DOES THE TRANSFIGURATION RESOLVE MATTHEW 16:28 ?

[Rockerduck]

I am not sure what you mean by mass.

It is inferred that Peter, James, and John saw a vision at the same time. I maintain no, it was real.

 

[Verily]

It is inferred that Peter, James, and John saw a vision at the same time. I maintain no, it was real.

And I believe the vision was real, and no less true with real prophetic significance.

Certainly not going to argue with you over it.

 

[ScottA]

[Mat 16:28 KJV] 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Can this verse be explained by the transfiguration? Many say that the transfiguration supports claiming that Matthew 16:28 was resolved by the disciples seeing Christ coming in His kingdom at this event.

Below is the transfiguration in question.

[Mat 17:1-2 KJV] 1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

[Mat 17:9 KJV] 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Matthew 16:28 describes seeing a literal kingdom, but Jesus says in the verse above that the transfiguration was a vision. A vision of the kingdom does not fulfill the actual appearance of the kingdom.

[2Pe 1:16 KJV] 16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Peter made known the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ but did not say he was eyewitness to it. Peter said he was eyewitness to his majesty.

[2Pe 1:17 KJV] 17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The honour and glory the Lord Jesus received from the Father was what Peter eye witnessed. Jesus did not receive the literal kingdom in the transfiguration.

For me, the transfiguration does not serve as an explanation to Matthew 16:28.

In the smaller worldly context, yes--the transfiguration gives witness to some standing there. This is true, but God is both true in the smaller and also the larger context.

The larger context is the heavenly context of God (as opposed to the smaller worldly context).

That greater context is also, and more importantly, what Jesus was referring to. Wherein, many of that generation would die and see Christ coming into His kingdom, and many would be born again of the spirit of God and witness it spiritually. Paul referred to that latter group, as "we who are alive and remain." Meaning, alive in God, but remaining in the world.

Both are true.

 

[Doug]

In the smaller worldly context, yes--the transfiguration gives witness to some standing there. This is true, but God is both true in the smaller and also the larger context.

The larger context is the heavenly context of God (as opposed to the smaller worldly context).

That greater context is also, and more importantly, what Jesus was referring to. Wherein, many of that generation would die and see Christ coming into His kingdom, and many would be born again of the spirit of God and witness it spiritually. Paul referred to that latter group, as "we who are alive and remain." Meaning, alive in God, but remaining in the world.

Both are true.

many would be born again of the spirit of God and witness it spiritually.

To me this does not reflect Christ's saying that they would not taste of death before seeing his coming Matthew 16:28
They couldn't see it before they died since it has not happened yet.
If they died that then they tasted of death.

 

[ScottA]

many would be born again of the spirit of God and witness it spiritually.

To me this does not reflect Christ's saying that they would not taste of death before seeing his coming Matthew 16:28
They couldn't see it before they died since it has not happened yet.
If they died that then they tasted of death.

"Taste" is a key word here. Meaning, not in full measure regarding "seeing."

But Jesus explained, saying, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" (Revelation 3:20). Which, having gone first to the Father--is the method of His return...not because I said it--but because He did.

In this context ( of which many have and do deny before Him) "seeing" then is in part and spiritual. Have those born again of the spirit of God seen nothing? Many have but do not understand because they have been falsely taught, and many more are completely blind to it. Many are those who say "we have only seen Christ in the flesh, and not as glorious Light."

Regardless of how one perceives it, it is my witness, that "the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it" (John 1:5).

 

[Doug]

"Taste" is a key word here. Meaning, not in full measure regarding "seeing."

But Jesus explained, saying, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" (Revelation 3:20). Which, having gone first to the Father--is the method of His return...not because I said it--but because He did.

In this context ( of which many have and do deny before Him) "seeing" then is in part and spiritual. Have those born again of the spirit of God seen nothing? Many have but do not understand because they have been falsely taught, and many more are completely blind to it. Many are those who say "we have only seen Christ in the flesh, and not as glorious Light."

Regardless of how one perceives it, it is my witness, that "the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it" (John 1:5).

"Taste" is a key word here. Meaning, not in full measure regarding "seeing."

[Heb 2:9 KJV] 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
[Jhn 8:52 KJV] 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

Both verses equate tasting death with literal death

 

[ScottA]

"Taste" is a key word here. Meaning, not in full measure regarding "seeing."

[Heb 2:9 KJV] 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
[Jhn 8:52 KJV] 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

Both verses equate tasting death with literal death

If you prefer the worldly lens and limit of what is and is not literal, fine. Even so, it is God who is "literal", and all the universe including mankind, a mere creation. You have it backwards.