Does the inclusion of the Sabbath prove that the Ten Commandments were for Israel alone?

[quietthinker]

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Seems to me that the Sabbath points to creation, not the other way around.

There is no evidence of anyone observing the Sabbath until it was introduced in Exodus chapter 16. (Manna collection)

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Adam's first day of existence was one of rest and fellowship with his Creator.
The injunction in the Law is to remember the Sabbath day. One does not remember that was not there to remember.

As to your comment of no evidence of the Sabbath being kept I would say that the Hebrews were instructed to gather twice as much Manna on the 6th day so they would not have to gather on the 7th. The Manna gathered on this day kept in good shape over the Sabbath period whereas they found that gathering more than was needed for one day on other days resulted in it spoiling. This is recorded in Exodus 16 (note v's 4-5. and v's 19-20)

These events occurred before the Law was given in Exodus 20.

a footnote :)
Was adultery not adultery before the law was given at Sinai....or coveting unacceptable? Cain coveted Able's acceptability.....it resulted in murder. Food for thought!

 

[St. SteVen]

Food for thought!

I could answer your post, but you seem a bit agitated.
Our relationship is more important to me than arguing about doctrine.

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[quietthinker]

I could answer your post, but you seem a bit agitated.
Our relationship is more important to me than arguing about doctrine.

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No agitation SS....none at all. In fact, I was hoping for some thoughtful feedback

 

[St. SteVen]

No agitation SS....none at all. In fact, I was hoping for some thoughtful feedback

Fair enough, thanks.

Adam's first day of existence was one of rest and fellowship with his Creator.

Sabbath is one day of rest after six days of work.

In the military, you get your first day off. Off your you-know-what! - LOL

The injunction in the Law is to remember the Sabbath day. One does not remember that was not there to remember.

Remember means to observe. It would be pretty stupid to forget about the Sabbath if you were a regular observer.

As to your comment of no evidence of the Sabbath being kept I would say that the Hebrews were instructed to gather twice as much Manna on the 6th day so they would not have to gather on the 7th. The Manna gathered on this day kept in good shape over the Sabbath period whereas they found that gathering more than was needed for one day on other days resulted in it spoiling. This is recorded in Exodus 16 (note v's 4-5. and v's 19-20)

I'm familiar. That's why I brought it up.

These events occurred before the Law was given in Exodus 20.

True. But how would the Sabbath commandment be understood if it had not been introduced earlier?

"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy."
"The what?" - LOL

a footnote :)
Was adultery not adultery before the law was given at Sinai....or coveting unacceptable? Cain coveted Able's acceptability.....it resulted in murder. Food for thought!

God's law of human conscience was in place. Anything that was wrong before the law was given.

Romans 5:12-14 NIV
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man,
and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given,
but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses,
even over those who did not sin by breaking a command,
as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

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[quietthinker]

"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy."
"The what?" - LOL

It assumes that the Sabbath was an awareness in the Hebrew mind (understanding) though under the rule of Pharaoh for centuries this was violated by force of the Egyptian arm.
The Manna experience after their deliverance was a reminder for them....even embodied in the Law, not as something new but as said, a reminder.....thus the word 'remember'

 

[St. SteVen]

It assumes that the Sabbath was an awareness in the Hebrew mind (understanding) though under the rule of Pharaoh for centuries this was violated by force of the Egyptian arm.
The Manna experience after their deliverance was a reminder for them....even embodied in the Law, not as something new but as said, a reminder.....thus the word 'remember'

The Exodus chapter 16 narrative doesn't seem to support that claim.
The Israelites were in Egypt for 400 years. (10 generations)
Moses made no announcement about returning to (remembering) a previous practice.
The word Sabbath (first mention in the Bible) didn't happen until verse 23.

Exodus 16:4-5 NIV
Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from heaven for you.
The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day.
In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions.
5 On the sixth day they are to prepare what they bring in,
and that is to be twice as much as they gather on the other days.”

Exodus 16:23 NIV
He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded:
‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord.
So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil.
Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’”

Exodus 16:27 NIV
Nevertheless, some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather it, but they found none.

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[quietthinker]

The Exodus chapter 16 narrative doesn't seem to support that claim.
The Israelites were in Egypt for 400 years. (10 generations)
Moses made no announcement about returning to (remembering) a previous practice.
The word Sabbath (first mention in the Bible) didn't happen until verse 23.

Exodus 16:4-5 NIV
Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from heaven for you.
The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day.
In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions.
5 On the sixth day they are to prepare what they bring in,
and that is to be twice as much as they gather on the other days.”

Exodus 16:23 NIV
He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded:
‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord.
So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil.
Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’”

Exodus 16:27 NIV
Nevertheless, some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather it, but they found none.

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what is your point SS?

 

[St. SteVen]

what is your point SS?

You wrote:

It assumes that the Sabbath was an awareness in the Hebrew mind (understanding) though under the rule of Pharaoh for centuries this was violated by force of the Egyptian arm.

My reply:
The Exodus chapter 16 narrative doesn't seem to support that claim.

The word "remember" in the Sabbath commandment has nothing to do with calling it to memory.
The word "remember" in the Sabbath commandment means to observe it faithfully.

Deuteronomy 5:12 NIV
“Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you.

Exodus 20:8 NIV
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

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[quietthinker]

You wrote:

My reply:
The Exodus chapter 16 narrative doesn't seem to support that claim.

The word "remember" in the Sabbath commandment has nothing to do with calling it to memory.
The word "remember" in the Sabbath commandment means to observe it faithfully.

Deuteronomy 5:12 NIV
“Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you.

Exodus 20:8 NIV
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

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So you don't think there is a connection between Ex. 16:23 and God resting, thus adding a day to the 6 day creation week making it 7 in Genesis?

 

[St. SteVen]

So you don't think there is a connection between Ex. 16:23 and God resting, thus adding a day to the 6 day creation week making it 7 in Genesis?

There is a connection.
Moses connected to two when he wrote the Genesis account.
The Sabbath points to creation, not the other way around. See verse 11 below.

Exodus 20:8-11 NIV
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work,
neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them,
but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

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[Wrangler]

To whom was the Sabbath commandment given?

Jesus said the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.

He did not say the sabbath was made for the Israeli’s.

 

[Wick Stick]

- To whom was the Sabbath commandment given?

Exodus 31:13 NIV
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

History: Our use of the seven-day week can be traced back to the Babylonians and the decree of King Sargon I of Akkad around 2300 BCE.

What happens when history comes up with a different answer than the Bible? What happens when that history has empirical evidence backing it?

The week

 

[quietthinker]

There is a connection.
Moses connected to two when he wrote the Genesis account.
The Sabbath points to creation, not the other way around. See verse 11 below.

Exodus 20:8-11 NIV
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work,
neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them,
but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

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Creation and recreation ?

 

[St. SteVen]

Jesus said the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.

He did not say the sabbath was made for the Israeli’s.

I think that totally misses the point.
It is a popular but misdirected apologetic.

Basically, the Sabbath is there to benefit those who observe it.
Not the other way around. We don't serve the Sabbath.
Which is the opposite of your claim.

Mark 2:23-28 NIV
One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields,
and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain.
24 The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”
25 He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need?
26 In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God a
nd ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”
27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

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[St. SteVen]

Creation and recreation ?

Agree.
But again, there is no evidence of anyone observing the Sabbath of Israel until Exodus chapter 16.

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[quietthinker]

Agree.
But again, there is no evidence of anyone observing the Sabbath of Israel until Exodus chapter 16.

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Evidence in text of its observation is here nor there, it doesn't negate its origin, its purpose and the injunction to remember it.

 

[MA2444]

To whom were the Ten Commandments given?

I remember this thread. I clicked on it and I'm listening to a teaching on a similar vein right now, and it gave me this scriputure:

Romans 2:12-15
12 When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law. And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
13 For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight.
14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right..../NLT

I would say that this shows that God has written His law upon our heart. Even when we didnt know God, we had a conscience and everyone has one.

I dont feel an unction to obey all 600 of the rabinnical laws, but I do feel that it is at the very least a small show of repect to the Lord to keep the sabbath. So I do for the most part. It's a small thing for me.

But I'm retired too! Lol! You poor guys who have to go to work tomorrow, lol! Actually, I dont like being retired. I thought it would be cool cuz I've always been the run working for so long. Might be nice I thought! Dont believe it. Being on SS feels like being on welfare or something. It's a constant struggle to get by/ Nevertheless! As I sit in poverty, I grow rich in the Word. And that is significant.

 

[MA2444]

Agree.
But again, there is no evidence of anyone observing the Sabbath of Israel until Exodus chapter 16.

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Well the people needed to be taught that there is a consequence to sin so the law was needed to show them that they needed a savior.

God never changes so no matter when it was implemented for man is irrevelant. God already had it in His heart and is the same today even, so...I bet you one heavenly dollar (or it's equivelent) that the Sabbath is still observed for all in heaven! God doesnt change. As above so below.

Just kidding about the bet, that might not be a good thing to do.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

If anyone rejects the Sabbath you are an Anti-Christ !
I do not care to much for what day it is in regards one, but a day set aside a week is for ones own good, or you are a Slave !
You need that day to reflect etc or you will become a beast of burden ? because you do not serve Christ Jesus in fact if you do not, so how is one to grow ?
Once you have been truly Saved then such is everyday as a Priest. because the Lord is with you and you in him.

The people who reject Sunday are only religious, Sunday is the NT ! but as far as before you are truly born again, then the day does not really matter, because being born again is the real issue, you must be born again ! religion does not cut it.

Israel is the Servants of God ! That means when Jesus went to Heaven all of the worthy Jews knew Jesus was the Christ Jesus ! in fact and it was then that they were Saved ! A New Day had Come ! that's why it's Sunday !

If one rejects Jesus is the Christ Jesus then they are rejecting Sunday in fact, but for they are Lost ! they have another Jesus ? they are not truly Saved in fact !
So a Church that peddles other wise is not worthy of Christ Jesus, but most people are not worthy of Christ Jesus regardless because of corruption with in every Church anyway and that's why we are called to come out from Them ? and Come to serve Christ Jesus only ! for you must be born again to Serve Christ Jesus ! or you are only serving your religion denomination, you Church can not Save your Soul ! only Christ Jesus can do that !

To come of from them, means the coming out from this world, that is Full of Deceptions and Delusions ! Such is the Key problem with the denominations for they are clearly serving such in fact ! but Jesus said that you must be born again ! What was it that Jesus said that Nathaniel would see ? Bingo ! so should you also.

The Church denominations are a Buisness first and they have always failed all through History, just as the Jews History had failed time and time again ! why do they Fail ? Well they fail and turn their backs on God for they did not know Him ! they knew of him only ?

The only way to come to God is through his only begoten Son in fact ! that's the Key in fact, for one who knows the Son has great Faith in fact and is not one of little faith in fact !

Clear diffrence between little faith and the faith that can move mountains in fact !

No one said that little faith is the Key ! such can not move much at all ! but such can fail and be undermined by the weeds of this world tho in fact, but i believe such as little faith can be regained, for such a spark if it has been sown, can always be brought back to life, even if one rejects such for years, given the chance God can do such wonder, that even the most hardened can see the light !

 

[St. SteVen]

Evidence in text of its observation is here nor there, it doesn't negate its origin, its purpose and the injunction to remember it.

That's the question. What is the "origin, its purpose and the injunction to remember it." ?
On that point, we seem to disagree.

Are you claiming the Israelites were to "remember" it after ten generations of neglect in Egypt?

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