change due to personal understanding or perspective. They are, because God has declared them thus.

There two interpretations...and they primarily are concluded on knowledge and understanding.

Mankind's ...
Which has to do with the mind, logic, makes sense, guessing, philosophies, etc. which is How man thinks, weighs, concludes...And can change as he is introduced to more knowledge. (TRUE or False)

Gods....
Knowledge which is Truth period. Believe it whether or not you understand it.
Become Converted... and one of the Benefits IS one now has access To Gods Understanding.

So no ... hang on individual understanding? No.

Applying was the Point.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

No, I didn't, but I suppose I can see how the word (I'm assuming here that the word we're talking about is "convicted") could mean something other than what I used it for.
I used it for being more sure...certain...being felt led in my understanding by God...that sort of thing.

yes, the same religious definition we were all given. My premise is that this def is used so that the real "convicted" may be hidden from the wise. But i'm not sure how to illuminate it. When someone is convicted, truth is revealed to the witnesses first; even if the convicted maybe learn a lesson too, later

However, "convicted" as it is often used in scripture is when you feel the weight, and sorrow of sin.
Is that the difference you are talking about?

note that both of those are now "internal" operations? you do them all by yourself? But we can convict a criminal in absentia even. Granted, they do share a synonym, yes, don't get me wrong

We only briefly touched on this before anyway, and i didn't pursue it bc they didn't--gee i wonder why--but i'll say that it wouldn't surprise me a bit to learn that our usage for this word changed about the same time that "talents" did, if that means anything to you.

i am convinced, but i might also be convicted without being convinced at all right; except in a congregation. i suggest that this was done so that the spiritual lesson might be obscured when believers are actually convicted, which happens without their consent. Or a person might be convinced of all kinds of whatever, yet be convicted of something entirely different. So the lesson would only come down the road for them anyway--if at all--but imo we can see a scenario in which the lesson is obscured for the witnesses to the conviction here, which i checked to see if the point was made when we touched on this and it was, it's in there, but i didn't belabor the point at the time so as to spare feelings, plus it was something minor anyway that i just blew up to make the point prolly, and i'm not sure i made that clear at the time. So my point there is even if you find it i would not be comfortable verifying who was convicted--since it's in code, kinda--but as i recall they were actually a good sport about it tho

i'd have to check but i don't think the term convicted is used for those who confess; legally speaking