Does the inclusion of the Sabbath prove that the Ten Commandments were for Israel alone?
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God's law is not the same as the law. (the 600+)
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MA2444
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Uh-oh here we go, he's'a gonna take me to task for not doing it right, lol!
I dont go to work on the sabbath. (Ok I'm retired but still)
No housework, no grocery store trips, stay home and watch teaching videos, pray. Stay at home all day. I will cook something to eat, and feed the dog. take the dog out and all that.
Probably not the way orthodox Jewish peple observe it. I saw a video that explained that in Israel on the sabbath they have the Hotel elevators programmed to stop at every floor because they wont even push a button. So if in Israel on the sabbath you just walk up in front of the elevator and wait and eventually the doors open and you stop at every floor up to your room.
I went by Jesus words and keep the sabbath in a reasonable fashion because the Sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath. And I'm cool with that, but I still acknowledge His Lordship on that day. So I may not not be observing it in an orthodox fashion but I am respectful to the Lord and do what my feeble self can.
How did you arrive at that conclusion?
Galatians 3:23-25 N IV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Hebrews 7:12 NIV
12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. ...
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced,
by which we draw near to God.
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quietthinker
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That God is our source of life, the which Jesus gave both now and in eternity. He is the Creator and recreator.
I think the awareness of the Sabbath was never absent from the leaders and linage of folk who were God connected even while the masses were traumatised by their various oppressions.
The injunction to Remember the Sabbath day was not a direction or a command which came out of the blue so to speak. It was a gentle reminder of their origins and the rest which God initiated before any work was done. The 4th Commandment gives the reasons why they are to remember it. They were directed to the creation story.
Here it is from Exodus 20:8 ....The highlighted section in vs 11 being relevant......just so you don't need to look it up.
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Wrangler
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Thanks for your thoughtful and detailed response. It helps me to understand where you are coming from.
The second giving of the TCs is my go-to for a lot of these questions.
Compare.
Deuteronomy 5:12-15 NIV
“Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy,
as the Lord your God has commanded you.
13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God.
On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter,
nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey
or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns,
so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do.
15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that
the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand
and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has
commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
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LOL
Fair enough. Let's look at what he said.
Jesus is deconstructing the law again.
The Pharisees caught Jesus and his disciples in an obvious Sabbath law violation.
Collecting food on the Sabbath was a violation that goes all the way back to the Manna collection in Exodus chapter 16.
Jesus answered:
“Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need?
Thus implicating himself, not just his "companions". (disciples)
Continued answer:
In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread,
which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”
An admission that what David did was unlawful. Jesus is comparing his actions with David.
Conclusion:
“The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
This passage is not a declaration of the Sabbath being for all of humankind. It is a declaration that
the Sabbath is to serve those who observe it, not the other way around. Those who are hungry should
not be left to starve in order to serve the law.
Lifting verse 27 out-of-context is just what I said it was.
"... a popular but misdirected apologetic... that totally misses the point."
Mark 2:23-28 NIV
One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields,
and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain.
24 The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”
25 He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need?
26 In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread,
which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”
27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
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MA2444
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Yep, the sabbath was made for man and so I am at peace about it in my spirit because it's prolly more of a show of respect to God than anything else.
It isnt perfection that Jesus looks for in us. He knows we cant do anything without Him.
He looks at the intentions of our heart and our willingness to obey and to acknowledge Him as God and our Lord.
So I dont even have to learn 600 new laws, lol! Just love God and respect him in my heart.
Thanks.
Here's something to consider.
Our God-given human conscience alerts us to the temptation to sin.
Have you ever felt the Holy Spirit conviction of sin regarding keeping the Sabbath?
I don't mean humans laying a guilt trip on you. But actual Holy Spirit conviction.
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